Positive The Tapering Supportive/Social Thread

[Squeaky]

I eat rather clean but I still feel miserable . I’m finally getting a few hours of sleep at night but as soon as I wake up my legs can’t stop kicking. It’s crazy to me how everyone in rehab and detox tenancy and livfeels like a champ at 30 days and I feel like I’m barley at mid point . Sometimes I thinks maybe I should just go on sub maintenance and feel somewhat normal and call it a day. I’ve never really been able to make the switch from using to subs but at this point with 30 days I can do it .
does Kratom not keep you in active addiction ? If I was allready willing to take Kratom I might aswell just take subs no?

Main difference with Kratom is you will not get high, and if you overdose it will only make you puke once. Nothing more. You do become dependent on Kratom but it’s really simple to taper off something that tastes like shit and doesn’t get you high. It’s cheap, legal, and no prescription is needed in most places. I have read several people say it stopped their legs shaking and everyone says it helps you sleep(in the right dose)

Suboxone is a life sentence. Medically supervised purgatory. It’s definitely way better than withdrawals but for me it’s not what I want on my tombstone. I don’t want to be 70 years old, dependent on opiates for a few decades, and be stuck in hell because my insurance stopped paying for subs. If there’s ever been a good time to deal with this problem, that time is right now. And wd’s off suboxone last way longer than other opiates.

If you can’t stand it then subs are your best option obviously. I’ll take a lifetime of opiate dependence vs killing myself because I couldn’t stand the wd’s. You have to do what’s best for you and your family. Fuck everything else. If you do make the transition however, the longer you wait the better. Your goal is to be as close to freedom as you can get.

But I promise you.... it does eventually get better. The aches and pains go away. Your mind gets clearer. You have more $$ in the bank and you bathe more frequently. Eventually. And one day you get to look back and be proud of yourself for surviving.

 

[Hippy Flower Fairy]

I've fucked up so bad again on benzos,
I need off them, 50mg vallies and benzos in the day too and slept one hour, my eyes are burning, I should be sleeping it's as if I've took so much it's a paradoxical reaction or just tolerence gone up in weeks since quitting zopiclone, I'm screwed don't want my anxiety, depression,worse insomnia, agoraphobia, and suicidal idiation coming back, what can I do, I'm phoning my doctor about clonadine but she'll say no as I'm not allowed pills because of side effects but I've not tried clonadine, I told them remove zopiclone off my script and flushed the ones I bought to top up my 14 I used to get a month off doctor, they caused me to want to top myself while on them, I'm fucked ain't I can't stay on benzos as I hear they cause depression in the long run too and I obviously need more as tolerence goes up

Does she expect me to have insomnia forever, maybe if I say I asked you to remove the zopiclone I can't sleep let me try clonadine as I read up it helps anxiety and sleep, she don't know I self medicate benzos but I read it even takes edge off benzo withdrawl anyone on here tried it?

 

[papercuts]

I eat rather clean but I still feel miserable . I’m finally getting a few hours of sleep at night but as soon as I wake up my legs can’t stop kicking. It’s crazy to me how everyone in rehab and detox tenancy and livfeels like a champ at 30 days and I feel like I’m barley at mid point . Sometimes I thinks maybe I should just go on sub maintenance and feel somewhat normal and call it a day. I’ve never really been able to make the switch from using to subs but at this point with 30 days I can do it .
does Kratom not keep you in active addiction ? If I was allready willing to take Kratom I might aswell just take subs no?

I'd be miserably unable to get out of my bed without buprenorphine (subs in US), I'm only trying to get off everything else because I have that working away in the background, it would be much harder without and I honestly don't notice it, there is no up and down with a transdermal patch, it's very constant. I've 10mg a week, so it's a low dose.
However I'm happy, getting them for free as I do, to continue sticking a bupe patch on my leg or arm once a week just so I don't have to be any more in wd than I already am, again.
Yes, it keeps you addicted, but it's much better than relapsing into something more harmful. I've still a runny tummy but otherwise it keeps wds at bay after the first couple of weeks.
Clean eating, yes, I eat well too, plenty of veg & water, bake my own bread, nibble lots of chocolate. Oh the smell of canna-butter melting over fresh baked poppyseed bread. It's a good diet, lol.

 

[Painful One]

Hey guys,
Hope everyone is doing alright.
I’m currently in opiate withdrawal hell for 48 more hours.
UGH!!
I need to go smoke some weed.

