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I used to take baclofen at 100 - 200mg doses in opiate withdrawal. It is one of the few sedatives that I will use other than benzos. I wish I still had some, bet it would help benzo withdrawals a lot. It's addictive on its own though and I'm happy enough to have not taken it in a while. I wouldn't now, after those ridiculous doses combined with other sedatives. I sound like a lunatic. Back when I was trying to ward off dope sickness and really you just can't.
 
I found this article and had to post it for you guys to see. They are actually telling others that we who require opioids- you know, us "addicts" are murdering people. "murderous opioid addicts". As if we are not treated badly enough. I found this response to the bullshit and thought you all might appreciate it.

OpioidsKillsPeople


Why can't you people be honest. It is the drug fentanyl that is laced in their drugs not properly prescribed medications.

This is yet another Social Experiment by the demented people who call themselves our leadrs.

Opioid Use in the USA
I believe we have proof of reincarnation. (sarcasm) of C2C AM's guest Dr. William Morrone who was pushing his 2 books, “American Narcan 1 & 2”, a smear job about the RURAL WHITES in the USA overusing the opioid medications.

He droned on and on about the Rural Whites over and over, insinuating that we are a scourge. Now folks, he is making money, a monetary venture, and a profitable one tearing down Doctors who prescribe these medications and patients who so dearly need them. His mantra is that there is an opioid crisis in America. Part and parcel of the ongoing war on whites.

Let’s review, we have vehicles made out of plastic and tin cans, aluminum frames and bracing, unlike the land yachts of the late 50’s and 60’s. Those were built big, heavy and well reinforced.

Couple this with the increase in the speed limits around the country, the mass number of 18 wheelers traveling to deliver the needs of the citizens and we have a prescription for a lot of hurt people. The numbers don’t lie, we have a lot of very injured people, people in severe pain, pain so deep that you simply can’t function without something to take the edge off just enough that you can maintain.

This maniacal man and others like him are pushing for all they are worth to cut off all opioids and to deny people any relief from their pain.

This is such an evil agenda, do any of these people realize or care that in all probability there will be such a mass number of suicides that the over-population problem in the USA will be resolved within 2 years-time.

People simply have such serious injuries and in so much crushing pain, that if the medication weren't taken, I don’t think they can live and endure this constant soul crushing pain.

Folks, let’s follow the money trail, they are pushing for a NEW DEVICE, a for profit NEW device that allegedly rewires the brain, to trick you into thinking that you no longer have pain. Degenerative pain, pain because of injury or disease pain. The devices that he is pushing are called P-Stim and Alpha-Stim, these are some new-fangled electro-stimulation devices that can allegedly help to re-wire the brain. It does nothing for the cause of the pain, the injury or disease is still present, they simply want you to pretend that it doesn’t.

Greedy fucking money changers hard at work once again. They seemed to relish in the fact that many people right now are overdosing because their doctors have denied them the pain medications that they need to simply live.

So, they already know the end game. Suicide either intentionally or from stupidity in trusting drug dealers on the streets as you seek relief from your crushing pain. Those claiming that the overdoses are from prescribed medications when in fact it is from heroin and fentanyl that has been laced with a product called. CHINESE IMPORTED fentanyl products. A micro dot of this fentanyl is all it takes to kill a person, and the stupid street pushers are putting too much into their heroin. Again, if the doctors prescribe the needed medications, this problem would go away for the most part.

And, did I mention the person I think this guy was in his last incarnation. A man very much like this one, self-serving money grubbing and evil to the core. None other than a single FBI agent - Harry J. Anslinger.

Some background. The FBI was created in order to fight the U.S.A.'s previous war on drugs - the prohibition of alcohol - and when "prohibition" ended many assumed that the FBI would be disbanded. Faced with the possibility of having to find another job, agent Anslinger decided to whip up a drug scare, and he chose cannabis. The horror stories he told about this herb were completely fictitious and almost entirely racist. As part of his propaganda campaign he deliberately eschewed the English word hemp, the botanical term cannabis (from which we get canvas) and the users' word: muggles.

The word he chose was an obscure Mexican slang term (derived from Maria Juana "Mary Jane", originally a brand of cheap cigarettes) in order to exploit the xenophobia of the public. Anslinger succeeded in making marijuana illegal by convincing the public that the plant would render decent white women susceptible to seduction by black men!

