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The rejection of organized religion
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Whooooo are you talking to.
straycatphizzle
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^You.Moonmixer. I apologize if I didnt clarify that
It amuses me that you think I'm close minded. What I was trying to say was that being vehemently against religion is AS if not MORE close minded as being a fanatical proponent of the religion.
You basically outlined my beliefs in your statement, just in the form of the exact opposite of what I believe. All I was saying is that rejecting religion of any sort and then damning it as a hindrance to society is also incorrect. Religion does many things for many people, and for many communities (and probably affects you positively in more ways than you realize).
Personally, I don't think there is any way we CAN know what lies beyond this realm of existence. At least, I haven't discovered the path at this point. Nothing is concrete for me. I have a fear of the unknown, but I don't hide my fears behind curtains of iron-willed "faith".
And I resent the fact that you think I'm ignorant, especially since you completely and utterly misjudged my beliefs....
You basically outlined my beliefs in your statement, just in the form of the exact opposite of what I believe. All I was saying is that rejecting religion of any sort and then damning it as a hindrance to society is also incorrect. Religion does many things for many people, and for many communities (and probably affects you positively in more ways than you realize).
Personally, I don't think there is any way we CAN know what lies beyond this realm of existence. At least, I haven't discovered the path at this point. Nothing is concrete for me. I have a fear of the unknown, but I don't hide my fears behind curtains of iron-willed "faith".
And I resent the fact that you think I'm ignorant, especially since you completely and utterly misjudged my beliefs....
straycatphizzle
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^ excuse me, but I wasnt aware that you were only a skeptic. Im a complete skeptic but im not going to abandon an argument by simply saying "oh you're right its possible." Religion is detrimental to our progress as a species. Its keeping us from exploring the ideas and most of all its keeping us from thinking rationally. Not one member of the supreme court is an atheist. Now if everyone were as much a skeptic as you with religion then I'd respect them the same way i respect all freethinkers but this isnt the case now is it? Anyways, i'm not damning the possibility of organized religion's validity the same way im not damning the possibility of invisible pink unicorns.
It is my personal belief that religion is a slowly dying phenomena, along with marriage, traditional school, and many other parts of society. But that doesn't mean I can't see the good in it. I know for a fact that because of the fundamental ideals of christianity (and most religions), the world is a better place.
The thing I dislike about all religion is the people who distort and use its image and design for bad purposes. (Holy wars, bans on gay marriage, bans on drug use, mistrust of science and natural human progression, and etc.)
I'm not a practicing Christian, and as of now, I don't believe in god. But I think that part of our "progress as a species" is love for all mankind, and since that is one of the core ideals that founded Christianity, I support many parts of the religion.
But I do see what you are saying, and agree with you in many respects. Christianity does keep many people from thinking freely, if not all of them. Unfortunately, people can't seem to shake the idea that they should follow the bible word for word (which they truly believe is "God's word", and I pity them), and that everyone should do the same. Religion can indeed cause close mindedness. In the past close mindedness was valued in many ways. But in the modern world, it is an undesirable trait. And that is why I believe that sometime in the (near or far) future, religion will become the backdrop for bigger, better things the human race is supposed to experience.
I hope, anyway.
The thing I dislike about all religion is the people who distort and use its image and design for bad purposes. (Holy wars, bans on gay marriage, bans on drug use, mistrust of science and natural human progression, and etc.)
I'm not a practicing Christian, and as of now, I don't believe in god. But I think that part of our "progress as a species" is love for all mankind, and since that is one of the core ideals that founded Christianity, I support many parts of the religion.
But I do see what you are saying, and agree with you in many respects. Christianity does keep many people from thinking freely, if not all of them. Unfortunately, people can't seem to shake the idea that they should follow the bible word for word (which they truly believe is "God's word", and I pity them), and that everyone should do the same. Religion can indeed cause close mindedness. In the past close mindedness was valued in many ways. But in the modern world, it is an undesirable trait. And that is why I believe that sometime in the (near or far) future, religion will become the backdrop for bigger, better things the human race is supposed to experience.
I hope, anyway.
straycatphizzle
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^ See I didnt quite get the fact that you support elements of christianity but not all of them. I too support elements like love thy neighbor and thou shalt not kill. I mean, it definitely has done a lot of good in spreading love but one of the most powerful forms of love is to teach and in that respect it has done quite dissapointingly. Though it has saved lives with the christian black children foundation and all that wonderful junk. But you have to admit there is tons of greed in the church. For example, the tv preachers who wear tons of jewelry and fancy clothes. That is not very christlike. I side greatly with ghandi when he said "We like your christ, but not your christians"
kandytime
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I reject other forms of organized religion because I don't believe in an oppressive omnipotent god
Amen to that.
Although I do know many Christians who I respect, they are in many ways the exception to the rule. Or at any rate, the Christians I respect aren't the ones who tout their religion on television and etc. (who I despise)
Xtc <3
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I reject organised religion mainly due to its corrupt nature in todays society, I respect and appreciate the concept of religion but to me it seems so misinterpreted among the vast majority of people who choose to follow it that it does more harm than good.
I believe that religion is something that needs to be worked on much like science, to me the idea that the bible and other holy books are the word of god and must not be edited or updated is ludicrous, it was written by man for start.
I agree its wrong to think of yourself as more intelligent than followers of organised religion by following your own brand of spirituality, BUT only for those that understand the religion in its essence, this may come accross as arrogant but yes I do perceive myself as more intelligent than the average follower of organised religion, most of the religious people I have spoke to seem to either believe because if they are right then they have their ticket into heaven or believe because it is how they have been raised/brainwashed.
My grandmother is supposedly a strict christian which is fair enough but the fact that she has never even questioned her own beliefs is just ignorant in my opinion.
They say you shouldnt question someones beliefs, but why not? Where does one draw the line between ignorance and spirituality?
I believe that religion is something that needs to be worked on much like science, to me the idea that the bible and other holy books are the word of god and must not be edited or updated is ludicrous, it was written by man for start.
I agree its wrong to think of yourself as more intelligent than followers of organised religion by following your own brand of spirituality, BUT only for those that understand the religion in its essence, this may come accross as arrogant but yes I do perceive myself as more intelligent than the average follower of organised religion, most of the religious people I have spoke to seem to either believe because if they are right then they have their ticket into heaven or believe because it is how they have been raised/brainwashed.
My grandmother is supposedly a strict christian which is fair enough but the fact that she has never even questioned her own beliefs is just ignorant in my opinion.
They say you shouldnt question someones beliefs, but why not? Where does one draw the line between ignorance and spirituality?