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[tacodude]

My point is that ending up with a huge dodecahedral crystal of meth is as impossible as winding up with a blue color. The reality of making ultra-pure meth would be just another white powder, and the episodes where they laboriously grew massive crystals from that powder, taking it in and out of a freezer over days, would get cut.

In the end they needed some way to make the Walter White meth stand out for the viewers, and making it blue is only as silly as making strange crystalline shapes out of it. If they had, I'm sure local meth labs would have dodecahedral molds made soon enough. And I can't believe I'm defending the blue meth, which is pretty stupid.

But the house that tweaker couple lived in, where they took the stolen kwik-e-mart ATM, does look eerily similar to where I buy mine.

Oh, and chick's laugh sounds just like my cousin's.

Crystal growing could be done in the background... That being said blue crystals are more likely to exist just use colman camping fuel, but it won't be healthy. Of course blue food coloring could be added I'm just saying they didn't need to even say anything besides ultra pure meth.... The blue part just puts me off too much. For something supposedly so genius how does it rely on something so stupid?

Edit: Shroomy look into plasma physics and the electric universe idea. It's pretty interesting to say the least

Also live resin I was taught uses something like evaporating a solvent trough a chamber with herb where it feeds into a condenser then sepratory funnel where the oil rests on the top layer. I was told the setup only requires water as the alkaloids get pulled with this method somehow, but it wasn't really explained besides the alkaloids become more soluble in hot water, but it didn't really make sense to me... I mean I could see it working with just water, but adding some NPS would make it work a lot better. At least I would guess.

 

[Scrofula]

Man what is dark matter anyway I have been wondering.

Right-handed neutrinos, obviously.

Either that or axions, possibly Kaluza-Klein particles.

(I think a photon is its own anti-particle)

The blue part just puts me off too much. For something supposedly so genius how does it rely on something so stupid?

THat could be said about a lot of things and a lot of people.

The show WAS genius, but it wasn't meant to be gritty realism; it's not in the same sphere as your Wires and Corners. You could substitute any criminal money-making scheme into it, and the show would be the same.

 

[Slow_Mobius]

What's stupid about blue meth? Breaking Bad symbolically uses colors all throughout the show. The blue color would be the result of a contaminant, but the purity would still be possible. As with most shows, not everything is realistic, though. One thing that didn't make much sense to me was Walter White having a background in protein Crystallography. Good protein Crystallographers tend to be pretty brilliant IME, but a background in synthetic o-chem or chem engineering would be more relevant to making meth

 

[Scrofula]

Not to mention in my experience crystallographers are the most batshit. But plenty of them have a much stronger chem background than anyone else in a molecular biology department. Although 99% of their work is getting things to crystallize; after that it's all software (at least to a confused outsider). The lucrative career he abandoned seemed more like a materials science thing too.

I think blue meth is pretty dumb, just no more dumb than any other dramatic device they could have picked.


Mr. Satori, I'm not one to talk but maybe it's best to avoid cocaine benders if you need so much booze and benzos? It can't be helping. You risk a much nastier benzo dependence. Booze and benzo addiction will trash your life in ways you never thought possible.

 

[Slow_Mobius]

Not to mention in my experience crystallographers are the most batshit. But plenty of them have a much stronger chem background than anyone else in a molecular biology department. Although 99% of their work is getting things to crystallize; after that it's all software (at least to a confused outsider). The lucrative career he abandoned seemed more like a materials science thing too.

Well now a days Crystallographers often don't even need all the chem knowledge to get their protein to crystallize. The new techniques are fully or semi automated, high-throughput methods. So they'll just try hundreds or even thousands of different buffer conditions simultaneously until they get something that works. The hardest part now is often getting an extremely pure protein sample and figuring out if it's even possible to crystallize your protein. At least that's how the field has been moving in the past decade or so.

Although, Walter White would've been doing Crystallography before all the fancy computer jazz was as useful. At his time, they would've had some computer assistance with analyzing their diffraction patterns, but the old software was not nearly as user friendly or helpful as what's available now. Now, if you have access to modern equipment, you basically just need to figure out how to obtain an extremely pure protein sample, and after that, a lot of it is computer-aided trial and error.

Although, interpreting your electron density maps is still extremely difficult and requires a pretty advanced understanding of chemistry. Structural biology is complicated, but it can be pretty fun and rewarding imo

 

[ovo1024]

Breaking Bad is the greatest show of all time imo. Reguarding the blue meth discussion i thought it was blue because the process walter used to cook it with the methylamine method combined with his skill resulted in it being blue.

