Dissociatives The Small & Handy 3,4-MD-PCP thread

[jupitersstorm]

SuperPsych, about your comment how to make sure to be careful using it if your someone with mental health issues/diagnoses— I agree.
I’ve noticed that in some realllll high doses that you can start to slur your words pretty bad. Admittedly, I kinda overdid it one night— a week or so ago, and had some trouble trying to get out the words that I wanted to say. & that slur even lingered into the next morning/afternoon. It went away later that day thankfully.. I’ve been taking a break from it lately and try to only use it in moderation.
Of course, as with all dissos, highly recommend to only use it in moderation.
And like you said Super, for anyone that wants to try it, use your best judgement if you think you can handle it. Especially depending on how a certain persons tolerance is to dissociatives.

 

[Annabelladonna]

Just tried this. I capped 26mg to take after work. I snorted half the capsule in the bathroom at work about 15 minutes before clocking off. Snorted the rest on the bus home. Have consumed about 20mg more so I'm at a total of 40mg or so. It's fairly manic. I took it in hopes of finishing my grandfathers eulogy which I did promptly and turned out well. Urge to do chores. Music sounds great and I feel like talking with friends. It feels like a skeleton of 3-CL-PCP. Not quite as euphoric or empathetic but still has both of those characteristics. It's gentle so far. Next time I'll try 60mg oral

Can you expand on what you mean by "a skeleton of 3-CL-PCP"? 3-CL-PCP was my absolute favorite disso of all time, and I've really been hoping to find something comparable, especially taken orally. 50 - 70mg of 3-CL-PCP taken orally was a recipe for a near-perfect trip for me.

 

[SuperPsych]

Can you expand on what you mean by "a skeleton of 3-CL-PCP"? 3-CL-PCP was my absolute favorite disso of all time, and I've really been hoping to find something comparable, especially taken orally. 50 - 70mg of 3-CL-PCP taken orally was a recipe for a near-perfect trip for me.

3-CL-PCP is one of my all time favorite dissociatives and a supremely underrated drug in general. I've found 3-CL-PCP to be very therapeutic. Would love for it to pop up again.

As a "skeleton of 3-CL-PCP" I mean that it generally felt a lot like 3-CL-PCP, including the duration and mania, but without the profound euphoria that comes with 3-CL-PCP and without the empathogenic quality of 3-CL-PCP. I did find 3,4-MD-PCP to be therapeutc but not quite as much as 3-CL-PCP. I actually went to therapy once while on 3-CL-PCP to see if there'd be some benefit in using 3-CL-PCP for psychotherapy (similarly to MDMA) and I found that the 3-CL-PCP indeed promote an emotional openness when talking with my therapist.

I wish that I had expanded on it more when I initially typed it. If you're looking for the 3-CL-PCP experience in 3,4-MD-PCP you will be disappointed. 3-CL-PCP is a completely unique and special experience in the realm of dissociatives. 3,4-MD-PCP has more in common with 3-MeO-PCP and the likes than it does 3-CL-PCP.

Though at a rather high dose of 3,4-MD-PCP I did experience a really intense euphoria. No clue the dosage, I liked the bag that it came in and within minutes I knew that it was way too much. It also came with a really profound mania. Really intense up and down emotional waves. It felt good for the most part but as it started to wear off there was almost a crash similar to MDMA. I had to give my razor blades to my friend to hold onto because I was afraid that I may hurt myself. I also experienced a ambulatory blackout doing unmeasured doses of this stuff. The part I remember was being naked, thinking that I was dying, crawling to the front door, opening it, and laying half way out the door while nude, which is no bueno because I live in an apartment complex with plenty of families. It was late at night and I dont think anyone saw anything, but it scares me to think that I unknowingly exposed myself like that. My friend eventually came to watch me while I was in the middle of the black out. He says I was "staring at the wall with my cock out". Ultimately I'm not sure if him coming to help was for the best because he did not make a good trip sitter.

but yeah, 3,4-MD-PCP is cool stuff and can be therapeutic when used in moderation. Even after that experience that I had, I do intend to get more. I think I'll be more cautious now that I know how serious of a drug that it is. I don't remember exactly what I meant by that statement. There are definitely some similarities to 3-CL-PCP but overall it is very, very different.

