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The One and Only Official CEP Ron Paul Thread

Blacksoulman said:
The Act removes Federal funding for abortion just as he disapproves of federal funding for other federal programs like FEMA. Even if they extend 14th amendment rights, what is the federal government going to do about it? They have no penalty for state murders. Only when murder becomes federal. This act makes it not federal.
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Accept for the part of changing the federal defintion of life as existing at conception of course. You keep forgetting that part.


Bingalpaws is the only Ron Paul supporter I have talked with who actually questions this. The rest have just started harping on states rights.

Also for the record I believe in a strong Federal government but thats just my opinion.
 
You know though, its too bad all of America can't just have a vote, settling this issue once and for all. The majority of America would predictably choose to always keep it legal, and the "pro-lifers" would be forced to finnaly shut up for good.
 
Lets move on an examine Paul's "We the People Act"

"If made law, the Act would forbid federal courts (including the Supreme Court) from hearing cases on subjects such as the display of religious text and imagery on government property, abortion, sexual practices, and same-sex marriage, and would forbid federal courts from spending any money to enforce their judgments. It would also make federal court decisions on those subjects non-binding as precedent in state courts. The legislation would be immune to any constitutional challenge other than to the Act itself."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_People_Act

"6/29/2006--Introduced.
We the People Act - Prohibits the Supreme Court and each federal court from adjudicating any claim or relying on any judicial decision involving: (1) state or local laws, regulations, or policies concerning the free exercise or establishment of religion; (2) the right of privacy, including issues of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or (3) the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation where based upon equal protection of the laws.
Allows the Supreme Court and the federal courts to determine the constitutionality of federal statutes, administrative rules, or procedures in considering cases arising under the Constitution. Prohibits the Supreme Court and the federal courts from issuing any ruling that appropriates or expends money, imposes taxes, or otherwise interferes with the legislative functions or administrative discretion of the states.
Authorizes any party or intervener in matters before any federal court, including the Supreme Court, to challenge the jurisdiction of the court under this Act.
Declares that the violation of this Act by any justice or judge is an impeachable offense and a material breach of good behavior subject to removal.
Negates as binding precedent on the state courts any federal court decision that relates to an issue removed from federal jurisdiction by this Act."


What are your opinions on this.
 
Also another question:

How do you all feel about Ron Paul being opposed to federal Hate crime laws?

Again, I feel like this should be a federal issue and the federal government should provide protection.
 
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mulberryman said:
You know though, its too bad all of America can't just have a vote, settling this issue once and for all. The majority of America would predictably choose to always keep it legal, and the "pro-lifers" would be forced to finnaly shut up for good.
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While the majority of this nation does support choice. Pro-Lifers/Christian Conservatives know that given the chance, several states in this country would ban abortion, gay marriage and stem cell research. Religion still dominates how the majority of people votes in these states

Here's a reason why I support federal laws protecting these issues.

http://www.sovo.com/2007/1-26/news/localnews/fired.cfm

"Firing Gay Workers still Legal in Georgia"

For the record I am a straight male. I have always been a supporter of gay rights though. I always ask myself "Whats the big deal, who cares. How are they effecting you?" But then again alot of people still feel that gay people chose to live a what they consider a "deviant" lifestyle.

Honestly to me, its the similar to what African Americans had to go through. Eventually the country will mellow out though to the point where homophobia is just a fringe belief like White Supremecy.
 
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phactor said:
Lets move on an examine Paul's "We the People Act"

"If made law, the Act would forbid federal courts (including the Supreme Court) from hearing cases on subjects such as the display of religious text and imagery on government property, ...........
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What are your opinions on this.
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I'm actually unhappy that it won't be a federal issue. I believe certain things need to be firm on a federal level, and I do believe in a very strict separation of church and state. Given that I don't believe in the whole jesus/god/christ thing I hate seeing it anywhere that's publicly funded. I don't see a problem having a cross or a bible on your desk, or a huge jesus mural in your office of a public building (well, it'd be a little weird but it's your office), but having the commandments or other things that I personally view as just silly mythology on the front lawns or outsides of public buildings is not something I think should be allowed. This is already a part of our constitution and should be enforced on the FEDERAL level, there shouldn't be an option for a state to 'go christian' and have crosses on all their public buildings and shit.
 