This poisonous claptrap was widely accepted and even made it across the pond to Britain where it formed the main theme of a book called "Indian Hemp, a Social Menace" (1956).
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I find it hilarious when I see a documentary about someone who has cancer or some other soul crushing disease that sickens an entire family, and that persons father or grandfather happens to be a cop or judge who used to throw people in jail for pot. Now their loved one uses pot illegally because it is the only thing that works and this law enforcement person is confronted with the reality that it is not a dangerous drug. Not they suffer as they watch someone they care about unable to obtain relief from something that grows naturally because of bullshit laws that they enforced blindly, often with attitude.
I dont laugh at the person who is ill, or those who love them. Only at he who was a cop and now is begging for new laws to legalize pot. I dont use it myself, but I have always felt it should be legal. I love the irony.
 
Yeah, so ironic!

They are the "Moral Judges" until they themselves are suffering soul crushing pain!

The article on us "Murderous opiate addicts" was beyond retardation. I couldn't even read it all.
As if we have the energy to murder someone even if we wanted to. Lol!

My family has taken this "murderous opiate addict" article to heart and are now petrified of me.

Yeah, Christmas did not go well! To say the least.
 
Pain sufferers: tell your story on dontpunishpainrally.com, and support the rally on January 29th.
 
They are the "Moral Judges" until they themselves are suffering soul crushing pain!

The article on us "Murderous opiate addicts" was beyond retardation. I couldn't even read it all.
As if we have the energy to murder someone even if we wanted to. Lol!

My family has taken this "murderous opiate addict" article to heart and are now petrified of me.

It's "Reefer Madness" all over again. Back in the 50s/60s, most people believed that smoking weed would turn you into a crazed serial rapist who might just randomly decide to murder your entire family. Propaganda is a powerful thing.
 
It's "Reefer Madness" all over again. Back in the 50s/60s, most people believed that smoking weed would turn you into a crazed serial rapist who might just randomly decide to murder your entire family. Propaganda is a powerful thing.

Good Lord!
I tell you guys, I don't know how much more I can take.
I would just like to euthanized.
I'm not prescribed enough pain medication to keep me comfortable anymore.
It's not enough after 12 years on the same low dosage.
 
I sent you a message up the pages PO.

Your holidays mirrored mine, I am still sad over it. Sorry that happens to us.

I found a spine health forum for people with chronic pain.

There's also a war on opioids forum there with good people speaking out. I'm linking you to it PO go check it out.

Hang in there, you and I are in the same boat, I hope it turns around for us pain patients soon.

Hugs,
Ash.

https://www.spine-health.com/forum/categories/war-on-opioids



Good Lord!
I tell you guys, I don't know how much more I can take.
I would just like to euthanized.
I'm not prescribed enough pain medication to keep me comfortable anymore.
It's not enough after 12 years on the same low dosage.
 
I went to that pain rally site. It sickened me that almost every single person that shared their "story" were anonymous. All anonymous. Not only are people afraid to be denied the very pain relief that keeps them functional, but they are also afraid to speak out, good lord help us.



Pain sufferers: tell your story on dontpunishpainrally.com, and support the rally on January 29th.
 
"Things are coming around slowly"- excellent. Nice job D.J.

I am glad that I have never liked alcohol at all. It makes me feel like absolute shit!
My body rejects it with a violent passion. Lol!
I have heard alcohol withdrawal is the ultimate worst withdrawal so be very careful my brother.
I sure don't want you to endure that! No way!!

I wish I knew how to help with the bi-polar thing. I know that is so awful for you guys.
My cousin has that and it just hurts my heart so bad and I have no idea how to help.

Wow! On the story about your buddy getting robbed for benzo's and the people who did it ending up loosing their minds and in institutes, trying to suicide themselves and jail. Sounds like it was a blessing for your buddy to be honest. Money is worthless really.
It cannot even compare to your health and well being.

I was the most miserable in my life the times where I was very rich. I remember thinking- " how could I have this much money and be so miserable, I could do anything, go anywhere." Money is not wealth!

Be well D.J. Keep on working towards being/staying stable. It will come.
❤️
There's nothing anyone can do for bipolar. It's either deal with the symptoms or take drugs that may or may not destroy your kidneys, rot your liver, cause your skin to fall off, so on and so forth.

I've decided that I don't want to risk my organs shutting down so I just deal with the mental symptoms (poorly). It's torture but it is what it is. I'm a broken man. The years of cocaine abuse didn't help.

To be honest I was happier when I was working like a dog, making loads of money, and doing loads of drugs (mostly heroin and cocaine). At least I thought I was.

For me being rich made me happy, either directly or by proxy through living lavishly and using top shelf drugs lol.
 
