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I gave in today and too some Loperamide to supplement my tiny doses of oxy. I think I took too much and now Im feeling pretty crappy. The day is dragging and my body just hurts.
I always stress before Drs appts and I have two this week.
I?ll have my refill of oxy on Friday hopefully.
Saturday will be a better day but right now every day just feels like a waste, like I get a day older but I have achieved nothing.
I really miss alcohol. I was the man when I was drinking. When this whole pill situation gets done I swear I?m going back to boozing.
 
Today is Day 73 off opiates. The Withdrawal. The End-of-it-All. Not strung out waiting for a relapse, or waiting for my next prescriptions. Total cancellation of physiological neurochemical pain management processes and renewal with a newfound psycho-spiritual plan. I just smoke dope now and etizolam is an excellent muscle relaxer. It really is a good medication for the kinds of anxiety I have; anxiety dose not impact my life anywhere near as much when I am using it.

I'm not counting the days with the benzos because I can't remember. My memory is fried during this. I know that peak withdrawals started yesterday and will go on until at least the weekend. Once I have stabilized on a benzo dosing schedule, that is the first step. Then I can stay there, as the dose I chose is affordable. The cut was about 50%, it's hard to say but I wanted to drop hard at first. The interdose withdrawals get really nasty in the evenings and night. So, I "cheated" a bit and took 20mg valium because it builds up in the system anyway and once I run out I'll be a few days away from a refill. Then I passed right out. Etizolam lowers regular benzo tolerance if it's the only one that one uses and honestly this hasn't been that bad. I lost some weight, I'm worse for wear. But if I can stabilize in a week or even 10 days, I am doing myself so much good by getting there just have to keep it up. I went out last evening to run an errand because I needed to at the peak withdrawal for the day.

I start work soon. It isn't much though, it will be gradually more hours. If I am on a benzo schedule by then I will be in a way better place, otherwise I'm going to do addictive type stuff like dose before leaving for yoga or my job or wherever. Also, I will be very very lucky as I don't really know what I'm doing and if I don't have a seizure then in my view that is a blessing. If i was going to have one anytime soon, it would be in the coming days. Once I am comfortable that I am not going to die, then I can start going to yoga again even if I am feeling extremely anxious. I can function socially and seem chill with extreme anxiety, I'm getting there. I'm stronger now. This hasn't been tough yet I'm really crossing my fingers here. If I got out last night for an hour or little longer while in interdose withdrawal, that is a good sign. I don't want to become agoraphobic, and I was.
 
Are you able to get a long-acting benzo? Usually people recommend a long-acting benzo for tapering because you can dose less often and there is much less up and down between doses. From what I hear it's notoriously difficult with short benzos like etizolam or xanax.
 
Keep a journal/log of the time you dose and the quantity you take. It makes tapering a bit more bearable. I have tapered short acting benzos with the same medicine, you just have to be REALLY anal about taking your doses 12 hours apart etc. The interdose anxiety is annoying, I usually just did chores or exercised inbetween doses. I personally would only make 25% cuts on your doses. I take 20mg valium and when I taper off for tolerance reasons, I just take 5mg in the morning, and 10mg at night to sleep as the night dose would carry over into most of the morning.

CONGRATS on 73 days off opiates, it definitely is a beast to kick.
 
May be off the subject but hope i can find an answer. I tried kicking dope. It was 15 hours since my last use and the only withdraws were that i was feeling hot. Any thoughts on this? I only ask because ive been through withdraws after about 9 hours and had the rappid heart rate, vomiting, etc... But this is different and i don't want to take subs too soon just because i waited 24 hours.
 
Yea i understand that but my concern is why is it taking so long to feel any serious signs of withdrawal. The stuff cant be that potent can it, or could it have been cut with something for it to last that long. I don't mean to sound dumb, im just not that experienced.
 
That is a confusing question to answer, it is street drugs. ^That is your answer though, wait until you are sick, and then some. There could be many reasons for why your wd's are not kicking in for so long. In my opinion if you are not that experienced as you say, then you probably are not in too deep yet to be getting sick far too fast and might have lucked out this time. As the habit progresses, onset time increases, peak time decreases, dose exponentiates, and time to withdrawal onset drastically hastens. There are so many factors, particularly personal history with opiates and individual reactions, etc. I assume you are talking about H if it was a pill from a pharmacy there still wouldn't be an answer. Ride the withdrawal out, don't take a sub if you are in mild withdrawal. You have to be in severe withdrawal as you know.