I had a good laugh at what you said about Kratom @Squeaky
Yes indeed it is pretty easy to get off something that tastes like shit and doesn’t get you high. LMAO!
I just forced down a spoonful of it.

The smoke in my state is so bad from all the fires.
It has made my pain level and brain damaging migraine levels skyrocket.
It just might kill me.
It has been a solid wall of smoke for weeks now.
Looks like I’m on a different planet.

I hate opiate withdrawal

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Hey guys,
Hope everyone is doing alright.
I’m currently in opiate withdrawal hell for 48 more hours.
UGH!!
I need to go smoke some weed.

I had a good laugh at what you said about Kratom @Squeaky
Yes indeed it is pretty easy to get off something that tastes like shit and doesn’t get you high. LMAO!
I just forced down a spoonful of it.

The smoke in my state is so bad from all the fires.
It has made my pain level and brain damaging migraine levels skyrocket.
It just might kill me.
It has been a solid wall of smoke for weeks now.
Looks like I’m on a different planet.

I hate opiate withdrawal

Hey. Sure sorry you have been dealing with the smoke from all the wildfires. West Coast? And to have a migraine to boot. Ugh is right. Double ugh.

Does the kratom help until you can get relief in a couple of days? I hope it does.

 

[Painful One]

Thank you!
yeah, Utah.
All the smoke from California and Oregon, and now our local canyon is a flaming inferno.
It is so bad for migraines.
Not having my morphine is hurting me bad right now.

Kratom does help along with a low dose of loperamide and some gabapentin really does make it bearable
.
The time is just dragging so slow.
I guess that is from pain.

Weed helped.
I’m going to play some Nintendo to try and distract myself.

Stay safe everyone.
love you guys.
over and out.

 

[Hippy Flower Fairy]

I read side effects of clonidine and didn't phone the doctors to ask to try them, as nope not trying those after reading that

 

[trinkiest]

I took 1mg of bupe and I was so fucking ill it was unreal and I have an opioid tolerence as I like my opioids too, and I was addicted to Zapain the at the time for fibromyalgia my mate gave me a box of 100 tried using bupe to come off the Zapain 30mg codeine and 500mg paracetamol about 6 a day, I hardly do them anymore unless it's weak shit 8mg co codamol and 500mg paracetamol, I flushed the rest of the 7mg bupe away

You may have taken the bupe too soon into your withdrawal and initiated precipated withdrawal. Never experienced it but have read horror stories. Glad to hear your doing well...

 

[trinkiest]

I eat rather clean but I still feel miserable . I’m finally getting a few hours of sleep at night but as soon as I wake up my legs can’t stop kicking. It’s crazy to me how everyone in rehab and detox tenancy and livfeels like a champ at 30 days and I feel like I’m barley at mid point . Sometimes I thinks maybe I should just go on sub maintenance and feel somewhat normal and call it a day. I’ve never really been able to make the switch from using to subs but at this point with 30 days I can do it .
does Kratom not keep you in active addiction ? If I was allready willing to take Kratom I might aswell just take subs no?

I've dealt with severe RLS my whole life. Made exponentially worse in WD's. A couple things...

Lyrica.. I know you've read it before. As always, use as sparingly and short term as possible

Kratum...Man. I've used Kratum to help with RLS for a long time and have never felt anything close to WD's when I stop

Really tight compression socks... This one sounds weird, but they truly help. Scientifically, because they create such sensations all down the calf that the RLS signal kinda gets lost in it all. The tighter the better

Best of luck! Keep us posted

I looked this up several times to find out what it means. I can't really find anything to explain it well enough.
^
But that being said I think this might have happened to me when I had tried taking a dose of gabapentin. It seemed to throw me into an instant withdrawal symptom and I then needed to take hydrocodone to wean off of dosing painlessly again.

It seems to make me NEED an opioid more than NOT. Referring to the effect that I feel from gabapentin. Very overwhelming so bad as not to ever WANTING to ever touch a gabapentin again ever. Well and hopefully will not have to.

If it isnt from the precipitated than it is from TOO MUCH might be a guess as well.

That, my friend, is because I spelled it wrong. Seriously my bad. Try "precipated" withdrawal. "Precipitated withdrawal" might mean it's raining...

