Miscellaneous The sacred ones... (Your most 'special' psych?)

[SotPoker1012]

Salvia and mushrooms.

Salvia is probably the most misunderstood substance out there. The hate is overblown. A lot of people don't even realize that there are ROAs other than smoking extract, though I've had primarily good experiences with that too.

2C-B is quickly becoming a favorite, but moreso because its the most convenient and easy psychedelic I have tried.

 

[Nonyascaline]

Salvia is probably the most understood substance out there. The hate is overblown. A lot of people don't even realize that there are ROAs other than smoking extract, though I've had primarily good experiences with that too.

I've only smoked low dose extract and it was a pretty fun yet weird stoning feeling. I went in expecting visuals only to have colors intensify slightly and everything just looked "off" I don't know how to put it. Kinda like reality was slightly closer to Half-Life 1 graphics.

 

[4DQSAR]

The most profound experiences I've ever experience involved no drugs. They were artifacts of REM sleep with the appropriate audio input.

I put on the BBC World Service, fell asleep and had an amazing dream of being in a boat travelling downstream and watching a train that had to take an indirect route but kept popping into my vision just in front of me or just behind me.

I asked my wife what music had been played only to discover that it was The Jimmy Giuffre Trio playing an instrumental called 'The River and the Train'. No lyrics. But how come my mind heard that music and imagined a river and a train?

Similarly, being a beam of light travelling through an infinite array of prisms. In that case the music was, would you believe 'You and Me Are Gonna be Friends' by The White Stripes.

I think it's quite possible to experience any ASC drugs can provide purely by limiting sensory input and then carefully selecting the single input left. Isolation tanks are something I would love to try.

 

[JackARoe]

A teeny list of this after a small lurking session:

5-MeO-AMT - 5-methoxy-α-methyltryptamine (THIS entire thread is basically people just talking about this drug)
5-MeO-DALT - N,N-diallyl-5-methoxytryptamine (Shulgin himself describes it as "light in psychedelic character" in TiHKAL and it produces few visuals)
AL - 4-allyloxy-3,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (Visually and mentally blunted, many trip reports describing this along with my personal experience)
mCPP - meta-Chlorophenylpiperazine (Hallucinogenic, unpleasant/undesired, mainly 5HT-2c agonist more than 2a)
TMA-3/4/5 - Trimethoxyamphetamines (Inactive/near inactive relatives of mescaline and TMA-2/6)

If I were to go on memory I believe all of these have more negative than positive reports. Of course each substance has its fans and excecptions.

You should start a thread with these. The Non sacred ones and we can watch others come in and defend these. Seems people are willing to participate.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

For plants i really love San Pedros etc, totally synthertic then 4-aco-dmt probably.

Although it really depends on set and setting, if im on a rave then its always gonna be LSD.

 

[JackARoe]

Salvia and mushrooms.

Salvia is probably the most understood substance out there. The hate is overblown. A lot of people don't even realize that there are ROAs other than smoking extract, though I've had primarily good experiences with that too.

I had voiced my irritation in the past that Salvia was written off as "too scary". Now I get that. I never had DPH, but I imagine it is a shit trip, Things like Jimson weed and others that we should be scared of. Yet even some experienced people in South America can utilize it.

But Salvia, written off as too scary for most people always made me scratch my head. The opposite side of scary is comfortable and alluring. And people have had those too. If a person eases into it slowly they can see the the parts that pull them in and say this is cool. And I do think the kappa effect numbs and heals emotions we could not get rid of. Should be experimented more for that. Sort of like a specific opioid as an emotional healer. If you can't get an emotion out of your head, try a small dose of Salvia.

I will say this again. With things like DMT and Salvia a slower approach is needed. A new surfer usually rides smaller waves first. If he gets too big of a wave the first time it may scare him away. I actually had a friend prove this. We were in Costa Rica and he rented a surfboard and went out to ride waves. He goes out. We lost him. 20 minutes later he comes walking up the beach from like half a mile to the right out of breath and beat up. That was his first and only try. He said don't go out there unless you can hold your breath for more than 2 minutes. lol

 

[4DQSAR]

I knew someone who took a huge dose of some manner of root that contained an anticholinergic. We had to baby-sit them for 72 hours.

I suppose if one is living an existence in which ANY ASC offers escape, people will take... well, anything.

 

[Esperighanto]

I knew someone who took a huge dose of some mannder of root that contained a anticholinergic. We had to baby-sit them for 72 hours.

I suppose if one is living an existence in which ANY ASC offers escape, people will take... well, anything.

I've found the unique combination of DPH and DXM to be specifically unique, and whlie DPH feels oddly nice up to ~250mg or so, it also makes me way more prone to lashing out at people for literally no reason.

What was that person's experience like?

 

[4DQSAR]

It didn't look like fun and they didn't remember any of it.

I've survived so long by being very picky.

But each to their own. They weren't difficult... just helpless.

