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The REAL dangers of codeine

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Hi,

I'm not a huge drug user, just weed a bit.
In the last month I've CWE codeine from pills three times (clear water each time).

What are the dangers of doing this, spaced out every one or two weeks, what are the side effects of codeine?
Aside from leading onto harder things, what are the actual dangers of codeine.
 
Theres quiete a few. Overdose is one of them. Everyone thinks it's hard to but it's actually easier than you think. Since Codeine has a ceiling effect of about 420mg's or so alot of people will take more and more to try and get higher. Some of these people die.

Also it obviously like all opiates it can lead to addiction.
 
as above. addiction is the obvious , along with extreme histamine response that can result in death post 500mg doses with no tolerance/ experience to codeine phosphate on its own.

Other than that you can expect more subtle side effects: lack of analgesic properties from opiate pain killers(tolerance to opiates), increased tolerance to stimulants, and irritability/depression over a longer period of use (opiate receptor sensetisastion, dopamine depletion)
 
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Thanks for your advice.
As I would consider myself a reasonably sensible person, would there be a safe amount to do every so often, to avoid side effects and tolerance build up?
For example just a recreational use once every couple of weeks with a joint? Once a month? Once a year?
 
i use it quite recreationally and use 2 or 3 times spaced out a week with money and then i run out of money and spend a week not doing it and i dont have many tolerance problems using 400mg every time and 600mg to get fucked up , so start with like 300mg probably . use it like once a week or so maybe .
 
i only use like 150mg, and thats fine for me.
i want to stay at that amount to avoid risk of addiction, tolerance, damage etc.
 
Want to add: respiratory depression, and addiction. Also, failing to do a proper CWE will add problems, although this is not directly the codeine's fault.
 
Someone who has never taken opiates or some more 'sensitive' individuals might OD much below recreational dosage, maybe even below therapeutic ranges.
Those are rare individuals though.
Gotta respect opiates, specially when you're new to them, or when you try a new kind. Or face the consequences.
 
Could someone answer my once every two or however many weeks (120mg or however much) question?
 
here's my experience with tolerance headoff

i know u wont get any side effects at 120mg. unless u take it more than 3 times a week
i know u wont get a tolerance if u take it once every 2 weeks.
after a few goes u may loose 5% but stay at 95% as good as ya first time
if u have a break for a few months u can get it back to practically 100%
i dont know how often u'd have to take it to start getting a tolerance.
I'll explain what happened with me. I used to do it when i was young. i had a break for a few years & when I did it again I got really high. i was even nodding a bit from 600mg. i started doing it regularly again soon after. maybe 3 times a week. it was never as good as that first time but my tolerance stayed at about 75% as good as that first time. even when i started using daily it would still be 85% as good as after i had a huge break.
 
Seeing as you've done it before you know that you won't have any hypersensitive reactions. That being said, I think that if you do it rec once a fortnight and steer clear on the off days tolerance and addiction should not be an issue. But if you take codeine even in bits and bobs on your off days you are asking for trouble. As for dosage, everyone's different, I would say start about 120mg and bump up in 60mg increments until you find the sweet spot, going past 400mg is just plain nuts IMO.

Two tips, don't eat the day you use, even breakfast will water the fun down. And use one dose only, redosing always disappoints.
 
Thanks so much for your advice guys, its been really helpful.

So I'm thinking something like 120mg (give or take 20mg) once a fortnight and I should steer clear of tolerance, damage and addiction.

I just found it a really nice experience that I think would be nice to have occasionally but am worried about damage and addiction.
 
Everybody starts with occasionaly using, nobody starts with beeing an addict, man.

I start with 300mg. once a week, and get to the point when I was using 600-900mg. every day. Now I'm trying to stop but it's not easy. Be careful.
 
are there any actual documented occaisions of codeine overdose? i just can't see it happening, y'all must be getting some different stuff to me, i never even noticed any effects beyond a mild warmth that lasted about 30 min. then gave up and started banging dope, that is probably you're biggest issue.
 
I never heard about enybody who overdose codeine, but it's propably possible if someone is hypersensitive to opiates.

But I heard about guy who was using almost 3 grams of codeine every day. He's still alive but when codeine stop doing her work he start doing heroin.
 
Codeine has a fairly high level is histamine release, and may not work for some people on that basis (allergic reaction / enable other reactions).

Otherwise, it has a pretty short half-life, meaning it doesn't stick around for too long. In turn, WD's are often mild and short and easy to kick. I wouldn't take more than your current 2-3x per month. If you start "sitting around through the week, waiting for that day you can take some codeine" then you're in danger of a mental addiction, whereas the body will become physically dependent after some amount of time sustaining the drug in the body. These times (for development) vary between everyone.

Codeine has a ceiling dose for metabolizing into Morphine, but that's only a small % of the effects, there's a metabolite - G6C - that is responsible for much more of the effect that ISN'T included in the 400mg ceiling.
 
Codeine does not have a "ceiling effect" as many think. The "ceiling effect" notion comes from the assumption that codeine doses in excess of 400 mg saturates CYP 2D6, thus preventing codeine from converting into morphine. That is simply wrong because more than 80% of codeine is metabolized into codeine-6-glucuronide (which is responsible for the analgesia and histamine-related effects), only about 3-5% of ingested codeine is O-demethylated to morphine which is quickly excreted, anyways.

Codeine can be dangerous mostly to those that are completely opiate naive. It generally has a high incidence of side effects - histamine-related effects (rash, breaking out in hives, redness and itchiness), severe constipation, and of course, respiratory depression.
 
it doesn't have a ceiling dose, but anything over 450mg starts to increase histamine response drastically. if you took 1000mg i'd hate to imagine what would happen to you without ALOT of antihistamines.
 
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