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The Small & Handy DALT Thread

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Hi
I'm looking for some infos about DALT (not 5meo version). I haven't found any infos on the net on this compound.

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Im really curious about this one myself. The reports from the Shulgin excerpt seemed to be quite intrigueing. Ive managed to procure some myself and the tooth fairy is to deliver it soon. Ill be anxiously awaiting the aforementioned fellows trip report.

In the meantime. Doesnt it seem a bit strange that DALT itself hasnt been documented at all? It must be active. I think this would be the only tryptamine in which the 5-meo was made known before the non 5-meo version. Interesting.

^^^ Oh an Kat. No offense bro but kinetic beat me to the punch. You are pretty on an off with 5-meo-amt. Good times. =]
 
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Info on DALT has been documented and was released at the same time as the info for 5-meo-DALT. It was also synthed around 1960 apparently.
 
Gorgon222 said:
Info on DALT has been documented and was released at the same time as the info for 5-meo-DALT. It was also synthed around 1960 apparently.

By saying "it was also synthed around 1960" are you saying that the 5 Methoxy (5-MeO) variety of DALT was synthesized around 1960? I ask this because I was under the impression that 5-MeO-DALT was just invented by Shulgin, according to the entry for it mentioned on a previous page of this thread, unless I read it wrong.

I'm curious, what board are you guys getting this information on new entries for this new book from? Other than this thread on Bluelight, I can't find or locate information about this new substance anywhere.

Come late morning I'll be dosing; I will be preparing myself tonight.
 
5-MeO-DALT apprears to be a new chemical. It is unclear if Shulgin invented or not but it does not seem to have been in any literature until now (or when the new book is released actually.)
 
ppirc said:
By saying "it was also synthed around 1960" are you saying that the 5 Methoxy (5-MeO) variety of DALT was synthesized around 1960? I ask this because I was under the impression that 5-MeO-DALT was just invented by Shulgin, according to the entry for it mentioned on a previous page of this thread, unless I read it wrong.

I'm curious, what board are you guys getting this information on new entries for this new book from? Other than this thread on Bluelight, I can't find or locate information about this new substance anywhere.

Come late morning I'll be dosing; I will be preparing myself tonight.

From the entry on DALT:

"As far as I can determine, there has
only been a single human trial of DALT mentioned in the published
clinical literature. This was by Dr. Stephen Szara long ago,
in 1960 plus or minus a year or two."

As for the forum that the information came from, they have asked numerous times not to be talked about here, therefore, my lips are sealed.
 
DALT

The entry sums up,

"So, the early and only discovery report of DALT mentioned neither the synthetic preparation, the dosage taken, the route of administration, nor the effects observed. It merely stated that the activity had been found. I have explored it up to 42 milligrams, I was to a +1 in an hour, back to base line at the fourth hour, and there was nothing that caught my fancy."
 
Another Entry

#xxx DALT; TRYPTAMINE, N,N-DIALLYL; N,N-DIALLYLTRYPTAMINE;
INDOLE, 3-[2-(DIALLYLAMINO)ETHYL]; 3-[2-(DIALLYLAMINO)ETHYL]-
INDOLE


DOSAGE: >40 milligrams orally.

DURATION: unknown

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS:

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: As far as I can determine, there has
only been a single human trial of DALT mentioned in the published
clinical literature. This was by Dr. Stephen Szara long ago,
in 1960 plus or minus a year or two. Most of the literature
papers that make reference to N,N-diallyltryptamine are reviews
of the structure-activity relationships of the psychedelics, and
thus they do not present any new human data. It is an
interesting trip to work backwards from these reviews to the
original statements that were made.
Most listed potencies are based on the generalization
that the activity of DALT was similar to that of DMT. Thus when
DMT is listed at 60 milligrams, this number appears as the
potency of DALT. And if the range of 60-100 milligrams is given
for DMT, then DALT is often stated to be at the mid-point, or 80
milligrams. I must apologize in that I am equally guilty of just
this kind of sloppy bookkeeping. All this is somewhat supported
superficially by the numbers in a chapter that Szara published in
1970 in Efron's "Psychotomimetic Drugs." In Figure I, there is
stated that a psychotropic dose of diallyltryptamine was "60 mg
i.m. or p.o." but the drug is not mentioned in the text or the
discussion. The yet earlier (and first) text mention of DALT is
in a paper by Szara and Hearst in 1962 (Annals of the New York
Academy of Science, 96 pp 134-142). There it is stated: "As
reported by Szara in Milan in 1957, administration of
diethyltryptamine (DET) and dimethyltryptamine (DMT) lead to
rapidly developing sympathomimetic effects , as well as to
perceptual, emotional and thinking disturbances similar to those
that result after administration of LSD-25 or mescaline. However
the psychological effects persist for only 1 hour in the case of
DMT and for about 2.5 hours in the case of DET; in contrast LSD
and mescaline have a much longer (6 to 8 hour) duration." There
is then added the short phrase, "The dipropyl and diallyl
derivatives have similar activities in man, as we found
recently." I finally found the Milan report of Szara: it is in
"Psychotropic Drugs," edited by Garattini and Ghetti (Elsevier,
1957). There, he describes four personal experiences: Three are
with DMT at 60, 60 and 75 milligrams, all i.m. and one was with
DET (also called T-9) at 60 milligrams, i.m. No mention is made
of diallyltryptamine.
So, the early and only discovery report of DALT mentioned
neither the synthetic preparation, the dosage taken, the route of
administration, nor the effects observed. It merely stated that
the activity had been found. I have explored it up to 42
milligrams, I was to a +1 in an hour, back to base line at the
fourth hour, and there was nothing that caught my fancy.