Hello friends - Painful One, Squeaky, Shroomy, Dopiejay et al.
I continue to try to taper from a 1000 ml (36 oz) vodka habit that I developed over the past year after I couldn't sleep on day 17 after tapering opioids in Jan 2018. I refuse to go to detox and be treated like a farm animal! I have been searching for at home alcohol tapering methods so I don't get seizures. My dad died from DTs so it does scare me.
Squeaky, my brother, I found an old thread from you on Baclofen and that has helped me to get down to a 300 ml (10 oz) vodka habit a day! But I can't get any more Baclofen - I had about 20 pills (10 mg). I am so grateful for that post!
I pray for all of us, that we may find peace. Living on The Dark Side sucks!
-SweetLeaf7
I would suggest going to the doctor and trying to be put on Valium. But be very careful with that fucking dirt. If you get it just start at a high dose to keep alcohol withdrawal at bay and taper off as fast as possible. I'm in the same boat with my whiskey and gin. I can drink all day long and never seem to actually get drunk like I want to anymore. I'll get sick, ill black out, I'll pass out, but I don't remember what truly being drunk feels like.
 
Holy shit painful one and ash, you guys are actually being prescribed an opioid?!

Round here when the doctors here "pain" they immediately look at you like you're shit underneath their boot.

I only get 10-30mg of oxy once a week or so from a buddy, and pay a fortune for it. When he can actually get it that is.

Right now my busted foot and my back and legs are hurting so bad I can't get outta bed.
 
I sent you a message up the pages PO.

Your holidays mirrored mine, I am still sad over it. Sorry that happens to us.

I found a spine health forum for people with chronic pain.

There's also a war on opioids forum there with good people speaking out. I'm linking you to it PO go check it out.

Hang in there, you and I are in the same boat, I hope it turns around for us pain patients soon.

Hugs,
Ash.

https://www.spine-health.com/forum/categories/war-on-opioids

Thank you Ash. Very, very much.

I am so sorry this family nonsense happens to you also. I knew it was too good to be true that I had made it through Christmas Eve with them. I was so careful to be on my best behavior but nope, I did/said something that has totally been taken the wrong way.
I was joking around. My family has got no sense of humor at all! I can't stand the tension and always break and make a joke to lighten up the situation. Always held against me.

Thanks for the link. I will check it out. That makes me sad to hear that every story is signed "anonymous".
Fuck it! I am signing my name in capitals and putting my address. There is nothing more they can do to me.
I won't endure being ripped off my medication if that is what it gets me.

I won't stand by knowing how others are suffering and are going to suffer and do nothing!

I have already endured every organ in my body failing due to Tylenol poisoning!
(The safe number one choice of hospitals everywhere! - what a load of shit that one is!)

I saw your message and I didn't accept them when I had the chance because I knew my mom would go and tell the rest of them and
God only knows what they would try and pull on me.

Now I think I fucked myself over by showing up seven days early needing a refill and my doctor is already mad at me.
I'm just going to tell him I am requesting humane euthanasia when I see him in a week.

Love you Ash.
 
Shroomy,

I am thinking of you and hoping you are ok. Please give an update when you can, I'd like to know that you're ok.

Much love,
your friend,
Ash.
 
Shroomy,

I am thinking of you and hoping you are ok. Please give an update when you can, I'd like to know that you're ok.

Much love,
your friend,
Ash.

Yeah!

Where you at? Sleeping or the doctor I expect!

Please check in when you can.
 
Hey you two, thanks for checking in. At least a couple of friends give a fuck. Painful One ganging up on someone is the worst thing you can do. It's what Courtney Love did to Kurt Cobain and he killed himself. If I am forced into anything I don't want to do, suicide is the backup plan 100%. I have pretty much been staring at the ceiling all day. I still haven't really slept, and my doctors appointments are scheduled within the week but I have to wait for them. That is a good thing because that withdrawal has left me feeling half human. One of them is tomorrow and I'm so spaced out like if I don't even appear functional they are just going to say rehab and my friend and I found several sound articles advising people why they should NOT go to any sort of rehab or medical detox for benzo abuse this relentless. I can't go 6 hours without the shit.

I can't take it anymore Ash I'm not okay. I'm not. I can't tell anyone either I'm suffocated by health care. They cannot health me and I know it. My habit over 6 years got way too out of control and there is no coming back. I am coming to terms with ruining my life, and trying to read a book on Jesus as I find it highly insightful.

What concerns me is that I feel so burnt out and messed up, I am so fed up of every, that I am no longer trying. Which in this situation is a very dangerous energy to have going on. However my xanax dealer is back anyway if I decide all I want is a fix out of life. These withdrawals do not seem to be worth the effort at this point. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. I can still probably live a reasonable quality of life, but, not, I am not okay. I think of tying up a noose very seriously every day. And these are not those ideations or ideas or whatever these are like should I cook lunch or should I fucking tie up the rope because why continue to suffer when there is no end in sight and it has been 2 whole years of this! YEARS.

