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The sad state of PD

I don't exactly think it would be wise to alienate 80% of our audience so we can pander to an ideology that says "everyone here is stupid, we need to ban them".

This is a very good point, and something I wanted to address in my post. I understand that the OP and others might think all of these beginner threads are a big issue, but then what is the solution? Becoming exclusionary and alienating to all of those who aren't completely knowledgeable on this type of subject matter? This is a public forum and I don't think it makes a lot of sense to make it too intimidating to browse or post on.

In any case, nobody is forced to read or post in any topic they don't want to, so if seeing the title of a thread is that much of an inconvenience for you, then by all means, find somewhere else.
 
I have absolutely no issue with beginner questions, greenlighters, etc. Not only that but I'm committed to being one of the more experienced ones who provides these people with advice. I just want an advanced forum too.
 
I have absolutely no issue with beginner questions, greenlighters, etc. Not only that but I'm committed to being one of the more experienced ones who provides these people with advice. I just want an advanced forum too.

Thank you for clarifying, that makes more sense. I'm sorry to have implied that you were suggesting this forum become like that, I think I conflated what others were saying with your original sentiment. Anyway, an advanced psychedelic drugs subforum might not be a bad idea, though I don't know how I feel about that seeming to make this the "basic" psychedelic drugs forum.
 
Why not try starting with an advanced psychedelic discussion thread first before asking for an entire forum dedicated to it?
 
It seems to me that this is already the "focus forum." Instead of adding yet another sub-forum, why not move all of the "how much cough syrup should I drink" and "how many Benadryl tabs should I swallow" questions to BDD (where they belonged in the first place)? Just because a question concerns psychedelics doesn't mean it belongs in PD as a focus question. Just my $0.02.
 
Why not try starting with an advanced psychedelic discussion thread first before asking for an entire forum dedicated to it?

That's the most logical and reasonable means of making a change, but the constituency of PD is very good with the hard sciences anymore. It seems there has been a massive influx of uneducated teenagers with very little knowledge of psychedelics or the corresponding pharmacology/pharmacodynamics or chemistry involved...

I don't think its ever going to get better. The cats out of the bag do to speak, now PD is just a few rungs up from drugs-forum or the shroomery.
 
I think we have quite a good standard of contributer - a few more fans of oral DMT wouldn't go amiss but you can't win em all.
 
I think BL is a great resource. I like the fact that there are a broad variety of people of different ages, cultures, expertise, and socio-economic backgrounds.

The number of redundant threads is a by-product of this age in which there is simply too much information around, and ironically, many people can't be bothered reading through it. There's a tendency for people to ask questions for which the answers could have been found in a minute or two.

As someone pointed out, there's this trend whereby some people start a new thread with a question which has been comprehensively covered, and it's obvious they haven't spent one second looking for the info themselves. What's worse is when they add: "Also, I need an answer in the next hour, because I'm going to a club", or "OK, I haven't read through the first 14 pages of this megathread, but I was wondering...."

Doesn't make a great impression.

For any new members reading this, I'd like to advise you to ask yourself a couple of things before posting a question or starting a thread:

-Have I searched Google and/or BL for the information I want? (Again, as someone pointed out, the BL search isn't great, but you can usually find the BL thread by just doing a google search)

-Is my question one that simply cannot be answered because it's of a subjective nature (ie. "Will I be OK if I take cocaine and LSD together?", or "How many days does it take to become addicted to Xanax?"). These questions only invite pointless and potentially dangerous speculation.

-Am I looking for an answer based on factual or anecdotal information, or am I really looking for validation from others because I'm nervous about taking this substance - and if members strongly advise against taking it, will I really follow that advice? Someone on the net saying that you'll "probably be fine" shouldn't make you feel better because it has no meaning at all. You can't pass off the risk and responsibility of drug use to another person.


I think the single biggest issue facing BlueLight as a whole is that some people equate their personal, subjective experience with facts. The best we can do is share information from our experiences, or from legitimate sources (ie. medical journals) and try to be objective. Far too often I see comments like: "10mg of diazepam won't do shit for you. You gotta take at least 40mg", or "Don't bother with <insert substance here>, it's crap", or "If you take cocaine, you'll be addicted for life. I've been on it for 30 years now. It'll ruin you."

All any member can offer, regardless of how much experience and knowledge they have, is their experience. Even if 100 people post with the same reaction to a substance, that's not a guarantee that's it's 100% safe for you. Use common sense. Read up on what you want to know about, look out for patterns in the comments to get an idea of what might be likely, and then make your own decision.

TL;DR: <some people seem to be allergic to posts over 20 words long, so here's a summary>


I think BL is great and is an extremely valuable source of info which has likely saved many lives. To avoid repetitive threads, people should do some solid reading on the substance they are interested in before posting. And finally - this is the big one - people must realise that it is IMPOSSIBLE to predict what effect any substance will have on any person at any time. People must do their research and then accept that there's always some risk involved and it is their responsibility to make the final decision.
 
-Have I searched Google and/or BL for the information I want? (Again, as someone pointed out, the BL search isn't great, but you can usually find the BL thread by just doing a google search)

And you can restrict Google searches to just this site by adding "site:bluelight.ru" to your search terms. I usually do that instead of bothering with the BL search page.
 
