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Shroomy are you in the US? Do you have public health care? If you do use the national referral service at 211 to find an in patient phenobarbital regimen detox... It will get you through the acute wds while you have to go somewhere long term to deal with the paws and addiction in general.
 
TacoDude you keep pushing that but honestly statistics show its not that effective it worked for you fine, but most it doesn't.
 
TacoDude you keep pushing that but honestly statistics show its not that effective it worked for you fine, but most it doesn't.
That's bullshit.... It deals with dependency the best I've tried every way of getting off. It requires longer term care to deal with the underlying issues, but for a rapid detox it is one of the best and oldest methods used. I had very little withdrawal symptoms compared to the other 5+ time I quit.

Plus at least in the states if you have public insurance thanks to Obama care hospitals and medical facilities get more money from taking public vs private insurance, which makes access extremely easy... I am just recommending people to take advantage of free treatment if they can utilizing a tried and true detox method to DETOX so people can tradition from dependency to rehab.

I'm seriously sick of people attacking me for sharing this advice as if I know nothing.
 
I appreciate the advice man. I'm not in the US, but I can get suboxone pretty easily I think. I would like to try taking suboxone in an outpatient program while being drug tested I assume. I really don't care about the consequences, I've already told my family (leaving out the severity of the situation, I am scripted pain pills of course... the good old pain pill/chronic pain alibi) and they are being very supportive. I mean I have chronic pain in my spine but this is chronic pain all over, in places I didn't even know one could experience pain.
I just want to get better I cannot keep living like this. I think subs are the only thing that might help me. Once I get past the physical shit I have a pretty good life I could get going on. I don't know how subs work in Canada. I'm really fighting this cold turkey one last time but this is it. I can't keep relapsing because my clothing feels a few sizes too large. Only time I can eat is after I smoke like ten joints in a row... really wish I had shatter.

edit - I'm getting on the suboxone program ASAP I am calling them first thing tomorrow morning and I have a 2mg sub to have later tonight. Also, who knows... maybe taco dude finally got this idea through to me. I need professional help it's so fucking obvious. I'm talking to my buddy about his experience with it. He was on subs for 6 months and has been clean for a year. Had just as nasty a habit as mine, just fentanyl over heroin. I liked my afghan brown before it ruined my life and nearly left me dead.
 
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Subs didn't do shit for pain.... I felt addicted to subs, but not methadone or pain pills as I couldn't help think I was taking them to feed a dependency that did nothing for me besides keep me under the hold of needing to feed a habit.

I mean I have relapsed back into use, but the dependency is not there like it was... It can always come back if course, which is why I only use 1x-2x a day as low dose as possible preferably poppy seed tea. The difference is that while I'm uncomfortable if I stop the worst symptoms are minor chills vs at the 6 hour point breaking into sweating, feeling hot/cold, feeling like I can't breathe, and just unmanageable symptoms. The detox worked great to treat the dependency, but my chronic pain was left neglected and gabapentin + tylonal was not cutting it plus I got higher from neurotin than weed even at low doses. The Opiates only make me tired if I treasure too much, but the right dose I get no mental effects besides light apathy while my body injuries stops hurting and tension releases greatly all over, but I am still able to think clearly without developing autistic issues (reduction in the contact comfort, feeling my personal space needs grow, social anxiety develops creating stress vs the other way around, etc).
 
I'm feeling a lot more stable from the 2mg suboxone I took earlier. I know I can't handle opiates in any way, shape or form to treat my chronic pain. I'm hooked at this point and I think that one suboxone pill was a lifesaver. I was able to shower, shave, change the bedsheets, brush my teeth... take care of myself a little bit. By the time the sub wears off I will be well on my way. I talked to that lady friend of mine late into the night on the phone and I know she is waiting for me to get through this shit and that alone is worth quitting for to me. A healthy long term relationship is something I really want and can't have if I'm using opiates. We really help each other out in a lot of ways and it's great so I really shouldn't pass that up, not taking the chance to see what it could manifest as long term, choosing a bottle of pills instead. Makes absolutely no sense to me anymore.

Anyways, I might post back here once I've been clean a little longer since my brain hasn't been functioning. When I was clean for over a month my chronic pain just wasn't bothering me so I might turn out to be lucky in that regard. I still had a lot of limitations, but I was able to get by. My back pain is way worse when I'm actively using.
 
