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Opioids **The Oxycodone Mega Thread.** - Can't find your thread? Its in here.

i donno about the opana but with the ocs- scrape off the outer coating and use a hose clamp (one of the ones that you screw and they get tighter and they have those slots in them) unroll it all the way and straighten it out. one side is kinda sharp. shave the oc on the sharp side like a cheese grater. it will create a fine powder.. just shave off as much as you need. there ya go.
 
I put mine in the celephane from my pack of cigarettes, and bite it for a little bit to break in into smaller pieces. From there, I pour it onto a ()dollar bill with a fold in it. I then run a lighter across this back and forth until I dont feel any bumps. I pour that out into a line, and if i see any little clumps I put a card over it and kind of rotate the card back and forth and that smooths it out. Use the card to make lines, and your all set.
 
Hose clamp for both, don't peel the coating off the Opana, it just makes it ridiculous. Or you can slowly slowly use your nail or a razor to peel the coating and crush it super fine.

You are in a situation I have been in 1,000,000 times. Try not to get physically dependent if you aren't already. Good luck, and be good to your body.
 
I read somewhere that the new hoseclamps are smooth on both sides. You know how we use the inside of one after we've unrolled it? Well, some say that because so many users get busted with hoseclamps that the manufacturers are starting to grind them off on both sides. So save your old ones!
 
be careful with oc

i been beeing perscribed oc 60mg 3* a day for 3 years now and morphine ir 30mg 6 times a day for a year and i gotta tell you guys be careful im majorly addicted now running 2-3 days short every mounth and it is the worst unfortunatly i need them for the neuropothy i have in my hands and feet so i cant stop takeing them or i cant get out of bed what is funny is that when i started takeing them i was takeing just 10-20mg's a day and high as hell now i have to snort 60mg at a time just to get a slight buzz and selling them is no longer a option for me

BE SAFE TAKE BREAKS
 
I read somewhere that the new hoseclamps are smooth on both sides. You know how we use the inside of one after we've unrolled it? Well, some say that because so many users get busted with hoseclamps that the manufacturers are starting to grind them off on both sides. So save your old ones!

That is funny if true. I'll be selling my old hoseclamps on the blackmarket in a few years.
 
i dont know about anyone else but i just use a insulin bottle (im diabetic)to crush my pills after i remove the "film" with my thumb nail crush it then use a pair of dog tags i wear to break up the crushed powder takes about 30 seconds to do a 60mg OC from start to finish also wal-greens sell thease little metal key chain pill bottles they have a perfectly flat bottom makeing them ideal for pill smashing
 
i know im going on and on

i just snorted a 60 so please forgive my endless speaches but does anyone else think its funny that medicaide pays for 3 OC name brand 60's a day at a cost of 1,100 every 28 days but wouldnt pay for 6 30mg generics a day costing 180 a mounth i lost insurance about 6 mounths ago and had to go 2 mounths paying out of pocket so was getting the generic's when i got insurance back i was gunna stay on the generics as they seemed to last me longer but medicaid would only pay for 4 a day so had to go back to 3 60's a day wich is better but just stupid
 
I didn't even realize that 60mg OC were still an option. I thought it was 10mg (White), 20mg (Pink), 40mg (Tan), 80mg (Green)
 
Extraction of Generic Oxycontin - Abuse-Proof

mallinckrodt has generic Oxycontin on the market and i ended up getting these on my last fill. Usually i get brand or watsons, but I thought generics for OC had been discontinued, of course i was wrong..

Anyways after researching tons of ways to defeat the time release (Crisping, A/B Extractions etc), I found an interesting patent that defines exactly how the Gel mechanism works. Known as HVLCM High Viscosity Liquid Carrier Material which is also functions as the controlled release mechanism.

While long it does provide objective scientific evidence on many of the extraction methods discussed. what is interesting is the method that yielded the best results after 60 minutes was extracting in coke-cola, at 60C, fairly hot. This yielded about 40-60% extraction.

i would expect a sloped curve in terms of extraction, meaning first hour you may see 30-60%, but leaving for 5 hours wouldn't mean 100%. Considering most other methods are 1-10% (Microwave, Crushing, etc) this isnt too bad. The remanning unextracted portion would still be metabolized just as controlled release.

Of course DO NOT INJECT COKE-COLA, or any pills for that matter. There are other threads on that subject, but for oral ingestion of any type of opiate, using a filler that gels on contact with water the following process seems to work. I havent tested on all, but Mali Oxycontin, Teva, and Opana have had good results, better then all the other methods I have tried.


1. Crush the entire pill, with the outer shell
- Notepatent seems to indicate that outer-shell may contain ingredients that aid in the absorption of the active ingredient, the good stuff.

2. Use 250ml or a shotglass filled 2/3rd of the way with coke-cola

3. Heat in microwave for about 30 seconds, it will heat quickly so watch it

4. Mix powered pill with heated coca-cola

5. Stir

6. Let sit for 90 minutes

7. Drink


Suggest while letting it sit to stir periodically and try to keep temp around 60C. Microwaving in short burst of 5-15 seconds should do the trick.


Expect anywhere from 40-60%+ to be extracted, which isn't that bad considering the alternative. Also the extracted coke-cola solution isn't as disgusting to drink as opposed to vinegar, lime, water, crisping and some of the other crazy methods I have seen..


I am very interested to hear what others think about this.. MODS: Please let me know if this is in the appropriate thread\forum..


