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The REAL Facts About Drugs/Drug use. Aust Gov please take note...

OND43X

OND43X

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ATT: GOVERNMENTS OF AUSTRALIA: Please be aware the scare tactics used by the governments of australia have not reduced the number of people using drugs or the availability of drugs. It has though reduced knowledge people have about drugs.

Watching the television the other night i noticed that channel 7 news used part of a thread in bluelight for one of its stories. It was about the 'MDMA jelly' being used by young people in nightclubs. The story was more like what you would read in a gossip mag, no factual information just uninformed gossip. It did make me realise that if the media have knowledge of and vew this site, then maybe other uninformed people like our governmet or their reps view this site aswell. Thats why I wanted to start this thread so ppl can post articles or information they have been given by media/gov about drugs that are not true and/or just a form of scare-mongering. Also anything relevent about drugs or drug use that is factual to help the younger/less experienced drug users know more about what they are consuming so their dont have to rely on the 'scare tactics' that is shown on the tv/ newspapers etc
So please post some anythin drug related that you think is not fully understod by people outside of bluelight or anything you find in media etc that has false info about drugs etc...
 
Just playing devils advocate, the gov would argue scare tactics have prevented alot of ppl ever considering taking drugs.
Also the government would say the lack of MDMA, the heroin drought and high price of coke are proof the war on drugs is working. (even tho this ignore ppl
moving to less safe substances)

But I agree to giving ppl factual information not only is insulting to ppls intelligence but a form of propaganda.
 
This has been discussed before in threads like "my nanna cant tell the difference between amphetamines and methamphetamines". As it says in the article below, Almost all (about 95% i believe) speed/base/goey etc in Australia is METHAMPHETAMINES>


Amphetamines
Summary
Amphetamines are synthetic psychostimulant drugs that speed up the workings of the brain. Speed, base and ice or crystal methamphetamine (crystal meth) are common amphetamines. Long-term misuse of amphetamines can lead to brain damage, malnutrition and psychosis.

amphetamines are synthetic psychostimulant drugs, which means they speed up the workings of the brain. There are legal (prescribed by a doctor) and illegal amphetamines. Long-term misuse of amphetamines can lead to serious problems including brain damage, malnutrition and psychosis.

Legal and illegal amphetamines
Legal amphetamines, like dexamphetamine and methylphenidate, are manufactured by pharmaceutical companies and usually only prescribed for particular disorders such as narcolepsy or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

Illegal amphetamines are manufactured in clandestine laboratories and ‘cut’ (diluted) with different substances to boost profits. This means the person using the drug has no idea if the dose will be strong or weak, or whether it contains dangerous fillers such as talcum powder or quinine.

The most common **amphetamine in Australia is methamphetamine, which comes in three forms:

Speed – is the most common amphetamine and usually comes in the form of a powder.
Base – is an oily, sticky or waxy paste.
Ice (crystal methamphetamine) – is a crystal or crystalline powder, and is a stronger form of methamphetamine. It is also known as ‘crystal meth’, ‘shabu’ or ‘glass’.
Common slang terms for amphetamines include ‘speed’, ‘goey’, ‘crank’ and ‘whiz’. They can be injected, snorted, smoked or swallowed.

It is illegal to make or sell amphetamines. It is also illegal to possess or use amphetamines unless they have been prescribed by a medical practitioner for medical reasons.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Amphetamines


** I dont unerstand why they need to call it amphetamines. It just confuses people into thinking that 'Base' and 'speed' is amphetamines and therefore not as bad as 'ice'.
 
OND43X said:
ATT: GOVERNMENTS OF AUSTRALIA: Please be aware the scare tactics used by the governments of australia have not reduced the number of people using drugs or the availability of drugs. It has though reduced knowledge people have about drugs.
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Do you have a source for that or just something thats your opinion?

I would certainly argue that its probably had a huge impact on the numbers using drugs.

While the scare tactics may not be completely honest in the way they go about things, I have no doubt they work and target those who tend to not be able to make there own decisions about things and whom really need a good push away from drugs.
Sadly they dont work to stop those who are easily influenced by there peers.

In the end it doesnt matter what they do, they wont stop everyone from using.
 
Yeah I'd have to agree that drug prohibition 'does' decrease use.

If nothing else, how can you otherwise explain the fact that alcohol use is much, much higher than other drugs, even though it's fairly shitty by comparison? It's because it's legal and socially acceptable.

The question is whether the decrease in use is enough to justify the extra damage caused to society by the use that still exists, and personally I'd argue that no, it isn't.
 
The old example of alcohol prohibition should be brought up over and over again. All those Mexican catels, alot of gangs and dodgey dealers would instantly disappear.
 
a quick look on the net i found some info from 2006.