It sounds like the subs work for you, which is good. Opiates just mask the pain and not permanently just as long as one can take it before just getting tired and in pain. One has to go treat the pain vs mask it with drugs.

Not only that, but think of your pain as water that fills a bottle that is your capacity. Now imagine Opiates or W.E freeze the water with more powerful stuff creating a denser solid. If you don't let yourself release the pain and feel it allowing you to pour water out it will either overflow or when you run out of whatever you are cooling it with the bottle will explode.

Watch try filling a bottle with water and then putting it in the freezer and allowing the water to freeze. Then add more water once the water is frozen until the bottle is full keep repeating the process until the bottle is a solid block of ice inside without any air. Then reseal the bottle and stick it in the refrigerator or leave it on the counter either way works whatever your choice is.

After some point the capital either pop off or the bottle will explode as the solid state of the molecules allow them to sit in a denser formation and when they were loosen and become a liquid state may become less dense and the small shape of the bottle then is not able to contain the amount of molecules that it was able to contain in a solid state
 
Are you saying the ACA offers medical detox for opiates? Cause that's pretty good to know, even if it's one folks won't like. Because if they're broke, their other options are . . .

(And you might want to rework your analogy: the ice freezing makes the bottle explode)
 
Not specifically that. What I was told is that hospitals and what not receive more money from patients under public health care they would not get taking a private health care patient. It's not just detox and rehab it makes more accessible, but a lot of health care that was hard to get... No one will do a damn MRI still. At least if this lady who seemed quite informed and educated didn't give me misinformation.
 
I meant, if the ACA (Obamacare) covers medical detox or not. If so, it might cover something that--by accident--is less pricey for hospitals than private insurance.. Even private insurance isn't exactly gonna cover in-patient rehab, or really, anything drug-related. So it'd be great if there were more option.

(And your info has to be backward, the gov usually pays less, or you'd see more doctors willing to accept Medicare, not fewer or none. Oh, the noble doctor, in it to help people, which is why he refuses to move to some semi-rural area badly in need of care, cause Medicare just ain't goona cover his vacation homes).
 
Well, kinda agitated, oddly wired, deciding on an ROA for the evening. Actual eight full hours of sleep yesterday.

My sinuses can not handle any more for like the rest of the week at least (it'll happen tomorrow morning).

And how might you be, at 4pm, and now, at 10:30?
 
Yeah taco dude, suboxone seems to work for me. I am on day four of being completely clean today and it is a suicidal horror show. I sniffed a 2mg sub a couple days ago and I had an entire day with no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. I took 16mg when I was really deep into dope and it didnt really help so I feel like it works better at lower doses. I'm getting more asap and have an appointment next week for it because it really did work that well, and I don't like feel like a suicidal, misanthropic, braindead, useless piece of shit recluse all day every day. I hear that here in Canada they drug test, but not for weed or psychedelics so yay. I can't even take care of myself like basic needs food and water. The sub made me feel like I was on an opioid a bit, but all it did was give me energy (a little too much, I found it very stimulating but that might be cause I'm still in wd's) and completely eliminate every withdrawal symptom for a whole entire day! It was shocking, and remarkable.

Plus, I used 60mg diazepam, 10mg lorazepam, and 30mg etizolam yesterday to try and escape and it didn't do shit. The rebound anxiety from heroin is extreme due to my panic disorder, so when the suboxone eliminated every withdrawal symptom and made me feel completely normal I was shocked. The only thing I noticed was I still had extreme anxiety.
 
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^ I agree, shroomy don't take so much mate, you know it's probably not gonna do much but it's still risky :/
 
Well, kinda agitated, oddly wired, deciding on an ROA for the evening. Actual eight full hours of sleep yesterday.

My sinuses can not handle any more for like the rest of the week at least (it'll happen tomorrow morning).

And how might you be, at 4pm, and now, at 10:30?

depressed and dejected as always

trying to get through each day

feeling good about what I've accomplished though.
 
I kinda do that already, especially with meth weight. I've found a lot more room when I put on the garbage bag to go get the mail.

Otherwise 30/30 or what mom gets, on sale. Kohl's if I'm lucky.
 
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