As for myself, I am a day shy of 11 weeks without opiates. I am in no rush to taper off benzos but that is how I would do it. There is too much in my life going on right now that is not just denial talking. I am starting a new job soon I have to prepare myself for which will take at least a couple days. I am potentially starting a second job and actually it could be great too. Then with the yoga classes of my preference I am trying to construct a schedule. One job pays a hell of a lot per hour and they seem to be giving me plenty of hours even the first week for part time. I have no time whatsoever in life to think about opiates. I can see that completely changing once I have money to spend, though. That will change everything and make it harder to keep clean. For now I'm just trying to keep myself out of seizure territory. I'm on a stable dose of etizolam, will switch to a long acting benzo later this year I do still take 10mg diazepam a day though to ease out the interdose / make sure I don't die. The derealization or whatever of benzo withdrawal was not a good feeling. Felt like I was in a dream and disconnected from everything and for the last couple hours not much more than a zombie waiting for a chemical. I'm not quitting those though, I mean, I wouldn't even be able to tell anymore if I was doing any better or not off opiates. It's best for me at this unstable time of my life not to fuck with the benzos any more than I alreay have, find that stable dose and then make damn sure it doesn't increase.

Since using all that xanax I've noticed memory problems. Like serious ones. It is probably paws from opiates too, though, or altogether. They seem to be going away but like I couldn't remember what I did the day before unless I thought really hard about it. Not good. Fuck xanax, etizolam is a way better med for panic disorder. Wonder why they don't script it. I like valium. I like ativan a lot. I really like bromazepam too. I don't like klonopin so much, or xanax, or etizolam so much as the others. Any of the three would be much better for tapering than etizolam. really it is only holding me over for the time being while I get my life on track.

Cooked a pasta with fresh and organic garlic, ginger, turmeric, kale, dill, parsley, mushrooms, the yummy Italian parmesan that I can afford since I didn't get any meat, got a massive half-key block of the stuff. That cheese has almost double the amount of L-tryptopah as cheddar, the precursor to serotonin, that is. Anyways it is the cheese with the highest l-tryptophan amount per serving. That stuff makes me sleepy in supplement form it's nice but I'd rather whole foods. The Mdma I took over a month ago without a doubt fried a part of my brain away so I should definitely be consuming foods rich in tryptophan these days. I am crazy about that hard parmesan haha. I am most def a cheese fiend, I was going to get blue cheese but then I'd just miss red meat and have less parmesan.

Also, a red hot habanero pepper, and black pepper for the curcumin absorption from the fresh orangey turmeric pieces. I was going to get meat but organic meat is ridiculously expensive, I do like to have it sometimes but I'd rather that block of parmesan for my pastas. It is so good and all that stuff with a little rotini is really healthy. I get citrus fruits, and pineapple since pineapple has anti-inflammatory effects and helps with workout recovery I mostly eat that for fruit. Grapefruit too, to throw a wildcard in with those prescription drugs and research chems interactions. Nah... I just love grapefruit. Turmeric is powerful I'd really give it an honest try for pain, I think there is a hot beverage that's easy tp prepare from it. Then all those leafy greens, got basil too. I'll have a garden again soon. That parmesan made that pasta. I wouldn't have been able to eat all those fresh herbs spices and veggies without it. Maybe if I can get two jobs going I could afford to toss some pine nuts in there too and get an even bigger chunk of Italian direct parmesan. Maybe a few kilos of the stuff. That habanero was crazy had me in sweats.

Always in a cheerful mood when there are healthy foods around. Didn't even really cost that much. I'd def grab a little more organic beef liver in a few weeks though. It's potent in nutrients to the point you can only have a small portion. Loved the stuff, but then again it takes away from that parmesan.
 
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I'm doing 2mg bupe 4times a day for 2years.how bad is wd and paws going to be?as bad as they say even tho it's 2mg but 4times a day.please answer
 
Long history of use probably a prolonged paws. My buddy hooked on fent who went on subs said 9 months off them he could still feel irritating stuff reminding him of wd's. I am a week away from 3 months off oxy's and still feel like shit most of the time. Extreme anxiety, derealization, depression / burnout... and I still get physical symptoms on some days too like the aching upper arms and restless legs almost daily. My back pain fluctuates a lot but is generally severe and something I have to accept and ignore or waste my life away. I am nowhere near recovered. Cravings are not a problem until I take a single dose. So I haven't been having them as I haven't used in nearly 3 months. I think my memory problems have a lot to do with withdrawal / opiate paws? Because I've always been on benzos, and I remember that it's always so hard to remember just how horrible the acute fucking suicidal first 3 weeks to a month were. So I think that I am getting over some memory problems directly related to opiate withdrawal, but can't be certain. I strongly suspect based on how many times I've been through it. So much harm is done to the body with chronic relapsing, and there is no real answer to your question it is too person-dependent and could be better or worse than you suspect. Almost everyone finds it worse than anticipated I'd say. For myself anyway, it is sheer hell. Like burning on the stake alive for 2 weeks at least but without ever dying just wanting to pleading to and I am not even really exagerrating at all.
 
Dan- maybe you will be lucky this time through and your wds will be mild. (Sone lucky bastards have no wds at all!) If so then put away the subs and muscle through it. If not then hold onto the subs until you cant bear it anymore , then take only what you need to survive.
Opiate wd is worst around 72-96 hours. Usually day 7 you start feeling human again.
Make sure you have something for sleep. Insomnia will make anybody give up.
 