 

[SotPoker1012]

I had voiced my irritation in the past that Salvia was written off as "too scary". Now I get that. I never had DPH, but I imagine it is a shit trip, Things like Jimson weed and others that we should be scared of. Yet even some experienced people in South America can utilize it.

But Salvia, written off as too scary for most people always made me scratch my head. The opposite side of scary is comfortable and alluring. And people have had those too. If a person eases into it slowly they can see the the parts that pull them in and say this is cool. And I do think the kappa effect numbs and heals emotions we could not get rid of. Should be experimented more for that. Sort of like a specific opioid as an emotional healer. If you can't get an emotion out of your head, try a small dose of Salvia.

I will say this again. With things like DMT and Salvia a slower approach is needed. A new surfer usually rides smaller waves first. If he gets too big of a wave the first time it may scare him away. I actually had a friend prove this. We were in Costa Rica and he rented a surfboard and went out to ride waves. He goes out. We lost him. 20 minutes later he comes walking up the beach from like half a mile to the right out of breath and beat up. That was his first and only try. He said don't go out there unless you can hold your breath for more than 2 minutes. lol

A big problem is that, when it was easily available in smoke shops, people said it was "like lsd" or "like mushrooms", or even "like weed". Some of what was sold would be over 50x, so of course people had terrible experiences with those expectations. Salvia has a way of warping your perspective in a way that something like LSD just does not do, expect perhaps at insane dosages nobody takes, and I totally understand that being quite jarring if you're not expecting it.

My experience with salvia, both chewed and smoked, is similar to yours. I was taking a t break from opioids (specifically kratom but all opioids too) and chewing salvia really helped me with WDs. Its mechanism as a kappa opioid relieved many symptoms of opioid withdrawal, and its psychoactive effects induced a very clear, peaceful, and mature state of mind. I could "just be". Mixing a few flakes of 10x or lower extract into my weed produces a similar experience without the hassle of quidding.

I've also had full on trips from smoking extract. They were always insane, but always left me feeling incredibly content with life afterward. I've seen beautiful things, horrifying things, and some things that are just plain weird. My favorite salvia trip was influenced by the music I was listening to. I filled a bowl with entirely 10x extract salvia, and found myself "in" the song, if that makes sense. It was as if the song became a movie and I was in it. I came to when I dropped by pipe (rookie mistake not to put the pipe down before you start tripping), and saw a truck crash through the ceiling of a building I was in. I started laughing maniacally, it was the funniest thing in the world, even as reality slowly surrounded me again.

No matter what the trip was, it always left me feeling very content and positive.

 

[SotPoker1012]

I've found the unique combination of DPH and DXM to be specifically unique, and whlie DPH feels oddly nice up to ~250mg or so, it also makes me way more prone to lashing out at people for literally no reason.

What was that person's experience like?

I've enjoyed lower doses of DPH as well, and I also find it makes me irritable when I am around people. However, taking it alone, at the end of the day, with some good weed and good music was quite relaxing.

It's probably still terrible for you even at these doses, but it felt kind of like THC's darker cousin at these doses.

 

[darktide]

S tier :LSD DMT mushrooms Mescaline
A tier:2cb MAL 4ho-mipt
B tier: 5meo-mipt 25i-nbome

 

[M!$TER-ED]

i am not experienced enough to claim a favorite.

 

[Cult315]

Sorry to bump an older thread, but IMO 4-AcO-DMT/Mushrooms are tied as the gold standard for me. I did and enjoyed both so much that it became impossible to achieve a strong trip any longer, so I stopped using them. For a while. But I can’t go psych-free, so in their absence I finally found and started using LSD and 2c-b, mostly. More recently got my hands on some 2c-I which is good fun but not as intense as I expected. Also have about 200mg of 2c-e that I’ve been dying to try out but I just haven’t felt like the time has been right. Lots of shit going on in life and don’t want to ruin my literal dream psych(I’ve been eyeballing 2c-e for years, from afar of course cause could never find it) by forcing myself to jump into something I don’t think I’m ready for. And I know myself well, have never had a bad trip, and just feel like doing 2c-e right now is just gonna ruin it for me.

I do love LSD, 2c-b is ‘there’ I guess lol, mainly use it for sex or stimulation when I’m out of stimulants. My first 2-3 times where I got the dose right were fun, ever since it’s been bland as shit unless taken way over the top or taken in large combos. LSD requires quite a bit itself(350+ug) to really get me where I want to be. But every time I do shrooms, or 4-AcOs dose ‘equivalent’ as they’re just ever so slightly different, as long as it’s an 8th or so I’m where I want to be and anything past that just adds more and more and more goodness. Other drugs, even LSD, I don’t find that with. I can push past my personal sweet spot only so much before it becomes mildly-heavily uncomfortable

I tried mescaline on 2 separate occasions and was told, and believed myself, I would love it. I don’t know what was wrong, but I absolutely did not. Both times the trip started off great, but right before or right after the peak(depending on which trip you ask about) something just turned and it was a bad time. I tried to ride it out the first time, didn’t work, hit the stop button. 2nd time hit the stop button as soon as it turned. Both times not only as the trip turned, but for 24+ hours after, I felt like I was in severe opiate withdrawal. It was horrible.

