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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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rollinstoner said:
its in a medicine bottle and looks to be about 6-10 drops of clear liquid with supposevly 2mg of DOC, i have no way of measuring it. i wish it was in powder form.
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kris, its 2ml of water, with 2mg of DOC, dont take drops on your tongue. drink the whole thing. [No self incrimination]
 
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A public internet forum might not be the best place for this discussion, doods.
 
If you're unsure, dilute the whole thing to 100ml & just try 10ml of that (1/10th of the dose). If it's 4mg, then you'll get a 400ug (0.4mg dose). Should you get anything other than a mild response from 1/10th of the dose, then you know that there's more than 4mg in there (0.4mg should produce quite a mild response. Even if it's fucked up and there's something like 20mg in the 2ml, 1/10th of that would be 2mg - that'll be a full trip, but at least you will not have ingested a 'go to hospital, do not pass GO (do not collect £200!)' sort of dose
 
So I've been doing research on DOC and I stumbled across this forum and thread last night (it was linked to Wikipedia lol); swim has a little DOC and I'm not sure if I should try it. I'm an experienced tripper with plant based chems and lsd, but I'm wary of rc's because theyre so new and they might not be as ok on your brain. So basically I'm asking if anyone has felt like this chem has had long term 'negative' effects on your head, do you feel like it lessened you in any aspects? Ever experience report makes DOC sound simply divine-- and I believe them 100%, but I'm just wary of feeling like I come out of the trip with "less" than I began with. Acid kinda did that to me, nothings ever quite quite been the same. No regrets though, just more caution. So, what do you guys think?
 
You should ask the folks here who have tried DOC that very same question again in like 2 or 3 years.
 
I'm assuming sarcasm, first of all, hehe...

NAC members have been studied pretty extensively recently, and there are no noticable side effects. Given the context of their communities, often times the peyote users are mentally *healthier*. No such study has been done for DMT, or 4-ho-dmt... but there are groups of people that can at least be studied over decades of use. DOC doesn't have such people.

I'm not suggesting that DOC is unhealthy, simply that if it were (in the long term) we'd be much less likely know... as only a few users like shulgin (and apparently he used it, like all his chemicals very few times) could be studied.
 
otacon451 said:
Ever experience report makes DOC sound simply divine-- and I believe them 100%, QUOTE]

Then you haven't researched very thoroughly at all have you. Many are positive (some ridiculously so IMO) others point to mania and other undesirable side effects. In general though if you like the physical effects from amphetamine you should be alright. Start low !




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otacon451 said:
So I've been doing research on DOC and I stumbled across this forum and thread last night (it was linked to Wikipedia lol); swim has a little DOC and I'm not sure if I should try it. I'm an experienced tripper with plant based chems and lsd, but I'm wary of rc's because theyre so new and they might not be as ok on your brain. So basically I'm asking if anyone has felt like this chem has had long term 'negative' effects on your head, do you feel like it lessened you in any aspects? Ever experience report makes DOC sound simply divine-- and I believe them 100%, but I'm just wary of feeling like I come out of the trip with "less" than I began with. Acid kinda did that to me, nothings ever quite quite been the same. No regrets though, just more caution. So, what do you guys think?
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Well, if you want to get technical, MDMA is in the same camp as all the other phenethylamines along with DOC, 2C-I, etc (not that we're talking about E, just using for comparison purposes). There are 20-year ecstasy users (responsible ones) that are completely healthy, mentally and physically. Shulgin first synthesized some of these so-called research chemicals long before ever trying MDMA and its derivatives. I can see more and more how the label of "RC" can be misleading, as it is a very broad term, and one could argue a whole host of established drugs in our culture may still be classified as research chemicals. If I'm not mistaken, weren't most, if not all, the DOX compounds invented before Shulgin rediscovered MDMA?

That being said we don't have an established base of millions who have used any DO_ compound like we do ecstasy, so it is still hard to judge. But even if only used a few times, Shulgin has sampled compounds from this family of chemicals for decades and is fine. Still not definitive proof, but when dealing with such obscure substances in a culture that demonizes mind altering drugs (unless their beloved government stamps an FDA approval on it) it's difficult to get a definitive answer on anything.

But ultimately if this person who isn't you has some, and at least takes the necessary precautions for a potentially wild ride; it's his/her choice in the end. Use at your own risk. I think it's reasonable to assume that if used responsibly only once or a few times, your risk for damage, either temporary or permanent, is pretty small.
 
davesoviet said:
Or more applicably, 2C-B, DOM and DOB.
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IME, DOC and DOI are both more like mushrooms or HBWR seeds than other psychedelic phenethylamines in their effects. The effects are a lot different from the other phenethylamines I have tried (2c-c, 2c-e, 2c-i, 2c-p, and mescaline). Out of the 2c's, they are most like 2c-c.

