The Psychoactive Substances Act - Update: Illegals R Us

[consumer]

Just out of curiosity: are the Amp. psyches available in Dingo Territory? MDA, DOx, BOx etc?

MDA occasionally. DOx occasionally too. It seems Adelaide gets DOx circulating as lsd every now and again. The scene i am tapped into is mainly into lsd, mdma and dmt all of which are available in abundance.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Yeah, exactly.
Also, NBOMe drugs are banned at their (apparent) source - China - but i believe there are other similar xx-NBOH chems floating around.
But fuck that; why sell dangerous hallucinogens?
I been into serious dealing, but hooking good people up with quality LSD has always seemed like a community service of sorts, to me.

Selling dangerous phenethylamine psychedelics that are active in microgram dosages, as acid, on blotter, is the absolute opposite of selling LSD - there should be a fucking law against it, eh?

As for the topic of this thread....yeah, it is probably bad legislation - but the RC market is pretty frightening from a public health point of view. Something like this was inevitable, even if it is reactionary and counterproductive.
Maybe my perspective is skewed because i live in a country with a blanket ban on analogs (or anything that resembles a drug) - and very strict customs and border control authorities that seize a lot of incoming drugs in the mail etc - yet you can still buy fucking lethal sythetic 'noids in various sex shops and stuff.

UK RC users have had a pretty good run, all things considered.
A lot of drugs essentially available for purchase unrestricted for years.
I'd be shocked if this bill actually prevents UK users from buying RCs. It just might get a little more difficult; which isn't always a bad thing.
People unwilling to do any research or apply any HR principles to their experimentation probably shouldn't be able to get them so easily IMHO.
But i dunno, it's not a black-and-white, yes-or-no question to my way of thinking.

Edit -


Available in what sense?
On the black market? Sometimes.
Through internet vendors? Well, we don't have any domestic (non darknet) vendors that i am aware of - and what makes it into the country must get past some very advanced mail screening by Customs.
I used to get a few 2Cx drugs and mescaline analogs from Canada, but they are all covered by the catch-all legislation these days.

Very well put, and I think pretty much sums up what most of us believe.

 

[spacejunk]

Yeah, there is a curious concentration of DOC (i think) tabs coming out of adelaide (of all places!) at times.
I've always wondered what the story is behind that.
I wouldn't mind trying some, if i knew what i was getting - i've never come across DOx psychedelics.

 

[spacejunk]

Very well put, and I think pretty much sums up what most of us believe.

FUCK!
Re-reading that i just noticed a terrible typo!

I been into serious dealing, but hooking good people up with quality LSD has always seemed like a community service of sorts, to me.

That was meant to say "i've never been into serious dealing"! Incriminated by a typo when i decided to rephrase something, but didnt read over it.
I've seriously never been a drug dealer.

In my defence it was 42 degrees celsius here today. Melted my brain, Jesus Christ!

 

[SmokingAces]

You'd be surprised people rant and rave about Aussie customs. My trusted UK guy claims a 100% success rate there, and I've read others say that 99% of it gets through from here, but many Aussies use their tough customs as an excuse to scam re ships.

Scandinavian customs are much tougher than their Aussie counterparts.

I believe they are tough, as in a package from a hot country probably won't make it.

Seems like the UK ones have stepped things up recently. If they find a suspicious package they get a warrant straight away then go any laptops, hard drives and USB's in the house. It's possible it's been seen they've been slacking for too long.

 

[consumer]

Yeah, there is a curious concentration of DOC (i think) tabs coming out of adelaide (of all places!) at times.
I've always wondered what the story is behind that.
I wouldn't mind trying some, if i knew what i was getting - i've never come across DOx psychedelics.

I believe i tried one of the DOx compounds when i was about 20 so nearly 25 years ago. The trip lasted nearly 30 hours and was very visual. I remember it was on thicker cardboard than usual and they were called tables and chairs. They were intense.

 

[SquidInSunglasses]

You'd be surprised people rant and rave about Aussie customs. My trusted UK guy claims a 100% success rate there, and I've read others say that 99% of it gets through from here, but many Aussies use their tough customs as an excuse to scam re ships.

Scandinavian customs are much tougher than their Aussie counterparts.

I believe they are tough, as in a package from a hot country probably won't make it.

Seems like the UK ones have stepped things up recently. If they find a suspicious package they get a warrant straight away then go any laptops, hard drives and USB's in the house. It's possible it's been seen they've been slacking for too long.

That sucks to hear, any idea if they'll only pull that sort of thing on MoDA stuff or any Rx only stuff as well?

 

[Si Dread]

No.

The only good thing about this legislation is that it is very likely to reduce the access that young, stupid people have to dangerous, smoked cannabinoids from equally dumb high street retailers.

The MODA laws birthed the monster RC/Legal Highs scene so I can imagine this legislation birthing, in time, something even bigger.