On another note, I am now EXTREMELY curious about what 3-CL-PCE would be like. Dissociatives with PCE in the structure all seem to have a special kind of magic to them: MXE, 3-MeO-PCE, DXME, FXE, O-PCE. All of those are fantastic chemicals. I think that 3-CL-PCE has the potential to be a real winner

 

[Annabelladonna]

3-CL-PCP is one of my all time favorite dissociatives and a supremely underrated drug in general. I've found 3-CL-PCP to be very therapeutic. Would love for it to pop up again.

As a "skeleton of 3-CL-PCP" I mean that it generally felt a lot like 3-CL-PCP, including the duration and mania, but without the profound euphoria that comes with 3-CL-PCP and without the empathogenic quality of 3-CL-PCP. I did find 3,4-MD-PCP to be therapeutc but not quite as much as 3-CL-PCP. I actually went to therapy once while on 3-CL-PCP to see if there'd be some benefit in using 3-CL-PCP for psychotherapy (similarly to MDMA) and I found that the 3-CL-PCP indeed promote an emotional openness when talking with my therapist.

I wish that I had expanded on it more when I initially typed it. If you're looking for the 3-CL-PCP experience in 3,4-MD-PCP you will be disappointed. 3-CL-PCP is a completely unique and special experience in the realm of dissociatives. 3,4-MD-PCP has more in common with 3-MeO-PCP and the likes than it does 3-CL-PCP.

Though at a rather high dose of 3,4-MD-PCP I did experience a really intense euphoria. No clue the dosage, I liked the bag that it came in and within minutes I knew that it was way too much. It also came with a really profound mania. Really intense up and down emotional waves. It felt good for the most part but as it started to wear off there was almost a crash similar to MDMA. I had to give my razor blades to my friend to hold onto because I was afraid that I may hurt myself. I also experienced a ambulatory blackout doing unmeasured doses of this stuff. The part I remember was being naked, thinking that I was dying, crawling to the front door, opening it, and laying half way out the door while nude, which is no bueno because I live in an apartment complex with plenty of families. It was late at night and I dont think anyone saw anything, but it scares me to think that I unknowingly exposed myself like that. My friend eventually came to watch me while I was in the middle of the black out. He says I was "staring at the wall with my cock out". Ultimately I'm not sure if him coming to help was for the best because he did not make a good trip sitter.

but yeah, 3,4-MD-PCP is cool stuff and can be therapeutic when used in moderation. Even after that experience that I had, I do intend to get more. I think I'll be more cautious now that I know how serious of a drug that it is. I don't remember exactly what I meant by that statement. There are definitely some similarities to 3-CL-PCP but overall it is very, very different.

On another note, I am now EXTREMELY curious about what 3-CL-PCE would be like. Dissociatives with PCE in the structure all seem to have a special kind of magic to them: MXE, 3-MeO-PCE, DXME, FXE, O-PCE. All of those are fantastic chemicals. I think that 3-CL-PCE has the potential to be a real winner

Thanks for the thoughtful reply! Yeah, 3-CL-PCP has been the best I've tried since MXE, and actually better than MXE in terms of being more consistent. That's too bad that 3,4-MD-PCP isn't a good substitute.

I've found 3-MeO-PCP and others like it to be kinda disappointing or somehow off-putting. Certain dissos have a weird, dark undertone for me -- Every time I'd take DCK, for example, I started having this odd undercurrent of anger and resentment, even while the surface remained calm. A lot of the more recent ones have had weird psychological undercurrents as well for me. Not necessarily that dark, but maybe anxious or depressed. I never got any of that with 3-CL-PCP. 3-HO-PCP was another exception; it feels warm and relaxing, but lacks some of the sparkle and excitement of 3-CL or MXE.

Is there anything you've found that you really liked? Everyone's brain chemistry is so different, and I feel like it's really valuable to get recommendations from someone who likes the same things I like.

 

[SuperPsych]

Thanks for the thoughtful reply! Yeah, 3-CL-PCP has been the best I've tried since MXE, and actually better than MXE in terms of being more consistent. That's too bad that 3,4-MD-PCP isn't a good substitute.

I've found 3-MeO-PCP and others like it to be kinda disappointing or somehow off-putting. Certain dissos have a weird, dark undertone for me -- Every time I'd take DCK, for example, I started having this odd undercurrent of anger and resentment, even while the surface remained calm. A lot of the more recent ones have had weird psychological undercurrents as well for me. Not necessarily that dark, but maybe anxious or depressed. I never got any of that with 3-CL-PCP. 3-HO-PCP was another exception; it feels warm and relaxing, but lacks some of the sparkle and excitement of 3-CL or MXE.