Illicit drugs
Based on responses to the 2004 NDSHS, 38percent of Australians aged 14 years and over had used any illicit drug at least once in their lifetime, and 15% had used any illicit drug at least once in the last 12 months. Marijuana/cannabis was the most common illicit drug used, with one in three persons (34percent)
having used it at least once in their lifetime and 11percent of the population having used it in the previous 12 months. Recent illicit drug use was most prevalent among persons aged between 18 and 29 years in 2004, with almost one in three people (31percent) in this age bracket having used at least one illicit drug in the last 12 months. The proportion of the population who had used any illicit drug in the last 12 months fluctuated between 1991 and 2004, reaching the same level in 2004 as the prevalence in 1991 (15percent). While the proportion of people who had recently used marijuana/cannabis in 2004 (11percent) was the lowest over this 13-year period, the proportion using ecstasy (3percent) was the
highest for that substance in the same period. Methamphetamine use was relatively uncommon in Australia in 2004: around 3percent aged 14 years and over had used it in the last 12 months and 9percent in their lifetime. Powder was the
most common form of methamphetamine used (74percent). The majority of users reported taking the drug in their own home or at a friend’s house (66percent).

http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/phe/soduia06/soduia06.pdf

It states illicit drug use has not decreased.
 
That doesn't mean use would be less if the war on drugs stance was revoked tho
 
and i never said anything about prohibition or that drugs should be legal. im saying that the info given out to ppl should be based on facts not bullshit
 
Read ur first line u say their campain hasn't reduced use or availability of drugs
 
I don't think comparing how many people use alcohol compared to other drugs is enough to say scare tactics work. Just because people don't want to risk breaking the law doesn't mean they actually believe all the propaganda.
 
A huge amount of ppl do believe the propganda tho especially older ppl. Even drug users about other drugs "omg don't do pills they have Rat poison! Just smoke weed it's sweet"
 
Haha new school propaganda is whack.. I loved the old school stuff from the wars etc..

Even my drug counsellor was like 'well what methylamphetamines have you been on this week' he did 'research' apparently, lol I had to point him in the right direction..

He also said 'wow I'm surprised you have all your teeth, I have a study here that says 97% of speed users will lose their teeth within a year of using'..

There's lots of this stuff out there but none of it will be 100% discredited because drugs are bad mmkay? Lol..
 
I remember during my drug ed at school I always found it weird how negative the info was. I wasn't I to drugs at all then and thought "why would anyone use these then"
even tho I'm more educated now some of the negative stuff sticks with me keeping me weary of the pitfalls of drugs.

What drug education do u expect them to teachat schools tho? How to do a cwe to teenagers
 
^ I don't think teaching how to do a CWE is such a good idea, then again codeine and it's use wouldn't be so publicized if it weren't for the media making such a big fucking deal out of it and now we have to deal with kids finding out about it and using it incorrectly and causing themselves harm probably moreso then before I imagine.

I think drug education in school has to stop being a case of strictly abstinence and instead be about warning what the side effects to watch out for are and how to avoid them, e.g. drinking the right amount of water, not overexerting yourself, spreading out use, awareness of what the real risks are, I'm just thinking of MDMA as an example here but imagine what could be taught properly about every drug that is out there. Instead of just saying how bad something is, show the real risks and accept that kids are probably going to experiment and need to know how they can avoid these risks whilst still teaching them that abstinence is the safest option.

It states illicit drug use has not decreased.
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I'm not sure what you were trying to show with that study or if that was directed at MazDan, but I imagine that he is right regarding the propaganda working and has been for a lot longer then the scope of that study. I also think that given the current dangers inherent in things being illegal, perhaps it's not such a bad thing that a lot of people are dissuaded from using.
 
Ur first paragraph contradicts ur 2nd mr blonde. If we don't teach abstinence then a cwe would be an essential lesson when it comes to codeine.
 
^ I'm not so sure if teaching teenagers how to get high from OTC products is such a great idea... I mean doing it here on BL is one thing but in school, when many of them probably have no idea anyway that they could? Sounds like it's asking for trouble.

I don't see how it's contradictory, I'm just saying that abstinence only education never works. Mmm maybe I've posted my way into a little dilemma here, I'll consider it and post back.
 
Hey guys. I for one really like the idea of this thread. Can we not worry to much about dis-crediting each other and try and de-bunk some of the bullshit scare tactics?

What I would like to see happen in this thread:
For anyone who see's a new or existing propaganda/scare tactics ad and to post the ad itself and/or a link to make it viewable. Then for us to take it to peices and discredit what is wrong, confirm what is right and generally try and get some real factual information out there much like what the government is doing but you know, correct =P

So please any new advertisments regarding illict drugs made by any organisation that you belive is spreading non factual information, please post so we can right the wrongs and give access to real information on illict drugs and their use.

I belive the scientologists put out a new bullshit flyer not long ago, that'd be a perfect start imho. I'll try and find a link..
 
Here's a good start.

See it everywhere.

http://www.drugs.health.gov.au/internet/drugs/publishing.nsf/Content/EC974B7001A02260CA2576D4007A939F/$File/NDC%20Ecstasy%20Lab.pdf

According to this MDMA is made using bleach, drain cleaner and battery acid. Also seems to be implying that these products will still be present when you consume.

Care to correct this?
 
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