Remember also that this legislation, for the first time ever in the UK, permits drugs that are banned for personal consumption. This is going to make it extremely difficult if not impossible to enforce the present MODA because the average copper is going to have little idea if the bag of white powder you have on your person is a "proper" illegal drugs like speed or coke, or if it's some RC's that's legal to possess! How LE in the UK has permitted this legislation to go through is beyond my comprehension unless they are looking forward to being able to focus on proper crimes that cause genuine harm & let off anyone caught with drugs!

 

[consumer]

You'd be surprised people rant and rave about Aussie customs. My trusted UK guy claims a 100% success rate there, and I've read others say that 99% of it gets through from here, but many Aussies use their tough customs as an excuse to scam re ships.

Scandinavian customs are much tougher than their Aussie counterparts.

I believe they are tough, as in a package from a hot country probably won't make it.

Seems like the UK ones have stepped things up recently. If they find a suspicious package they get a warrant straight away then go any laptops, hard drives and USB's in the house. It's possible it's been seen they've been slacking for too long.

Aussie customs are scary enough for me not to entertain the thought of ordering anything from overseas. I have no idea on how much they actually bust but the threat of being caught and the repercussions from that such as being deregistered as a nurse are just too severe.

I am sure lots of stuff gets past them though.

 

[SmokingAces]

Mate moved there in 2011 and has ordered mephedrone there since from various sources around the world successfully. He says the same he thinks it's down to a lot of people playing the customs card to get a refund/reship. He is only a small fish ordering a few grams here and there though. I bet if you ordered bulk pills or something from Holland it would be a problem.

Squid it's not a UK-UK issue. Or even an issue over grams and such, the people who are reporting such happens were all dealers.

 

[SquidInSunglasses]

Mate moved there in 2011 and has ordered mephedrone there since from various sources around the world successfully. He says the same he thinks it's down to a lot of people playing the customs card to get a refund/reship. He is only a small fish ordering a few grams here and there though. I bet if you ordered bulk pills or something from Holland it would be a problem.

Squid it's not a UK-UK issue. Or even an issue over grams and such, the people who are reporting such happens were all dealers.

I was only concerned if it'd affect meds I have to order from overseas. Totally just overreacting though, I'm sure.

 

[spacejunk]

You'd be surprised people rant and rave about Aussie customs. My trusted UK guy claims a 100% success rate there, and I've read others say that 99% of it gets through from here, but many Aussies use their tough customs as an excuse to scam re ships.

Scandinavian customs are much tougher than their Aussie counterparts.

I believe they are tough, as in a package from a hot country probably won't make it.

Seems like the UK ones have stepped things up recently. If they find a suspicious package they get a warrant straight away then go any laptops, hard drives and USB's in the house. It's possible it's been seen they've been slacking for too long.

I believe Australian customs have some sort of scanner that can detect certain classes of substances.
Before i stopped ordering RCs online, i had a lot of stuff seized. Well, it got to the point where barely ~1/3 of stuff made it through - but having some sense of self preservation (and a modicum of sense) i stopped doing it.
Had a fair few successes - but then the failures started to greatly outrank the things i received, so i called it quits. Fuck that.

Also, we're talking real stealthy packaged shit from all over the world, too. Not just one vendor or country.
...yet, i think i've only had one non-chem package opened by customs in the last 5 years, and allowed to come through.
And everything legit i buy online comes through no worries whatsoever. It defies logic that it isn't some very effective policing, at least in my experience.

My idiotic experiences - and those of people i know - suggest that Australian customs does have some advanced way of detecting drugs in the mail. It's not hype or a scam.
Even 5+ years ago i remember reading that a UK cannabis seed vendor had a 99% seizure rate of packages going into Japan.
I don't have the faintest idea what technology these agencies have at their disposal, but i would suggest it is what makes it so difficult to import certain things into australia.
Almost certain it isnt a myth though - we have the strictest quarantine laws in the world for a number of reasons (basically all plant matter is illegal to import, to keep the continent free of certain bugs and diseases that can wreak havoc on australian agriculture) - so it isnt surprising that there is a lot of money put into technology to enforce these laws.
Also our federal and state governments are incredibly backwards when it comes to drug law enforcement.

Federal govt tried to ban wattle (the, uh, flora on our national emblem) a couple of years back because it is a source of DMT.
Fortunately that one failed and caused a few red faces.
Regressive as fuck.

 

[nuube]

No.

The only good thing about this legislation is that it is very likely to reduce the access that young, stupid people have to dangerous, smoked cannabinoids from equally dumb high street retailers.

The MODA laws birthed the monster RC/Legal Highs scene so I can imagine this legislation birthing, in time, something even bigger.

Could not agree more, but still this stupid legislation is pushed through.