edited - I know its from a popularly known source, but we'd prefer if there was no synthesis talk here on bl. - atlas
 
Dalt

Is there anybody who has information about DALT:
Dose, duration or any qualitative comments would ba very helpful.
Thanks

EN21
 
From the good doctor (let's hope this volume gets published sometime...):

#xxx DALT; TRYPTAMINE, N,N-DIALLYL; N,N-DIALLYLTRYPTAMINE;
INDOLE, 3-[2-(DIALLYLAMINO)ETHYL]; 3-[2-(DIALLYLAMINO)ETHYL]-
INDOLE

SYNTHESIS: Synthesis section removed. Wait for the book and buy it!

DOSAGE: >40 milligrams orally.

DURATION: unknown

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS:

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: As far as I can determine, there has
only been a single human trial of DALT mentioned in the published
clinical literature. This was by Dr. Stephen Szara long ago,
in 1960 plus or minus a year or two. Most of the literature
papers that make reference to N,N-diallyltryptamine are reviews
of the structure-activity relationships of the psychedelics, and
thus they do not present any new human data. It is an
interesting trip to work backwards from these reviews to the
original statements that were made.

Most listed potencies are based on the generalization
that the activity of DALT was similar to that of DMT. Thus when
DMT is listed at 60 milligrams, this number appears as the
potency of DALT. And if the range of 60-100 milligrams is given
for DMT, then DALT is often stated to be at the mid-point, or 80
milligrams. I must apologize in that I am equally guilty of just
this kind of sloppy bookkeeping. All this is somewhat supported
superficially by the numbers in a chapter that Szara published in
1970 in Efron's "Psychotomimetic Drugs." In Figure I, there is
stated that a psychotropic dose of diallyltryptamine was "60 mg
i.m. or p.o." but the drug is not mentioned in the text or the
discussion. The yet earlier (and first) text mention of DALT is
in a paper by Szara and Hearst in 1962 (Annals of the New York
Academy of Science, 96 pp 134-142). There it is stated: "As
reported by Szara in Milan in 1957, administration of
diethyltryptamine (DET) and dimethyltryptamine (DMT) lead to
rapidly developing sympathomimetic effects , as well as to
perceptual, emotional and thinking disturbances similar to those
that result after administration of LSD-25 or mescaline. However
the psychological effects persist for only 1 hour in the case of
DMT and for about 2.5 hours in the case of DET; in contrast LSD
and mescaline have a much longer (6 to 8 hour) duration." There
is then added the short phrase, "The dipropyl and diallyl
derivatives have similar activities in man, as we found
recently." I finally found the Milan report of Szara: it is in
"Psychotropic Drugs," edited by Garattini and Ghetti (Elsevier,
1957). There, he describes four personal experiences: Three are
with DMT at 60, 60 and 75 milligrams, all i.m. and one was with
DET (also called T-9) at 60 milligrams, i.m. No mention is made
of diallyltryptamine.

So, the early and only discovery report of DALT mentioned
neither the synthetic preparation, the dosage taken, the route of
administration, nor the effects observed. It merely stated that
the activity had been found. I have explored it up to 42
milligrams, I was to a +1 in an hour, back to base line at the
fourth hour, and there was nothing that caught my fancy.
 
Had some (poorly synthed - tryptamine soln in alcohol + allyl iodide - unknown amount of N-allyltryptamine present) many years ago - by comparison with things I've had since then, I'd say it's like DPT's little brother. Afraid because of the unknown percentage of DALT present, there's no real dosage I can cite (was around the 60mg mark, but how much was N,N-diallyltryptamine is a mystery), but it was consumed by smoking the freebase
 
planckunit said:
Wow: how did you get this?

The entries for DALT, 5-MeO-DALT and methylone have been available on the net for several years, if you know where to look.
 
Does anyone have any idea why DALT hasn't popped up on the scene? The dosages are low enough and 5-meo-dalt has been making rounds for quite a while, is the synthesis that hard?
 
Are you saying that the mention of DALT would cause it to gain enough notice to be made available? In that case lets start discussing PEA's such as MEM, always wanted to see it make rounds.
 
5-MEO-DALT is much more available than DALT itself and like sekio said, "Be careful what you wish for." I had a couple grams or so of 5-MEO-DALT and everyone that took it had one hell of a trip in a bad way... I felt like I died and was stuck in the matrix, my friend destroyed his room and body, and another one tried to kill his best friend.... DALT and 5-MEO-DALT must be handled with care and measured accurately on a .0001 scale or better. It's extremely fast acting and the peak is beyond this world.. You better have the right mindset or hell on earth shall be unleashed on you.
 
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