DOC and DOI cause little or no physical stimulation IME, even though they are amphetamines. When mixed with other stimulants(nicotine and provigil) they do seem to raise BP and heart rate significantly though. They don't give me any energy either, I have been able to sleep while on DOI on the comedown.
 
DexterMeth said:
yeah..because it's SO different than doing shrooms or mescaline or DMT or something.
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The way the dose is injested may be the same, otherwise the similarities are few - which plant or fungus can DOC be found in?

And, it would be hard to say for sure being that none of us here actually do drugs of any sort.:\
 
Elgr said:
I'm assuming sarcasm, first of all, hehe...

NAC members have been studied pretty extensively recently, and there are no noticable side effects. Given the context of their communities, often times the peyote users are mentally *healthier*. No such study has been done for DMT, or 4-ho-dmt... but there are groups of people that can at least be studied over decades of use. DOC doesn't have such people.

I'm not suggesting that DOC is unhealthy, simply that if it were (in the long term) we'd be much less likely know... as only a few users like shulgin (and apparently he used it, like all his chemicals very few times) could be studied.
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I can't say if Dexter was being sarcstic, but I sure was. And I agree with you. The limited timeline and the self reports by intrepid self explorers means nothing as far as assuming long term safety and health risks posed by this compound. I'm not suggesting DOC is unhealthy; I'm also not suggesting it healthy. I'm saying nobody knows.

The logical conclusion you can draw from unorganized and haphazard self experiementers is that a lot of people like to injest DOC because of it's effects.

(I'm hoping no dumb ass ever post saying they just bought a shit load of dimethylnitrosamine, and because DMN sounds like DMT, they want to know when the trip is gonna start.)
 
what is the NAC?

When I said 'divine' i know i was being overly positive. But, to a point, I consider even a bad trip a good one because I've always confronted the issues that were tormenting me directly and worked through them, thats what I love best about psychedelics is how the aspects of yourself that you are usually so blind to are so starkly apparent. And so far I've made the bad trips into my best ones.

I'm imagining the first dose will be 2.5mg, is that starting low?

Sub-di, thats the general direction my thoughts are going on this decision.

I've done alot of woodrose and mushrooms, so DOC is pretty close?

I hope I'm not being redundant with any of my questions, but I havent had a chance to skim the 900+ posts in this thread yet. And I will I'm glad I found this forum.
 
otacon451 said:
what is the NAC?

When I said 'divine' i know i was being overly positive. But, to a point, I consider even a bad trip a good one because I've always confronted the issues that were tormenting me directly and worked through them, thats what I love best about psychedelics is how the aspects of yourself that you are usually so blind to are so starkly apparent. And so far I've made the bad trips into my best ones.

I'm imagining the first dose will be 2.5mg, is that starting low?

Sub-di, thats the general direction my thoughts are going on this decision.

I've done alot of woodrose and mushrooms, so DOC is pretty close?

I hope I'm not being redundant with any of my questions, but I havent had a chance to skim the 900+ posts in this thread yet. And I will I'm glad I found this forum.
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Still don't hear anyone in my circles comparing these at all with mushrooms (no experience with woodrose seeds here though). Finally got back to my buddy last night...2 mg gave him for a solid 24 hour trip, with the peak lasting a good 6 hours straight.

One disadvantage to note that he did experience: the comedown was pretty hard. Not surprising, as simple comon sense would dictate that being up for that long feeling that good, coming back to reality is going to be extra hard. At least have a shit-tone of good chronic (won't need it during most of your trip, save it for the comedown), and if you can compliment that with some benzos or pain killers you'll be set. But again, wait for the comedown, you won't need anything during.
 
sub-di said:
Still don't hear anyone in my circles comparing these at all with mushrooms (no experience with woodrose seeds here though). Finally got back to my buddy last night...2 mg gave him for a solid 24 hour trip, with the peak lasting a good 6 hours straight.
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If a friend took 2.5mg and it lasted approx 12 hours, definitely not anything close to 20 or 24, is it likely that he ingested DOC? I dont know how shady his source is, about the mg or chem. Thanks for the comedown advice too.
 
With a dose that size the primary effects, for me, last around 12 hours. Then it trails off very slowly for quite some time.

You aren't really going to know without testing it somehow, but thats a reasonable length of action for DOC.

The length of action is going to vary with the dose somewhat. On 6mg I was pretty much tripping for a whole day, and felt "off" a large portion of the next.
 
BreakingSet said:
And, it would be hard to say for sure being that none of us here actually do drugs of any sort.:\
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good point. this is all just speculation based off some literature i had to go over for an exam in school.
i was just pointing out, they are still just phenethylamines...i know each phen is different..but still.
and i thought mescal was a phen.

ps - i know DMT and shrooms are tryps. i was just being an ass.. like saying "they're all either trypts or phens. so what makes DOx's so fucking different?"
 
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