Remember also that this legislation, for the first time ever in the UK, permits drugs that are banned for personal consumption. This is going to make it extremely difficult if not impossible to enforce the present MODA because the average copper is going to have little idea if the bag of white powder you have on your person is a "proper" illegal drugs like speed or coke, or if it's some RC's that's legal to possess! How LE in the UK has permitted this legislation to go through is beyond my comprehension unless they are looking forward to being able to focus on proper crimes that cause genuine harm & let off anyone caught with drugs!

How do you mean?

 

[SmokingAces]

All customs have scanners which can detect whether something is in certain forms ie plant matter, powders and such. If your using that information you will pretty quickly see there's not a hope of any customs picking up all drugs. There are legitimate types of powder and plant matter being shipped, and probably various forms of drugs being disguised as them. Ie pills disguised as legitimate pills, herbs disguised as herbs.

they can put as many layers of vacuum and Mylar as they want on something, false labels etc, and it will still be caught by the scanner. Watch a few episodes of Airport security Colombia on Nat Geo and you'll see how it works. As you say spacejunk the Aussies seem to scan things more rigorously than the UK for instance, that is all.

The UK seed vendor you spoke of probably didn't switch up his packaging enough and they profiled - same thing has happened to several deep web vendors before they vanished. Either that or he left a scent of drugs on them.

 

[spacejunk]

As i said, im not sufficiently well-versed in these technologies to have an informed discussion on it - but there is some mention of what i am talking about in this thread here (namely the last post) from 2009.

And sorry - i was way off with that "99%" quote. My apologies.

The "plural of mongoose" cat quoted by MyDoorsAreOpen was a very experienced UK seed vendor for many years, and has incidentally been indicted recently (and extradited from Thailand to the US if i recall correctly) for allegedly being one of the primary architects of the Silk Road.
So i suspect he knew what he was doing and talking about.

The thing about those Airport Security shows is that they are a form of propaganda (IMO) - and i doubt all of the intricacies of the "trade secrets"/state secrets are fully exposed on those programs.
But you might be right - i haven't owned a telly in over a decade so i've not really seen much of those kinda shows...

Anyway, i digress. But it bugs me that when i go to my local "herb" shop to buy rolling papers, i still see customer after customer walk in and buy synth noid blends, yet i can't order some 4-AcO-DMT online.
Makes me fucking sick, to be honest.
Actually, it also makes me sick that i can't buy that stuff, but every second establishment on the same block sells booze.
Fuck prohibition.
Some nation should do some genuine research on some of the safer psychedelic tryptamine RCs (for example) and start producing them for domestic sale. There are some absolutely astonishing exotic psychedelics (psilacetin and metocin are among my favourites) that i'd hate to see disappear altogether (as mxe seems to have).
But again, i'm going off-topic - as i believe most substituted tryptamines have been banned in the UK for years, right?

 

[SquidInSunglasses]

Seems really weird that MXE is as gone as it is, given how close it is to ketamine structurally. But I guess most K is probably diverted from legitimate sources so there's not much occasion for chemists getting to play with it.

 

[spacejunk]

It seems that with the UK - probably the biggest consumer of RCs - now putting this legislation into action, we will probably witness the next development in drug use take shape over the next few months.

It may be strictly a darknet industry - or i guess something else altogether might happen to fill the void (and soak up what must be multi millions of dollars the industry makes for people).

Interesting times, from a relative outsider's perspective.

 

[Sprout]

It seems that with the UK - probably the biggest consumer of RCs - now putting this legislation into action, we will probably witness the next development in drug use take shape over the next few months.

It may be strictly a darknet industry - or i guess something else altogether might happen to fill the void (and soak up what must be multi millions of dollars the industry makes for people).

Interesting times, from a relative outsider's perspective.

To me the only logical progression is for a mass focus on customs and importation which would, if effective, cut the current industry off at the head (large scale domestic distributors) and the ankles (the end users). Definitely something this laughably disconnected disgrace of a parliament would get behind with vigour.
As a result we may see "in-house" domestic clandestine synthesis of popular drugs, RC or otherwise, to fulfill the demand of a rainy little island with widespread cultural psychotropic consumption.
Meth may finally take off here, it'd be the simplest way to make ridiculous sums of money without ever having to import a thing...

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

To me the only logical progression is for a mass focus on customs and importation which would, if effective, cut the current industry off at the head (large scale domestic distributors) and the ankles (the end users). Definitely something this laughably disconnected disgrace of a parliament would get behind with vigour.
As a result we may see "in-house" domestic clandestine synthesis of popular drugs, RC or otherwise, to fulfill the demand of a rainy little island with widespread cultural psychotropic consumption.
Meth may finally take off here, it'd be the simplest way to make ridiculous sums of money without ever having to import a thing...

Guess we've all got jenkem and krocodil to look forward to now...

 

[SquidInSunglasses]

Guess we've all got jenkem and krocodil to look forward to now...

Just think how this will revitalise the british industry though. Someone's got to supply the kilos of precursors, after all. There's got to be money in setting up a chemical supply house with bad security and a tip jar by the door.