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Well that pretty much sums up how I feel about it. I'll probably add more in a bit but I'm busy right now.
 
phactor said:
Also another question:

How do you all feel about Ron Paul being opposed to federal Hate crime laws?

Again, I feel like this should be a federal issue and the federal government should provide protection.
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I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole, not in this thread =D That would derail shit so fast it wouldn't even be funny, I'm actually glad to see teh abortion issue hasn't become a conception-timeline debate!
 
phactor said:
This almost funny. I was listening to NPR the other day and they were discussing this. Needless to say the Pro-Lifers flooded the phone lines and kept providing Bible quotes. The guest they had on was able to shoot down every single one.
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there's nothing funnier than seeing people use bible versus to 'prove' things. It's fucking hilarious, I actually found a christian forum (can't post because I don't think I could pull it off w/o being offensive, so I just lurk) and saw a thread on dinosaurs. Someone was asking, since they were a creationist, how dinosaurs fit in - does christianity believe in dinosaurs, and how do they explain that? People were throwing out the silliest verses to prove the bible recognized dinosaurs, shit like "and lo, the giant beast with huge tail, did move across the land"!!

Was it shit like that? I need to listen to this NPR, whatever it is, sounds entertaining/interesting! I keep myself turned off from most media lol, well non-interweb based media =D
 
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Oh yeah it was definatly like that. The guy was basically saying that since there is no biblical evidence then we shouldn't include religion at all in the debate.

The people calling were livid. Only a few pro-choice people called in, I think most of us were to busy laughing our asses of instead.
 
NPR is definitly the most open and non-biased media besides the internet. Unfortuantly here in this are I'm in, being so incredibly "conservative", most of the time the most local NPR station is just playing classic jazz or classical music and only has news and politics programs on occasionally. I suppose in the car I could get NPR from Lansing or Toledo, but I have to admit, on the road I'd rather hear music. :\
 
meh screw it, I'd have to find the channel and everything, I'll stay with the internet. I love the internet because my two main forums are left leaning and right leaning, so most any issue that is remotely significant is brought up on both. Both sites clearly have people on both sides of the fence anyways, so this way you get to see both sides clearly presenting arguments, instead of having the news spoon fed to you by the radio or tv. I'm probably the only person who cannot watch tv in their entire house (movies, cartoons, whatever, just no actual TV's or cabling anywhere lol, all PC based), and never ever listen to the radio except for sirius on rare occasions. I couldn't name one popular commercial, radio or tv, from the past 6 months lol. I love it!!
 
phactor, are you kidding me? You support "hate crime" legislation?

If I rob and shoot you for no reason whatsoever, I deserve less of a sentence than if I'm an admitted bigot who robs and shoots someone because of their skin color or sexual orientation? Fuck that. Hate crime legislation is just another way to keep people in prison longer, like drug free school zone legislation and sex offender registries...
 
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phactor, are you kidding me? You support "hate crime" legislation?

If I rob and shoot you for no reason whatsoever, I deserve less of a sentence than if I'm an admitted bigot who robs and shoots someone because of their skin color or sexual orientation? Fuck that. Hate crime legislation is just another way to keep people in prison longer, like drug free school zone legislation and sex offender registries...
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I think your misunderstanding the intention of hate crime laws.
 
lol I'm pretty much with coolio there but didn't want to mention it as this isn't a hate crime legislation thread, it's not about whether you agree with hate crime legislation/abortions/separation of church and state, it's ron paul's intended actions on said matters.
 
It is kind of rediculous, calling something a hate crime, is calling someone a "terrorist". They're all just crimes and criminals, and all these emotion-provoking labels are just more propaganda.

I use to never watch TV either, but since I'm now at home most of the day, I've had to find something to do. Still usually, except for the Daily Show/Colbert Report hour, if there isn't anything on about black holes, the Roman empire, or giant river otters, the damn thing will be off. :)
 
Hate crime law implies that certain portions of our population are entitled to greater protection from violence since crimes committed against them are somehow more heinous than those committed against the general population.

All lives being equally valued is what this country is founded on.
 
'Accept for the part of changing the federal defintion of life as existing at conception of course. You keep forgetting that part. '

And you keep forgetting the federal government can't do anything with that redefinition.
 
^^ Really? What happens when the estate of one dead fetus (ie a disgruntled "father") sues for wrongful death, and it goes all the way to the Supreme Court (which it undoubtedly would)?
 
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