The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

[BreakingSet]

Agreed. There probably are not any serious long term health risks involved with the infrequent metabolization of DO(X) compounds. I only ment to say that nobody knows anything for sure yet.

In which case I do not think it's safe to go around blindly saying things of that nature on web sites where kids are obviously looking for information to help them "dose themselves" on unresearched chemicals.

IMO, Illuminati Boy(sp) has the right approach by getting information through his surveys. He also seems to be very good and very willing to go through shit loads of posts to collect relevant facts and quantify (expressing these posts as number data) them. That's a lot of work. And I for one think it will be worthwhile for anyone really interested in seeing these things studied.

 

[DexterMeth]

^good insight. i have a strong feeling that 2mg isnt much for you at all. keep in mind i've done 20mg... keeping in mind that 2mg can blow some people out of the water. The dose response curve is very different for everyone, and can even change for you during different times taking it. for example i've taken 6mg before and it felt like 10-12mg..then another time i've taken 10mg and it felt like 4... and i had NO tolerance or anything. i was on an assortment of different psychiatric meds throughout so that definately played a role..but even when completely off them for at least a month, this would happen randomly.. maybe it has to do with the food and how much you're eating, sleeping, exercising, etc. I really dont know.

Anyways..i think it was very smart for you to start so low.. it really opened you up to "real" tripping.. not just "playing around" and using this lazer like sacrament as a toy. Trust me...take a larger dose, and you will be fucking shattered by the most intense visuals you couldnt ever imagine..at the same time having a very very VERY complex psyhic trip... keep the attitude you have now though.. but at the same time dont think so much.. just let it take you...
I personally suggest doing it 2 ways... sometimes do a trip on it where you just run with it...other times get as analytical as your hardrive will spin...
enjoy.

 

[CastorTroy]

dont think so much.. just let it take you...

It's kind of funny that you say this, because I had that exact feeling during the most intense part of it. While I was having the visuals I felt myself holding onto reality and fighting it. I felt like I couldn't let go. So I went for a walk outside. Somewhere in between lying in my bed trying to let go of reality and getting up, putting on my mp3 player (Sgt. Pepper's) to go for a walk I made the transition where I felt like I wasn't tripping anymore. Which happened over the course of about 10 minutes.

 

[DexterMeth]

well i was only partially talking about that. there's nothing wrong with holding onto reality..sometimes you can really get into a hardcore reality trip and analyze everything in it..all its workings, how you work, others work, and how you and everyone/everything relates to and works in this amazing experience...it can really help change personal flaws in your thinking/character...

anyways, i was more talking about just letting the trip take you however it goes..whatever way...whether that be some cage rattling ego shredder, a surreal dreamworld, reality analyzing, utter nonsense, empathy trip, laughter, eerie darkness...etc...whatever.
I think you get to experience the real power of the chemical interacting with your neurons better this way....and you wont always like it...but it will be worthwhile if you dont hold onto it with so much attachment.

i dunno. do whatever. i seriously think you need to try a higher dose..but dont go overboard. work up slowly... like i said..2mg was a great starting dose. you're a smart guy.

 

[rollinstoner]

I had a solution of 2mg DOC/2ml water 1:1 ratio mixture. I dumped it onto a mirror and let the water evaporate. I scraped up the residue and had a small bump. I'm guessing I got atleast 1mg of DOC. I just snorted it like less than 10 minutes ago. I was advised just to consume the mixture but since it is my first time, I want to be careful. For those of you who have snorted it, how long did it take for you to start feeling effects? Also, would 1mg produce OEV's?

 

[treefingers49]

I just snorted it like less than 10 minutes ago. I was advised just to consume the mixture but since it is my first time, I want to be careful. QUOTE]

you wanted to be careful so you snorted an unknown amount of it? that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It would've been MUCH safer if you had just ingested the whole thing.

 

[rollinstoner]

you wanted to be careful so you snorted an unknown amount of it? that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It would've been MUCH safer if you had just ingested the whole thing.

lol, are you stupid?

first of all, you need to read what i typed again. i had a mixture of 2ml water mixed with 2mg of DOC(given to by a friend). incase there was maybe too much in there, i evaporated the water out of it, knowing i would lose a little DOC out of it. how the hell would it have been much safer if i ingested the whole mixture? are you saying its safer to drink and unknown amount of a chemical than to snort an unknown amount of chemical? dumb arse.

 

[fizzacyst]

Because of the increased potency when insufflated, yeah, its generally safer to eat an unknown amount than to snort it. Though eating unknown amounts of drugs isn't exactly safe to begin with.

 

[treefingers49]

first of all, I know you had a mixture with 2mg in it. second, I know who you got it from too, cuz a few days ago you were both dumb enough to post about it. and third, it IS MUCH safer to eat it than to snort it. The phenethylamines are roughly 3 x as potent when snorted compared to oral ingestion.

you started out with a known amount of the chemical. 2mg of DOC is what I would consider a good starting dose. But instead of ingesting the whole thing, you decided to snort an unknown amount of it, but roughly "more than a milligram". If you didn't trust your friend measuring it out accurately enough, you shouldn't have taken it to begin with. And deciding to dry it off and snort some of it just made an already stupid situation much more dangerous.

you're an idiot.

 

[rollinstoner]

it was such a small tiny bump, i'm not risking much.

and don't call me an idiot, because i guarantee you have done more stupid shit to your body than I have. go fuck yourself.

I know who you got it from too, cuz a few days ago you were both dumb enough to post about it

OH NO! its an RC, not scheduled, not illegal. Why are you acting like such a fucking tool?

 

[fizzacyst]

it was such a small tiny bump, i'm not risking much.

and don't call me an idiot, because i guarantee you have done more stupid shit to your body than I have. go fuck yourself.