I thought my bro was in 2nd year he's about to graduate a 5 year program. My sis owns a house and is a little younger I had no idea. I want it to end. The extreme, relentless, brutal suffering will disperse itself to those who give a fuck and I apologize for that but it will be orders of magnitudes less than what I am experiencing right now, there is simply no way out when high dose long term benzo use is involved, and I don't care enough to try because I'm too busy having just realized my bar dealer is around and I'm already sick of etizolam. It isn't numbing enough and is hard to be stable on. I want to go back to the xanax I will feel better. I change my mind every 2min cause I have BPD but it's the right choice for sure this shit already isn't working all that well I feel spaced out.

I just want it to end. I'm not down for benzodiazepine withdrawal from 12 bars a day unfortunately. With my pre-existing extreme anxiety issues I would end up brutally hanging myself and I could pop 20 bars and kick the chair over when they start to hit.
 
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ShroomySatori,
I am NOT ganging up on you! No way! That is your other friends that are doing that.

I know exactly how you feel my friend. I don't think you should come off benzo's. Not at this point. I am with you.
I am only saying you need to go to the lady Doctor you trust and get prescription clonazepam. As that is long acting and will help make you feel a lot better! Stable even. Instead of getting laced street dealer Xanax.

I'm not thinking you need to detox. I keep telling you to take enough to remain stable. I think your doctor would help you with this.
I in NO WAY want you tortured in a psych ward at the hospital my brother. I want to make that clear to you.
 
I pm'd you.


Hey you two, thanks for checking in. At least a couple of friends give a fuck. Painful One ganging up on someone is the worst thing you can do. It's what Courtney Love did to Kurt Cobain and he killed himself. If I am forced into anything I don't want to do, suicide is the backup plan 100%. I have pretty much been staring at the ceiling all day. I still haven't really slept, and my doctors appointments are scheduled within the week but I have to wait for them. That is a good thing because that withdrawal has left me feeling half human. One of them is tomorrow and I'm so spaced out like if I don't even appear functional they are just going to say rehab and my friend and I found several sound articles advising people why they should NOT go to any sort of rehab or medical detox for benzo abuse this relentless. I can't go 6 hours without the shit.

I can't take it anymore Ash I'm not okay. I'm not. I can't tell anyone either I'm suffocated by health care. They cannot health me and I know it. My habit over 6 years got way too out of control and there is no coming back. I am coming to terms with ruining my life, and trying to read a book on Jesus as I find it highly insightful.

What concerns me is that I feel so burnt out and messed up, I am so fed up of every, that I am no longer trying. Which in this situation is a very dangerous energy to have going on. However my xanax dealer is back anyway if I decide all I want is a fix out of life. These withdrawals do not seem to be worth the effort at this point. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. I can still probably live a reasonable quality of life, but, not, I am not okay. I think of tying up a noose very seriously every day. And these are not those ideations or ideas or whatever these are like should I cook lunch or should I fucking tie up the rope because why continue to suffer when there is no end in sight and it has been 2 whole years of this! YEARS.

I thought my bro was in 2nd year he's about to graduate a 5 year program. My sis owns a house and is a little younger I had no idea. I want it to end. The extreme, relentless, brutal suffering will disperse itself to those who give a fuck and I apologize for that but it will be orders of magnitudes less than what I am experiencing right now, there is simply no way out when high dose long term benzo use is involved, and I don't care enough to try because I'm too busy having just realized my bar dealer is around and I'm already sick of etizolam. It isn't numbing enough and is hard to be stable on. I want to go back to the xanax I will feel better. I change my mind every 2min cause I have BPD but it's the right choice for sure this shit already isn't working all that well I feel spaced out.

I just want it to end. I'm not down for benzodiazepine withdrawal from 12 bars a day unfortunately. With my pre-existing extreme anxiety issues I would end up brutally hanging myself and I could pop 20 bars and kick the chair over when they start to hit.
 
Thanks and I cannot deny the risks but feel okay today. I should be proceeding with more effort. The foundations of my whole entire life are falling from beneath me. At this point a part of me knows I am fucked and wants it to be over. It is really hard to find good professional help for this here and I keep fucking up and being too sick to make appointments. I didn't go back to normal when I reinstated. I am still recovering from that brutal torture and that is why I am ignoring responsibilities it totally sucks. I am watching my life be destroyed piece by piece and feel powerless to stop it from happening at this point. There is a point of no return and this time I really did it. Really was a brat this time.
 
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