Reference Article: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/ja/ia.jsp?ia=US2008%2F013381&IA=US2008013381&DISPLAY=DESC

Reference:
Household Solvents..

"when exposed to extraction in saturated baking soda solution at 60° C for 5 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 15% of the opioid, preferably less than about 11% of the opioid; (1) when exposed to extraction in a cola soft drink at 60° C for 5 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 45% of the opioid, preferably less than about 30% of the opioid; (m) when exposed to extraction in 100 proof ethanol at 60° C for 60 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 33% of the opioid, preferably less than about 26% of the opioid; (n) when exposed to extraction in vinegar at 60° C for 60 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 33% of the opioid, preferably less than about 20% of the opioid; (o) when exposed to extraction in saturated baking soda solution at 60° C for 60 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 33% of the opioid, preferably less than about 23% of the opioid; (p) when exposed to extraction in a cola soft drink at 60° C for 60 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 60% of the opioid, preferably less than about 45% of the opioid; (q) when exposed to extraction in a panel of extraction solvents including vinegar, hot tea, saturated baking soda and a cola soft drink, each at 250C for 60 minutes, releases less than about 20% of the opioid, preferably less than about 15% of the opioid; (r) when exposed to extraction in a panel of aqueous buffer extraction solutions ranging from pH 1 to pH 12, each at"


Microwave..
"As can be seen by these extraction results, only 4% (1.6mg) or less of the oxycodone dose was extracted from the microwaved Test Capsules after 5 minutes of extraction in each of the extraction liquids. After 60 minutes, only about 14-10% of the oxycodone dose was extracted in any test liquid. These data show that the Test Capsules resist rapid extraction or dose dumping"

Smoking/Chasing (very bad for you, and not efficient at all)
"Test Capsules and the single lot of SR Control tablets were evaluated in triplicate. Each Test Capsule was cut open and the liquid contents squeezed into a sample dish, and each SR Control tablet was ground with a mortar and pestle and then transferred to a sample dish. The aluminum block was stabilized at 2800C prior to initiating the study. The covers were swabbed for oxycodone at 3, 5 and 10 minutes, and the samples were analyzed using HPLC. The results of the volatilization study were as follows: average oxycodone recoveries following volatilization at 2800C (data in the form of mean oxycodone recovered with standard deviation (SD), reported as a % of initial dose): Test Capsules = 2% (0.8) at 3 minutes; 4% (2.1) at 5 minutes; and 12% (2.1) at 10 minutes. SR Control tablets = 12% (2) at 3 minutes; 11% (2) at 5 minutes; and 10% (2) at 10 minutes. These data are depicted in Figure 19."

Chewed: Increases absorption rates, but does not defeat time-release/anti-abuse mechanism(s). Peak (plasma levels) decreases from about 4 hours to 2 hours by chewing. Coke-Cola extraction process described above accomplishes the same a chewing, i.e. powering the pill. So roughly 40-60% of the total dosage will be effectively the same as instant release, peak less then 1 hour with remaining 40-60% absorbed the same as chewing.
"As can be seen, vigorous mastication (chewing) of the OXY Test Capsules increased the mean Cm3x from 40.5 ng/mL to 82.3 ng/mL. However, relative to the IR Control oral solution, the C1112x for the chewed Test Capsules was significantly lower and occurred at a significantly later time. The mean T1113x for the chewed OXY Test Capsules decreased from 5.52 hours to 2.67 hours, as compared to 1.07 for the IR Control oral solution."

Bio Availability: Oxycodone: Very good orally, 85-95%
"inally, the relative bioavailability based upon the AUCiast of the three 80mg Test Capsule formulations (OXYl- OXY3) was very good (>80%, ranging from 83.39% to 90.27%"
 
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^ or you could just crush them up into a super fine powder and either eat that or parachute it. That defeats the time release very well...
 
^ or you could just crush them up into a super fine powder and either eat that or parachute it. That defeats the time release very well...

I use to think the same thing as well. But based on some scientific studies appears pharmaceutical companies thought of that. Parachuting may create more surface area for absorption, but does not really defeat the time release, based on the white paper. Once it hits the GI tract it turns back to gel, and is released as the active slowly diffuses.


Of course with Brand OC (Purdue) this is the not cause. Parachuting will defeat it, for the most part. But newer generics, and possibly reformulation of the purdue (if/when) that happens have the gel based matrix.

The coke-cola extraction in essence is similar to parachuting in that you are still grinding and swallowing the active ingredient. Only difference is for some reason, possible PH or possible closer resembles to GI tract the coke-cola seems to extract the oxycodone better then many other solvents. What you are left with is about 60% oxy instanct relase in the solution, and the remaining 40% in the gel matrix. As opposed to parachuting which would gel once it hit the stomach. Granted absorption would be faster as a result of the increased surface area. Still, you might at best get 10-20% IR and the rest extended...

Again, this is all based on a few papers, but seems to be reoccurring in many of the anti-abuse patent formulations..

Worth a try, personally I have had a tremendous amount of success over the other methods... But might just be might metabolism ect.. Everyone is different...

On the topic of HARM reduction these new formulations bother me. I do take OC as directed, but also will have a "good time" everyone once in a while. If someone is going to abuse they may not be aware that peak plasma level, even with parachuting isnt acheived for 2+ hours with the newer formulations containing gel based matrix. This may incline one to re-dose several times, increasing the risk of OD. As opposed to IR and standard controlled release (brand name OC), where peak is achieved in minutes, and well under an hour..

Hope this help... Be safe..
 
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