Sorry

 

[trinkiest]

Hey. Sure sorry you have been dealing with the smoke from all the wildfires. West Coast? And to have a migraine to boot. Ugh is right. Double ugh.

Does the kratom help until you can get relief in a couple of days? I hope it does.

Painful One...
Yes Kratum is horrific in flavor. Until I found a cool little head-shop that sells good Kratum already in capsule form, I'd get the powder and put it them myself. Only way to get that shit down

 

[Painful One]

Painful One...
Yes Kratum is horrific in flavor. Until I found a cool little head-shop that sells good Kratum already in capsule form, I'd get the powder and put it them myself. Only way to get that shit down

Thank you.
I have some empty capsules that I could fill with Kratom, but I feel so bad it Is too much effort.
I need to fill a bunch of them after I get feeling better for emergency use.
I’m going to build me a withdrawal emergency kit after this.
This sucks!

 

[n3ophy7e]

I read side effects of clonidine and didn't phone the doctors to ask to try them, as nope not trying those after reading that

Really?? Like what? I've taken it many times and find it very tolerable.

 

[Hippy Flower Fairy]

You may have taken the bupe too soon into your withdrawal and initiated precipated withdrawal

Someone said that on my old profile actually

 

[Squeaky]

PainfulOne and I both said this a few pages back, but it needs to be said again:
Loperamide works like magic for opioid withdrawals and Kratom is also really great BUT they both will significantly raise your tolerance for all opiates. I have taken as much as 150 mg per day of loperamide and I was fine but more than a week is a mistake. I’m up to about 30 grams per day of Kratom (5 grams every 3-4 hours). Doesn’t matter which I use..... even after a month without oxy or any other opiate (only using lope or Kratom), it takes at least 90 mg at a time of my oxy to have even a slight effect. I have tapered down to 5mg per day of oxy and my tolerance dropped way down to where 30 mg in one shot would put me into a very happy place. Since using Kratom daily, oxy is a huge waste of money. Kind of like using antibuse for alcohol dependence.

It’s another benefit to using Kratom for wd’s IF your plan is to quit. Unfortunately it has stolen my ‘entertainment’ that I used to get from my prescription and I no longer remember it ‘fondly’

 

[Hippy Flower Fairy]

Really?? Like what? I've taken it many times and find it very tolerable

I don't even want too Google it to help me remember them all there's that many, as it was to scary to want to read it again and I get side effects from everything so yeah not trying it

 

[Squeaky]

What I see now that I should have done, with benzos and later with opiates, was to plan at least a week of life sucking really bad while I got through the acute withdrawals. Take some vacation at work and tell everyone I’m just really sick. Plan on up to a month of misery. Instead I tried to do it without affecting my day to day life.
I ran out of vacation one day at a time, burned out my family, and just kept going back to my prescription every month and starting over. This cannot be done without a solid plan. It’s like having cancer-everything else goes on hold until it’s under control. And once I was through the first week or two of withdrawals I should have just kept going with quitting. I’m finally at that place now where my life feels a lot less hopeless, but it’s been 3 months. No quick fix to freedom.

 

[Hippy Flower Fairy]

What I see now that I should have done, with benzos and later with opiates, was to plan at least a week of life sucking really bad while I got through the acute withdrawals

Its the PAWS I struggle with, first anxiety insomnia, depression, can't eat, can't leave my house for weeks, and PAWS then sticks around and I end up back on them

 

[Shady's Fox]

Thank you.
I have some empty capsules that I could fill with Kratom, but I feel so bad it Is too much effort.
I need to fill a bunch of them after I get feeling better for emergency use.
I’m going to build me a withdrawal emergency kit after this.
This sucks!

So amazing you still have your chin up, you need to. You're I think, in my history around this community // one of the most strongest personality i've ever seen, you're like a wine, as older as better. What you're using rn?

 

[n3ophy7e]

I don't even want too Google it to help me remember them all there's that many, as it was to scary to want to read it again and I get side effects from everything so yeah not trying it

Are we sure we're talking about the same thing?? I don't really get any side effects from it, except it helps me sleep, reduces my anxiety and reduces my nightmares. Sometimes when I've taken it I get dizzy for like 5 seconds when I stand up but that's not all the time. Oh and a slightly dry mouth, but I just sip water.

 

[Hippy Flower Fairy]

Are we sure we're talking about the same thing

Google clonadine side effects, Google more than one site too as not all sites have all the correct lists

Do you take it daily?