 

[Scrofula]

We can pretend the color comes from some trace heavy metal like osmium, that Walt knew would catalyze the right isomer. Bonus in that it would make it more toxic.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Oh man, I started another argument in the OD social. *backs out silently*

 

[tacodude]

If they tried to explain the blue in that advance of detailed they could've easily just made them specifically shaped shards I just used dodecahedron as it would be unrealistic so they couldn't be accused of giving drug advice, but could teach how crystals form differently due to not only impurities, but recrystallization method. Rather than calling it more potent they could've called it more stable..... I mean it seems like they tried to get advance s with it from the sounds of the discussion.

Either way as someone said they could've used any other gimmick even monster weed grown in best testicule juice would be more enjoyable than magically blue meth... Again no matter how ingenious every other part of the show is that blue meth is just too stupid for me to accept.

 

[Scrofula]

Having worked in wet labs for a decade, I can say that your shit turning a funny color on you is so much closer to reality than it forming unusual visible crystal shapes. In fact, pouring it out to set in a thin layer seems to be the way meth is made IRL, and there's no recrystalization even involved.

In fact, nickel would be a good candidate for blue contamination, and Raney Nickel is used to catalyze hydrogenation reactions (for your hydrogenated vegetable oils).

If you leave a bottle of 4% tryptophan out at room temp it turns yellow after a couple weeks, for unknown (to me) reasons, and that involves a plain ol metal-free amino acid.

(The real reason they went with blue, besides being cheaper than a prop designer, is because you can see the color in a little baggie on camera, without having to zoom in every time.)

 

[tacodude]

That's the point thought.... It's not believable blue meth would be more pure, but impure. While a special procedure of recrystallizing to make an ultra dense pure chunk that is microscopically the same throughout so even if you break it down it's the exact same pure quality through the batch. One might be more likely to be seen in real life, but the other is a more realistic sign of purity with blue being more likely to represent impurity.

That's all.... They could've said it sparkled due to the high purity causing crazy strong light refraction and I would buy into that more than blue color meaning pure meth. Either way though of course it wasn't the point of the show I just can't get over that fact to even try to watch it is what I'm saying is all.

 

[Scrofula]

Yes, the big problem is how can it be so amazingly pure and be an off-color (although, maybe pure meth IS blue? Think of that? Did you know liquid oxygen is a pale blue?).

One reason I liked the show is they acknowledged the problem withOUT bullshitting an answer that they knew the only people to object would know was bullshit.

(Unfortunately some of your suggestions defy physics, like your ultradense version, which would also be hard to show on-screen and really screw with dosing. And the def. of a crystal is that it's the same throughout, down to a few atoms; and changing crystal structure usually means millions of pounds of pressure and temperature, tough to do in bulk in a Winnebago. Meanwhile I think you might not realize it only takes on order of parts per billion of a metal to impart a color, in the neighborhood of safe lead levels in drinking water, to give you an idea of the impact it would have on purity, or a million times less than what you'd probably expect a super clean batch to have in ephedrine leftovers)

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

Walt's methamphetamine becomes blue when he switches from pseudoephedrine to P2P and reductive amination. The blue color is a plot device, introduced to make Walt's product visually identifiable. The use of P2P and reductive amination with methylamine would also produce a racemic mixture even though Walt claims it's enantiomerically pure. I doubt he was going through the trouble of using w-transaminase to convert it all to D-meth. But for such a kick ass show I can certainly cut em a brake as sometimes has to be done as they should be given a little creative license. It's not an instructional video.

 

[tacodude]

Yes, the big problem is how can it be so amazingly pure and be an off-color (although, maybe pure meth IS blue? Think of that? Did you know liquid oxygen is a pale blue?).

One reason I liked the show is they acknowledged the problem withOUT bullshitting an answer that they knew the only people to object would know was bullshit.

(Unfortunately some of your suggestions defy physics, like your ultradense version, which would also be hard to show on-screen and really screw with dosing. And the def. of a crystal is that it's the same throughout, down to a few atoms; and changing crystal structure usually means millions of pounds of pressure and temperature, tough to do in bulk in a Winnebago. Meanwhile I think you might not realize it only takes on order of parts per billion of a metal to impart a color, in the neighborhood of safe lead levels in drinking water, to give you an idea of the impact it would have on purity, or a million times less than what you'd probably expect a super clean batch to have in ephedrine leftovers)

That last part was the point... The process is so damn near impossible not the end results, which with skill and equipment is still near impossible (nothing's impossibly right?). The same could be said for making meth that turned blue it was so pure as far as having the equipment in an RV.... Bullshit is just realistic even without explaining it more so than the blue. Again an ultra shiny crystal due to formation could easily represent high purity vs a blue crystal because somehow impure white and seethrough stuff turns blue when pure.

This is going nowhere really though. It's why I disliked the show. Too easy to get hung up on a stupid topic.

