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Conspiracies The Plot To Steal America - Watch this video with an OPEN MIND

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OpiateKiller said:
I agree but these people see Biden as unamerican - and they maybe right who knows? it's possibl he's basically a infiltrated Chines loyalist.

When the government fails it's people - it is time for an uprising.

The US started failing it's people long before Trump's presidency.

But I agree Jess - we should never try to start a civil war unless things are absolutely at the darkest of darks. Like say Trump refuses to leave office and calls for military to defend him and kill anyone who tries to stop them.

That would be fucking scary and Treason to America.
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No. When the government fails its people you elect a new one.

You can't just have an uprising every time you don't like the current government. The founders knew that. There's a reason there's laws against insurrection.

Violent revolution is a last resort. And the only way in which we're at all close to it being necessary is because we have a nutjob wanting to stay in office by force after losing his election.

If Trump actually somehow did stay in office, THAT would be the only time violent action could be justified. Because at that point trump has successfully dismantled the functionality of the lawful, peaceful systems to affect change.

Even if Biden is a spy (and... Also barely aware of his surroundings?), well... Then congress would have to impeach and remove him. That's the correct course of action in that situation. Using force to prevent enforcing the democratic election results is not.
 
JessFR said:
No. When the government fails its people you elect a new one.

You can't just have an uprising every time you don't like the current government. The founders knew that. There's a reason there's laws against insurrection.

Violent revolution is a last resort. And the only way in which we're at all close to it being necessary is because we have a nutjob wanting to stay in office by force after losing his election.

If Trump actually somehow did stay in office, THAT would be the only time violent action could be justified. Because at that point trump has successfully dismantled the functionality of the lawful, peaceful systems to affect change.

Even if Biden is a spy (and... Also barely aware of his surroundings?), well... Then congress would have to impeach and remove him. That's the correct course of action in that situation. Using force to prevent enforcing the democratic election results is not.
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I think this has been your most reasonable post in this thread. I'm off to bed goodnight at least we have some common ground.
 
alasdairm said:
@OpiateKiller you seem quite certain biden will not be sworn in. want to bet me?

alasdair
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Prior to the election I actually gave a lot of thought to paying money to bet on the election.

For a trump victory....

My thinking was either trump would lose, and I'd be happy. Or he'd win, and the money I'd won would soften the blow.

In the end I spent the money on drugs.... And trump lost anyway!

It's fair to say I feel very happy how it turned out.
 
alasdairm said:
if you were a gambler you'd gamble... but it's ok, if even you aren't that sure if you're correct, then save your money :)





lol. even you seem unsure what you think on this one.

night.

alasdair
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you’re very good at taking my sentences out of context and twisting what I’m saying. Like really good. Like I’d consider quitting your job and becoming a reporter / writer for a news company and I’m not even being sarcastic or a dick the way you just made me look like an idiot with those out of context quotes was like Grade A reporting school on a biased outcome. or grade A make Op look like a dumb fuck.

I said Biden getting into the office is contingent upon what Trumps supporters are willing to do, what agencies are backing Trump, which foreign nations are backing Trump, the military and most importantly - can they prove this election was rigged large enough - they’ve already had 100 sworn statements of suspicion from poll workers, voters, postal workers getting giant bags of Biden ballots last minute, etc.

This is not over. Trump, al though you all hate him, did you know he has one of the highest IQs of any president ever? He’s a genius. He may conduct himself like a 9 year old girl.

But the guy is a calculated genius.

I’m sorry you can’t see this. Chess not checkers. Trump knows China stole this election.

Maybe he’ll try to go to war with China prior to Biden’s inauguration.

isnt is odd Hillary Clinton told Biden don’t concede under any circumstance? That right there proves they never were gonna lose. Not because of a fair election - but because American presidents are selected not elected, and it’s been way since the execution of JFK.

Trump never was meant to win in 2016. Hillary was the selected “heir” to the throne.

This is no democracy, this is a joke of a system we need to destroy. I hope they come well armed Jan 6. Cause when I really think about my beliefs.

Trump is our only hope at a free nation.
 
Pence gonna have to say out loud that Trump lost. Haha.

I'm going to have the popcorn ready and Trump's Twitter loaded for that one.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Well, if you hadn't fucked off us Brits in the first place you wouldn't be in this mess now would you?

Just look at how successful we are.

Oh, hang on...
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I have no idea why were not best friends with the UK. I wish we were and should be our #1 ally ... like in WW2... I mean Germany and Italy and Japan would be nice. But the UK should be our best allies.
 
OpiateKiller said:
you’re very good at taking my sentences out of context and twisting what I’m saying. Like really good. Like I’d consider quitting your job and becoming a reporter / writer for a news company and I’m not even being sarcastic or a dick the way you just made me look like an idiot with those out of context quotes was like Grade A reporting school on a biased outcome. or grade A make Op look like a dumb fuck.