Tony Starks- is your bupe prescribed? If so then it should be easily tapered over a very long time with very liveable wds.
Are you getting high at all? Bupe is supposed to be used to help folks get off opiates because it has a shallow ceiling of positive opioid effects. If youre not catching a buzz then just start cutting your doses in half every two weeks. If that?s too much then make it a drop of 25% every 2-4 weeks . If you feel extra crappy you can take an extra 1/2 dose occasionally.
If you plan to quit cold turkey then plan for the worst and prey for the best. Pay your bills, stock the refrigerator, and plan to be sick for about 10 days. Maybe you will get lucky and withdrawls will be mild.
As for PAWS..... everyone is different. You have been on this stuff for a long time. My guess is you can expect some kind of PAWS for a year or two, but bupe was designed with quitting in mind.
 
I'd say it is getting to the point where I have ruined my life and there is nothing left for me here. I had solid potential, fried myself though and not even when I was young. Much later in life when more well developed. It is a painful loss of potential. Wish I would have accomplished something I wanted to.
 
Shroomy.that's how I feel.my brain is rewired.I've stopped bupe for 3months b4 cause I was in jail for that long after 1year 3months of taking.I felt no physical wds only my brain was in a fog and felt like I couldn't hold convo for more than he and wanted to go to sleep.only coffee helped.I thought 2mg was better than 8mg as far as when ready to jump off but I take it 4times a day instead of 8mg once.is that worse.I work full time can't afford days off like that.I feel I can't function mentally with out it.maybe get on adderall during day to not feel like shit for 3month or year th3n see if the wd past.
 
I imagine how torturing it must be to come off or bupe suddenly, same with methadone, it seems insane as it can make one goes into all sort of serious consequences. I have heard of people who were forced to quit years and years of methadone just like that from 80-100 mg a day to nothing. That's crazy. Cruel actually. You know this well enough to understand these meds keep running into our system for days and it's totally wrong not to consider the consequences, even when we think about them in a long term.

I understand that prison is prison and that's not a piece of cake, but if they help people with insulin, for example this is also a medical issue IMHO.
 
I got my script yesterday. So much for my taper....... Took 75 mg today. I had been down to 30.
Oh well.
 
Try using edibles during this time. When I was quitting benzos and heroin at the same time I made so much weed milk and bought so many of those 1000mg brownies....
 
Today has been great. Last night, awful, only slept one hour from 6 to 7am before getting woke up when I finally found some brown crumbs of herb in an old ash vat to sift through and smoke. Way better than resin, which was also smoked. Gross. I can't sleep without the ganj when I'm on it all the time until I stop for a bit. So I ended up with a little over 2 grams of blueberry x sour diesel and I haven't smoked it yet because over 3 hours later I am still feeling that small bong toke of pink kush - which I saved for before a meeting today, wouldn't smoke it last night. I don't want to be dependent on a sacred herb to sleep at night, and I totally am. It has repressed my REM cycle too and I can't wait to start having wild dreams and nightmares again. Mostly nightmares, and then dreams about doing drugs and partying. This herb I've been getting is amazing and I'm not paying much more than from the dude who had worse weed and didn't have opening hours. I like having the stability and being able to buy .5 grams with change if I need it to hold me over. Anyways, super excited to try that strain. They have these sweet tasting tropical lil-fruity hybrid colas there that are quite dank. I alternate between those if they look strong enough and the kushes that actually smell amazing and not overly earthy.

The weed helps everything in general it is like a tonic for depression, anxiety, and pain but is also sacred. It has to be respected, I shouldn't need it to fall asleep at night and really I do so cutting back I've noticed that even though the sleeping is poor quality, I am beginning to dream again. I can sense that I was having a vivid dream, but couldn't make out the details yet. Soon from past experience I know that my dreams will be ridiculous and it's my favourite part of cutting back. 11 weeks today, I shouldn't need all that much weed for appetite and to keep me chill. I mostly prefer to use the herb in heavy hits but spread out by several hours, as I find it works best as an antidepressant that way. There was a study done that showed a lot of weed reduced serotonin, and a little weed increased serotonin. This jives with my experience.

It is tough that I can't see that I'm improving over time because it happens so slow but really, I am. Signed a contract today with good pay, not very many hours. Next up would be a second part time job and maybe a girl dammit? I don't want to relapse although I've been having daily cravings for H that seem to be growing. Why now, after 3 months? I think because 1. I have my shit together enough I could probably be 'functional' and 2. the monster senses money coming in the near future. So I really have to watch out. Since I got rid of my oxy scripts I haven't had any temptations at all up until now. Funny how as soon as those went away, I just stopped picking them up and didn't really care. Knew they had to go. But now I am questioning that because the pain has been severe. I really suffer almost all day in my mid-spine and a bump of H would have it evaporate in 15 minutes. I am highly functional so long as I have it. It's tempting but I really enjoy springtime and when the weather warms up. It is a romantic time of year, I find. I can always go back to it later if things worsen but why would I now, when things are improving apart from my back pain and it would be so hard to get back to where I am. That fucking back ache though honest it's torturing me. Just have to put up with it because withdrawals are even worse at this point and I get them within 1 or 2 uses.
 
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