 

[Scrofula]

But they give a shoutout to the racemic issue when using an "old school biker speed" synthesis. Walt screams it to the chicken man as the goon explains it's just cooking, "yeah, well how do you make sure you got the right stereochemistry blah blah blah?!?" They strongly imply the answer involves those aluminum curlicue things. Which doesn't make any sense, but yeah, I like that they acknowledge a real problem, but don't bullshit an answer. Shouting it out is a wink to the small percent of the audience who noticed (tweakers and undergrad chemistry majors).


IF YOU WANT to call them out for lazy writing, it's when they literally blow up chicken man's underground lab with its state-of-the-art equipment, only to have that equipment magically appear, hundreds of pounds of it, being carried into the bug bomb tents later. THAT was some serious laziness.

 

[tacodude]

Exactly if they were lazy there were else did they cut corners? Like they did this season of Rick and Morty.... I wanted to get more eyepatch Morty story. Just gotta wait to see what happens next season.

 

[ShroomySatori]

Oh man, I started another argument in the OD social. *backs out silently*

Haha! And you dislike the show. I'm keeping out of this too but I feel like I could leave for a couple weeks and there would be 100 pages of debate over blue meth. The chemistry for that is beyond me. I only really know physics, I have grade 11 biology. Maybe that's why it took me so long to start figuring out females, or I may have been socially stupid growing up. Can't believe I didn't have confidence growing up.

I messed up my lovely summer romance with three percocet relapses and then a heroin binge. I got clean soon after and today is day 13 : ) I'm feeling really great! I need a new anxiety med, probably gaba b, than benzos though.

Almost 4am but I have done 4 lines all night and no booze. Nice to know I exercised self control to avoid that crash. I'm presently working on a beautiful lady who happens to be a nurse. The attraction is growing, it's nice. And with all my health problems I could use a nurse around (pun hehe). She's really chill and european so the first foreign chick I've been chasing.

I'm really happy to be off heroin. It was stealing the life from me for years. I was too high and hooked to care, until I woke up. I think smoking that gram of dmt over a recent month was beneficial fir my mental health. I never want to be cold turkey sick like that ever again and screw heroin, I don't even have a drive for women when I'm using.

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

Hey Shroomy,

So whatcha thinking about as far as GABAb meds for anxiolysis. There seems to interest in that area but some of the most promising ones are alpha numeric codes or research compounds as of right now. Tianeptine has peaked my interest a little and is not a GABAb but I'm just scratching the surface and that has Mu activity, I'm just not crazy about SSRI's..

"The GABAb receptor as a target for antidepressant drug action"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3012402/

[spoil] Breaking Bad and Rick & Morty rule bitches![/spoil]

 

[CFC]

Racemic meth is nicer. So Walt is a genius. Ok? Oh, and it's blue because it's so pure it fiddles the light spectrum just like atmosphere. Obvs!

 

[ShroomySatori]

It scatters mostly blue frequency range light that comes from the sky man. All you have to do is look up at the heavens on a clear sunny day, and it will begin to rain little bags of blue meth that disappear unless you throw dollar bills in the air and cry out hallelujah. You have to have already used the blue meth for at least 10 days without sleep for this to happen and only Walter White can make it. It's not a tv show? That's a documentary I thought.

Are there really two different types of meth? Because this would align precisely with what I experienced. Very reliable sources, totally different effects with one being way more desirable. I haven't used much meth but I noticed that it wasn't always the same which surprised me because I thought it was simple to make and would have much more consistent quality.

Jekyl, for gabaB drugs I am considering baclofen. I had a prescription for it before, and it's a decent med. Ever tried it? I got it as a muscle relaxer but saved them for when I ran out of H. I could take 100mg baclofen and actually sleep at the peak of heroin withdrawal before I got my fix again. It made my head feel weird when I was on it - really spaced out, but it controlled the anxiety reasonably well too. If I was taking 30mg of that a day, I'd resort to nowhere near so many benzos in withdrawal.

Otherwise, I would love to have GHB for a while. That'd be my first choice. It's just hard to get here, but I would totally use it daily for a while until I can sort my anxiety out in a healthier way. Shame it's hard to get and demonized as a "date rape drug" (detest that terminology) and like what about booze? If any drug deserves that title it is alcohol, obviously. Or marijuana cigarettes (lol). It upsets me when I can't really ask around for something highly desirable because people will think you're a sex offender when I want it for panic attacks and insomnia and never to share. I am not the type of person to put that shit in someone's drink that is fucking disgusting. I will hit up my sexy nurse friend just fine now that I am single again and not using.

Anything you'd recommend looking into for gabaB anxiolytics? Man, I don't know enough about my own brain. I should read up on gabaA and gabaB, where they are located in the mind and how they work together (or maybe not).