I said Biden getting into the office is contingent upon what Trumps supporters are willing to do, what agencies are backing Trump, which foreign nations are backing Trump, the military and most importantly
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armchair psychology is pretty annoying but i don't think it's me you're annoyed at here. i didn't write those words, you did.

i didn't say that joe biden won't get anywhere near the oval office but also has a 90% chance of getting there. you did.

OpiateKiller said:
can they prove this election was rigged large enough - they’ve already had 100 sworn statements of suspicion from poll workers, voters, postal workers getting giant bags of Biden ballots last minute, etc.
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no. they can't.

the trump campaign alleged, with little or no evidence in about 50 different lawsuits, widespread voter fraud and the u.s. court system has completely and absolutely rejected those allegations.

the standard of proof in a court room is much higher than spewing lies to whip up your base on twitter and tv...

interesting
OpiateKiller said:
American presidents are selected not elected, and it’s been way since the execution of JFK.
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interesting theory. can you prove it?

OpiateKiller said:
Trump never was meant to win in 2016. Hillary was the selected “heir” to the throne.
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then what happened? did the shadowy cabal which selects u.s. presidents screw up in 2016? decide to take a vacation? if your claim that every u.s. election is rigged then trump would not have "won" the "election". but he did, proving you wrong.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
armchair psychology is pretty annoying but i don't think it's me you're annoyed at here. i didn't write those words, you did.

i didn't say that joe biden won't get anywhere near the oval office but also has a 90% chance of getting there. you did.



no. they can't.

the trump campaign alleged, with little or no evidence in about 50 different lawsuits, widespread voter fraud and the u.s. court system has completely and absolutely rejected those allegations.

the standard of proof in a court room is much higher than spewing lies to whip up your base on twitter and tv...

interesting


interesting theory. can you prove it?



then what happened? did the shadowy cabal which selects u.s. presidents screw up in 2016? decide to take a vacation? if your claim that every u.s. election is rigged then trump would not have "won" the "election". but he did, proving you wrong.

alasdair
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No. The electoral college recognized if Hillary, who is actually quite literally one of the most evil people on this entire planet got into the Oval Office.

wed all be dead be now.

that’s why Trump won.

go look it up, Russia announced if Clinton was president they were declaring war on the US.
 
alasdairm said:
armchair psychology is pretty annoying but i don't think it's me you're annoyed at here. i didn't write those words, you did.

i didn't say that joe biden won't get anywhere near the oval office but also has a 90% chance of getting there. you did.



no. they can't.

the trump campaign alleged, with little or no evidence in about 50 different lawsuits, widespread voter fraud and the u.s. court system has completely and absolutely rejected those allegations.

the standard of proof in a court room is much higher than spewing lies to whip up your base on twitter and tv...

interesting


interesting theory. can you prove it?



then what happened? did the shadowy cabal which selects u.s. presidents screw up in 2016? decide to take a vacation? if your claim that every u.s. election is rigged then trump would not have "won" the "election". but he did, proving you wrong.

alasdair
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And yes I could prove it. It would take a 300 page report with about 150 credible sources. And take me years to write.
 
alasdairm said:
armchair psychology is pretty annoying but i don't think it's me you're annoyed at here. i didn't write those words, you did.

i didn't say that joe biden won't get anywhere near the oval office but also has a 90% chance of getting there. you did.



no. they can't.

the trump campaign alleged, with little or no evidence in about 50 different lawsuits, widespread voter fraud and the u.s. court system has completely and absolutely rejected those allegations.

the standard of proof in a court room is much higher than spewing lies to whip up your base on twitter and tv...

interesting


interesting theory. can you prove it?



then what happened? did the shadowy cabal which selects u.s. presidents screw up in 2016? decide to take a vacation? if your claim that every u.s. election is rigged then trump would not have "won" the "election". but he did, proving you wrong.

alasdair
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As I said before, you can try and make me look like a fool but you will fail..

and in time you will sadly see I was right.
 
OpiateKiller said:
The electoral college recognized if Hillary, who is actually quite literally one of the most evil people on this entire planet got into the Oval Office.

wed all be dead be now.

that’s why Trump won.
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so the election wasn't rigged and the president wasn't 'selected'.

sure, hillary won the popular vote but the winner of the popular vote isn't the election winner. trump won the electoral college and was elected. the system worked as it is supposed to.

OpiateKiller said:
Russia announced if Clinton was president they were declaring war on the US.
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nope.

vladimir zhirinovsky claimed that donald trump was the only person he saw able to de-escalate tensions between the u.s. and russia. he said that the u.s. voting for clinton risked dragging the two countries into a war.

russia, the country, announced no such thing.

alasdair
 
OpiateKiller said:
And yes I could prove it. It would take a 300 page report with about 150 credible sources. And take me years to write.
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saying you could prove something is not proving something. if you can’t or won’t substantiate your claims, the veracity of those claims is, at best, questionable.

alasdair
 
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