That's the most logical and reasonable means of making a change, but the constituency of PD is very good with the hard sciences anymore. It seems there has been a massive influx of uneducated teenagers with very little knowledge of psychedelics or the corresponding pharmacology/pharmacodynamics or chemistry involved...

I don't think its ever going to get better. The cats out of the bag do to speak, now PD is just a few rungs up from drugs-forum or the shroomery.
Honestly though what's really to be expected after the release of.....very cheap 25I and such? Things like that are almost meant to cater to that sort of group of youngsters IMO. Easy, cheap, very available, the only hard thing really dosing properly and with liquid measurement that's fairly abolished as well. The only thing that really damns is, would be the deaths attributed to it. It's hard to expect in this sort of world that everyone doesn't want to alter their consciousness a bit or at least see what lays beyond in certain terms. At least though, is this day and age the information is there, and the only person to blame when things go wrong, for the most part is yourself, rather than say when people would sell "THC powder" that was actually PCP/etc. Or claim some 2c'x is mescaline. I've always sort of thought maybe sadly that its another form of Darwinism. If you can't handle having certain things around you when people centuries previous where giving their children opiates to sooth coughs/etc, then maybe you were never truly long for this planet or life anyways.

I certainly don't see PD as too bad, yes there is influx of stupidity, but if you ever took the chance to watch something like ED(no offense, there are many great users that hail from their but look at the majority of threads started there...), where most all questions are things like "Yeah so I know I wasn't supposed to eat MDMA for 55 days straight but like ummm...life blows so I dids....how do I fix my now shattered brain?!?" or that sort of thing, I don't find PD as sad, but either way probably since the 90's IMO, the general age of psychedelic users has dropped to lower age ranges then it used to be. Before I would say it was mostly college aged folk with some high school aged thrown in, now you occasionally see people as young as 13 or 14 asking about trying these things....

I don't think I could ever compare a place that still makes mandatory use of SWIM in this day and age to most anything honestly.... ;)
 
all forums have an ebb and flow. PD to me is a mix of people who are trying to learn about psychdelics and those who abuse them but put fancy words on their behaviour to try and justify it, also there are people who are seasoned and sensible but they are not the majority from what i can see.

this forum is very important because without looking in it i would not have realised how good al-lad was and to be fair its really nice.

psychdelic users along with cannabis users can be some of the snobbiest. there is no need for an advanced forum on psychedelics because their is nothing advanced about taking a drug. everyone on this site has done it at some point and its just triphead snobbery. i say this having tripped probably around 50-80 times (who can tell at this point) and i no longer hold any snobbery relating to 5ht2a agonists, they're just drugs (can be fun/can be spiritual).
 
One big difference I see compared to years ago is, years ago in PD mods put a lot more stuff into “Big and Dandy” threads. there was still tons of broken record I'm to lazy to find the answer myself posts but they would just get moved into a “Big and Dandy” thread.

As I look at the first page of PD today I see a decent percentage of threads that should be merged.

-Brown Liquid LSD?
-High vs Low doses of LSD
-How to get back from acid?
-weed after psychs-trippier?
-Alcohol + smoking DMT (or other simple tryptamines)?
-Dogs and psychedelics
-How to Hallucinate on DXM?
-Next NBome dosage?
-LSD 4 days after mushrooms? Cross tolerance?
-San Pedro: how quickly is mescaline produced?
-What am I experiencing?

All of these subjects have been discussed over and over and none of these are worthy of yet another thread.

Also merging threads helps the OP because now they can follow their post to a big thread of the same subject and if they are not to lazy to read some other posts then they can find the answer to their questions.
 
people need a reminder this is a harm reduction site, that exists for informational purposes for drug users' personal research. it does not exist to conjecture about your personal theories you have about drugs, that might be fine every now and again, but due to the intent and overarching purpose of this site, there is a strong need for any "theories", advice, etc to be in line with scientifically/medically valid thought on the subject, as well as with the subjective experiences of the people who have done these things before successfully. it is a balance.
 
One big difference I see compared to years ago is, years ago in PD mods put a lot more stuff into “Big and Dandy” threads. there was still tons of broken record I'm to lazy to find the answer myself posts but they would just get moved into a “Big and Dandy” thread.

As I look at the first page of PD today I see a decent percentage of threads that should be merged.

-Brown Liquid LSD?
-High vs Low doses of LSD
-How to get back from acid?
-weed after psychs-trippier?
-Alcohol + smoking DMT (or other simple tryptamines)?
-Dogs and psychedelics
-How to Hallucinate on DXM?
-Next NBome dosage?
-LSD 4 days after mushrooms? Cross tolerance?
-San Pedro: how quickly is mescaline produced?
-What am I experiencing?

All of these subjects have been discussed over and over and none of these are worthy of yet another thread.

Also merging threads helps the OP because now they can follow their post to a big thread of the same subject and if they are not to lazy to read some other posts then they can find the answer to their questions.

absolutely! i have noticed hardly any threads get merged anymore compared to when i first registered as a greenlighter. i remember making threads and thinking they got closed because i didnt see them on the front page anymore!
 
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