OH NO! its an RC, not scheduled, not illegal. Why are you acting like such a fucking tool?

Calm down guys.

You could probably just barely see 400mcg of LSD if you don't have really sharp eyesight, but if you snorted that it would fucking toast you. Small volume does not mean high safety. And depending on how dense it is and how well it crystallized, the volume a given mass of the chemical takes up can vary quite a bit. What looks like a small amount of fine powder may be fairly dense but small shards.

 

[treefingers49]

it was such a small tiny bump, i'm not risking much.

and don't call me an idiot, because i guarantee you have done more stupid shit to your body than I have. go fuck yourself.



OH NO! its an RC, not scheduled, not illegal. Why are you acting like such a fucking tool?

you know, RCs can still get you in a shitload of trouble. if you are found selling it knowing that the buyer's intention was to ingest it, you can be totally fucked. since these RCs are analogs of already scheduled compounds users can be prosecuted. to say that it's not illegal is not entirely true. I suggest you read up on these compounds and their legal implications before you fuck yourself in the ass. just ask the people that ran the now busted companies ACS and RAC.

how would you know that I've done dumber things to my body than you have? you don't know anything about me, and I know that you snort unknown quantities of unresearched chemicals, something I would NEVER do.

fucking dick, i'm just giving you good advice. if you had any common sense you wouldn't fucking need it.

were mods being fucking tools when they edited you and your friend's posts? no, they were just trying to keep idiots from implicating themselves.

 

[X3DFX]

There should be a rule that every post in and big and dandy thread must apply specifically to the compound being discussed in the thread.

 

[seuss1973]

There should be a rule that every post in and big and dandy thread must apply specifically to the compound being discussed in the thread.

That'd be nice, maybe a mod could come through and clean out the garbage posts.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand:


So, SWIM has ingested DOC 4 times now in doses of 2.8, 3.5, 4.0, and 4.5mg. The first time (2.8mg) was one of the most enjoyable experiences ever had. The other three were nice, but a little underwhelming. The first time, it had been one month since any other substance had been ingested, the other three, it had been a week since any other substance had been ingested, and 2-3 weeks since the previous DOC ingestions. I believe that there was some tolerance issues due to the DOC, the other substances taken in the "off weeks" from the DOC seemed less potent as well. It's time for a little break now, so in a month or two more trials will be made to test if tolerance may have been the issue. Reports will then be made.

Also, a friend ingested 3mg after a long day at work, at T+8h the friend was peaking, yet was wore out, decided to lay down, and slept for 6-7 hours. Upon awakening the friend was still tripping quite nicely.

 

[CastorTroy]

Hey guys,

I had a good experience with 2mg. However, I was quite underwhelmed and didn't even feel like I was 'tripping', just really happy. If I were to take it a week after having took the 2mg for my first time, what would you guys suggest as second dose in order to achieve an intense experience? I am thinking somewhere between 4-6mg. I'm not sure how much of a factor tolerance is, either.

 

[GreenBarts]

i heard that you have tolerance for up to 5 days after your research. but i dont know where they got that figure from? i would recommend at least 6 if you want more then just a mood boost. but maybe you should be safe and go with 4.

 

[hypnoticzzz2003]

I want to know how a 2mg trip is a mood enhancer, my first trip was 3.2mg, my second was 1.5 followed by another 1.5 1 hour later, and my most recent this weekend was 2.4 on the comedown from a few tabs I had taken. TO sum it up all three trips were interesting exept for the second trip where I took 1.5 then later another 1.5 I didn't get full peak effects tilll about 5 hours or so into the experience, also I the first trip I did not get tired at all the recent 2 I was feeling like I could have slept easily in the first 2 hours. Also has anyone noticed the toll it takes on your tummy, I know I get terrible gas and just a uncontrollable rumbling, what can I do to fix that?? I usually eat something but eating is not reallyu good until you start feeling the intense effects residing, or when the city that was just built in your head is being demo'ed. I don't know but i think next time with the DOC is going to be 6 mg and I think that will be final, I see new things every time no matter what, I have never seen the same thing twice, the only thing I get every time is that metallic sound of something trying to land , like a frequency, I think that is IT, or at least the beginning stage of IT, I am also hearing there are portals that can be found here with the DOC anyone experience that yet??

 

[CastorTroy]

I want to know how a 2mg trip is a mood enhancer

I don't know. I am not too experience with tripping, I've only done it a handful of times. And I typically have a low tolerance to drugs. I get real high off of .15g 'beasters'. But 2mg of DOC really was basically just a 'mood-enhancer' for me.

 

[sub-di]

If a friend took 2.5mg and it lasted approx 12 hours, definitely not anything close to 20 or 24, is it likely that he ingested DOC? I dont know how shady his source is, about the mg or chem. Thanks for the comedown advice too.

I investigated the source very thouroughly...I was sceptical, but I asked a lot of questions and got all the right answers (eventually got into a deep discussion on DMT and the "Spirit Molecule" theory). This person knows his shit (he really, really knows his shit, that's all I'm gonna say for implication reasons).

My buddy has been very sensitive to psychedelics, particularly the phens since he was put on Prozac (I know, I know, he shouldn't be using these drugs at all, but at least he's off meth now.)

16mg of 2C-I kicks his ass big time for at least 8 hours, 12 hours total...I'm not surprised a small dose of DOC got him going for so long. So even though I haven't requested a lab analysis, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that this was DOC and not DOI...several other people didn't trip nearly as long off the same batch. My buddy is a rare mutant

I will attest also that, especially if you're already worn out from being up for a long time and/or on other drugs, sleep is definately possible on this substance.

 

[hypnoticzzz2003]

Yes you need to sleep before the DOC, I had taken tabs and DOC afterwards and was up for a near 36 hours