 

[Pfafffed]

Oof, that sounds awful. I'm sorry to hear that! Mescaline is definitely a special one for me, and the only one of those three I take with any degree of regularity. I try to make time once a year, but it hasn't happened for the last couple.

Mushrooms and oral DMT are both special. Mushrooms are definitely the most magical of the lot, but it's been over fifteen years since I've had them. I respect them a lot.

 

[Opana313]

Sorry to bump an older thread, but IMO 4-AcO-DMT/Mushrooms are tied as the gold standard for me. I did and enjoyed both so much that it became impossible to achieve a strong trip any longer, so I stopped using them. For a while. But I can’t go psych-free, so in their absence I finally found and started using LSD and 2c-b, mostly. More recently got my hands on some 2c-I which is good fun but not as intense as I expected. Also have about 200mg of 2c-e that I’ve been dying to try out but I just haven’t felt like the time has been right. Lots of shit going on in life and don’t want to ruin my literal dream psych(I’ve been eyeballing 2c-e for years, from afar of course cause could never find it) by forcing myself to jump into something I don’t think I’m ready for. And I know myself well, have never had a bad trip, and just feel like doing 2c-e right now is just gonna ruin it for me.

I do love LSD, 2c-b is ‘there’ I guess lol, mainly use it for sex or stimulation when I’m out of stimulants. My first 2-3 times where I got the dose right were fun, ever since it’s been bland as shit unless taken way over the top or taken in large combos. LSD requires quite a bit itself(350+ug) to really get me where I want to be. But every time I do Other drugs, even LSD, I don’t find that with. I can push past my personal sweet spot only so much before it becomes mildly-heavily uncomfortable

I tried mescaline on 2 separate occasions and was told, and believed myself, I would love it. I don’t know what was wrong, but I absolutely did not. Both times the trip started off great, but right before or right after the peak(depending on which trip you ask about) something just turned and it was a bad time. I tried to ride it out the first time, didn’t work, hit the stop button. 2nd time hit the stop button as soon as it turned. Both times not only as the trip turned, but for 24+ hours after, I felt like I was in severe opiate withdrawal. It was horrible.

Damn really? Mescaline turns into a hellish trip after the peak? Or just physically speaking has it's toll on you? Whether it is nausea or just restless, ready for it to end? Please elaborate as I am about to go through a Mescaline extract experience..

I love LSD and yeah I am going for a 5th tab as I want to experience more of a heroic mind fuck, but i have noticed LSD is like a hallucinogen for THOUGHTS, as if you can look at a new concept in 4d or some shit idk

but yes I agree mushrooms hold all the magic. I have not had the pleasure of any 2c compounds so am a bit envious but also happy for you!

 

[Leprechaun]

The most profound experiences I've ever experience involved no drugs. They were artifacts of REM sleep with the appropriate audio input.

I put on the BBC World Service, fell asleep and had an amazing dream of being in a boat travelling downstream and watching a train that had to take an indirect route but kept popping into my vision just in front of me or just behind me.

I asked my wife what music had been played only to discover that it was The Jimmy Giuffre Trio playing an instrumental called 'The River and the Train'. No lyrics. But how come my mind heard that music and imagined a river and a train?

Similarly, being a beam of light travelling through an infinite array of prisms. In that case the music was, would you believe 'You and Me Are Gonna be Friends' by The White Stripes.

I think it's quite possible to experience any ASC drugs can provide purely by limiting sensory input and then carefully selecting the single input left. Isolation tanks are something I would love to try.

The ambient artist Stellar Drone does this for
Me!

 

[Leprechaun]

Damn really? Mescaline turns into a hellish trip after the peak? Or just physically speaking has it's toll on you? Whether it is nausea or just restless, ready for it to end? Please elaborate as I am about to go through a Mescaline extract experience..

I love LSD and yeah I am going for a 5th tab as I want to experience more of a heroic mind fuck, but i have noticed LSD is like a hallucinogen for THOUGHTS, as if you can look at a new concept in 4d or some shit idk

but yes I agree mushrooms hold all the magic. I have not had the pleasure of any 2c compounds so am a bit envious but also happy for you!

Set and setting. Once had a rough end to a mescaline after taking it late and not being able to sleep.

Have found taking it early in the day with some coffee to offset end of the experience headache and it works amazing !

 

[Nonyascaline]

S tier :LSD DMT mushrooms Mescaline
A tier:2cb MAL 4ho-mipt
B tier: 5meo-mipt 25i-nbome

Writing this on 2C-B and I disagree putting this man even at B this drug has no place in the sense of the semantic bullshit I meant as a sacred drug this character just makes you feel good even if you have every reason not to. mental equivalent of being whiskey drunk if you have revelations I'd see them as the result of underthinking an overthought issue but boy oh boy I have a new DOC by all means. takes S tier there