Is there anything you've found that you really liked? Everyone's brain chemistry is so different, and I feel like it's really valuable to get recommendations from someone who likes the same things I like.

Yeah 3-CL-PCP is truly amazing and a special chemical. I hope that one day it becomes available again and ever since I thought about it, I can't stop thinking about 3-CL-PCE. I think that that one would be a winner. 3-CL-PCP was amazing in the fact that it was consistent. I got the dosages down to a T depending on the effects that I was looking for. Have you heard of the "50 Trip rule" for DXM where DXM loses its magic after roughly 50 trips? I didn't find it to be true with DXM (although my earlier trips were more profound than later) but I found it to be somewhat true for 3-CL-PCP. I had acquired 5 grams of the stuff and was taking it pretty regularly. Then one day I noticed that I just stopped getting the "magical" effects that made the drug special. I still got some sort of effect but not what I was looking for. The downside with 3-CL-PCP is that it felt hard on the body. I would not be surprised if eventually it's found to be toxic. Despite those suspicions I was not deterred. After I hit that point where I stopped getting the effects I wanted, I set the rest of what I had to the side, which wasnt much. I waited at least 6 months and tried again. I figured the reason for the loss of effects was due to neurotransmitter depletion as I think that 3-CL-PCP releases dopamine and serotonin. Even after 6 months I didn't get the effects that I wanted. I waited even longer. Maybe like 3 or 4 years after my period of heavy use and I took my last 60mg and finally got the desired effect back. So I think that the "once per month" rule that applies to MDMA should ideally be applied to 3-CL-PCP

I know exactly what you mean about some dissociatives having certain off-putting headspaces and it does seem to vary a lot between users. For me 3-MeO-PCP was always great and is my favorite drug. I really miss it. I agree with the DCK statement, which is strange because so many people seem to really love it. Instead of resentment and anger for me, it's a general sense of dysphoria with dark undertones. I can see how a DCK trip could go very badly. For me, 3-HO-PCP was a real mixed bag. Sometimes it was very soft and lush. Most of the time it was very neutral, but sometimes it took on a very dark and sinister character. Probably the dissociative that I've had the most difficult times with. Hasn't stopped me from going through grams and grams of the stuff. 3,4-MD-PCP also had a strange dark undercurrent. The first time that I tried it, I snorted a low dose 15 minutes before clocking off at work. Did the last of my tasks, clocked out then headed to the bus stop. By the time that the bus came I was starting to feel it. It didnt "feel" dark, but I got the thought in my head that a certain rider had a bomb in their bag and became more and more certain that he did. I was actually considering getting off of the bus and waiting for the next one. The strange thing is that the headspace didnt feel negative, but I was getting paranoid delusions. Got other paranoid brain worms that worked their way in my thoughts. Overall I really enjoy the chemical. I have to experiment more but I did enjoy it. I just have to hone the dosages and not binge, because the mania gets really bad and exacerbates the paranoid thought. The stuff can be pretty euphoric and therapeutic though.

As for dissociatives that I've recently tried that I liked? The only ones in recent years that I liked are basically unavailable now. I REALLY liked FXE and I absolutely adored DMXE. Those are both great chemicals that have that "magic" to them. I also enjoyed O-PCE but it doesn't have that certain place in my heart that the other 2 do. 3-me-PCP I thought that I'd really enjoy due to my love of 3-MeO-PCP but I was kind of disappointed by it. Only because I got my hopes up and went in expecting 3-MeO-PCP like effects when I should have gone in with an open mind and accepting the chemical for what it is. Hurts like a mofo to snort. The effects are enjoyable but somewhat shallow, at least in my experience. I need to experiment with oral doses more as my couple of times with oral doses seemed to have more character than snorted. Plugged was good too. Despite being somewhat lackluster imo, it does have its place and I intend to get more. I will hopefully soon be trying MXPCP which is MXE with the PCE skeleton replaced with PCP. I don't think that it'll live up to MXE but I do think that it's going to be a special drug.

 

[Pathogen]

I have a few grams of this that I recently acquired. I used to be reckless with MXE, but haven't really messed with dissos too much since MXE all but disappeared. I also have matured a lot, so I will be responsible l. I have experimented with 3MEOPCP/PCE and 3HOPCP a little bit, as well as a bit of very sporadic O-PCE, FXE, etc.

I haven't tried the MD yet, but it sounds promising!