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The Official NCAA Football 2005 thread
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hashish2020
Bluelighter
shameless said:
Ha---I was raised in cricket---I'm from an Indian family
But really---I like sports with balls and endurance
If I wanted skill I'd watch darts and snooker, or archery
smotpoker
Bluelighter
Why are football players meatheads?
looks more and more like a usc vs. texas rose bowl.
current predictions-
pac10-usc
big10-damned if i know... well, the winner of um-osu
sec- i'll take the gators
acc- i'd love to say fsu, but i'll go with vtech over fsu in the championship game
big12-texas
leinhart wins the heisman BUT vince young and the longhorns take the title(probably not, but i'd like to see it)
couple interesting scenarios playing out... the pac10 seems to be getting stronger, sec/acc weakening a bit, the big10 was overated from the seasons begining and the big12 is as strong as ever. couple good games this weekend-
lsu-tennessee i'll take the tigers
vtech gtech- i'll take the hoakies, defense is too strong
and usc gets it's first true test with oregon(i think)
i think i'm missing one... i'll have to look it up in the morning.
current predictions-
pac10-usc
big10-damned if i know... well, the winner of um-osu
sec- i'll take the gators
acc- i'd love to say fsu, but i'll go with vtech over fsu in the championship game
big12-texas
leinhart wins the heisman BUT vince young and the longhorns take the title(probably not, but i'd like to see it)
couple interesting scenarios playing out... the pac10 seems to be getting stronger, sec/acc weakening a bit, the big10 was overated from the seasons begining and the big12 is as strong as ever. couple good games this weekend-
lsu-tennessee i'll take the tigers
vtech gtech- i'll take the hoakies, defense is too strong
and usc gets it's first true test with oregon(i think)
i think i'm missing one... i'll have to look it up in the morning.
Lots of season left...but damn...USC was unbelievable on Saturday night. Watching them score once every 2 plays was a sight to behold...especially Reggie's first 2 touches equaling TDs.
Good win for the Bruins, though I felt they could've taken the game earlier if they just threw downfield more rather than try to keep running into 8-man boxes. Junior Taylor's injury didn't look too bad at first but the second replay showed what was a horrific knee-bend in the opposite direction. After seeing that I immediately thought his year was over, and it is.
Now the Bruins must see if their untested WR corps can shine this year. I liked what I saw from Cowan and Everett...and there's still Marcedes, who should be getting a lot more looks than he's had so far this year. I expect more designed plays to him in the coming weeks.
And Drew Olson...DREW OLSON! Can it be true? Has he finally realized the potential of being the QB UCLA was hoping for when he first signed on as a hot shot prospect? I've never seen him look this good and it scares me. I'll be knocking on wood all season long in hopes of him continuing his success into the Pac-10 season.
The defense, while spotty at times, really shined with those two monster forced fumbles by Dennis Keyes (I'm still smiling over that crushing hit on Bomar...the beauty of the situation is he's supposed to be the backup to Chris Horton) and the solid play of the heart and soul of this unit...the linebackers. Justin London and Spencer Havner both played well, but the D as a whole really need to sharpen their first tackle attempts if they're to make a serious run this year. It was a great effort against Peterson, but they helped give Bomar confidence through the passing game. I'm hoping that confidence grows and OU bounces back in the Big-12. It'd be especially sweet if they could still beat Texas in this rebuilding season.
Good win for the Bruins, though I felt they could've taken the game earlier if they just threw downfield more rather than try to keep running into 8-man boxes. Junior Taylor's injury didn't look too bad at first but the second replay showed what was a horrific knee-bend in the opposite direction. After seeing that I immediately thought his year was over, and it is.
Now the Bruins must see if their untested WR corps can shine this year. I liked what I saw from Cowan and Everett...and there's still Marcedes, who should be getting a lot more looks than he's had so far this year. I expect more designed plays to him in the coming weeks.
And Drew Olson...DREW OLSON! Can it be true? Has he finally realized the potential of being the QB UCLA was hoping for when he first signed on as a hot shot prospect? I've never seen him look this good and it scares me. I'll be knocking on wood all season long in hopes of him continuing his success into the Pac-10 season.
The defense, while spotty at times, really shined with those two monster forced fumbles by Dennis Keyes (I'm still smiling over that crushing hit on Bomar...the beauty of the situation is he's supposed to be the backup to Chris Horton) and the solid play of the heart and soul of this unit...the linebackers. Justin London and Spencer Havner both played well, but the D as a whole really need to sharpen their first tackle attempts if they're to make a serious run this year. It was a great effort against Peterson, but they helped give Bomar confidence through the passing game. I'm hoping that confidence grows and OU bounces back in the Big-12. It'd be especially sweet if they could still beat Texas in this rebuilding season.
Benefit
Bluelighter
LapDawg said:
I want to know what they did with the real Drew Olson. I suspect this one is a product of the Cybernetics Department at UCLA, and the real Drew Olson is being held captive in a basement in Royce Hall or something, kind of like the time Carlton got stuck in a big bird cage on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
last night i watched some of this so called ' football ' it was well shit. i thought i would give it a go, fuck me, what's all that about? jesus christ, no wonder that shit aint caught on. quite frankley you're wellcome to it. propper gay.
Benefit
Bluelighter
Right, and cricket is a much more advanced sport. You know a sport has potential when all the players are wearing large puffy sweater vests.
cravNbeets
Bluelighter
smotpoker said:
i'll field that one
~absence of what is commonly referred to as a neck
~tendency to use the words, "dude, bro, and seriously" in that order and presenting it as an actual sentence
~all that ass slapping with no "release"
a couple of questions for some of the regulars here.
can you make an intelligent argument for the big 10 being the toughest conference after this year's nonconference performance?
lapdawg: would you agree that the bruins win was less a win and more of an OU meltdown? seems that team is going nowhere fast and will likely be unranked once the big 12 has had its way w/ them.... they'll still prolly roll texas though
is a team like louisville going to get a bcs shot if they indeed win out and do so by hanging 50+ on their opponents?
yeah including losing to iowa in 4 days. i'm still very concerned about the offence's ability to produce consistently. stand out players aside, they lack a work-horse tail back and a dependable tight end receiver; two things i feel are sorely needed in the type of offense tressel likes to run.
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smotpoker
Bluelighter
We will not lose to Iowa. And yeah, the Big 10 might not have the best record of non conference teams, but then again, we aren't playing Hawaii or Arkansas either, are we?
Dude, bro, seriously: ONLY IN SOUTHERN CAL!(SURFER TALK)
Ass slapping? Funny, I see that in EVERY sport, not just football.
And I hope the Big 10 isn't the toughest conference. Hell, I hope USC actually plays someone good FOR A CHANGE, cause the Pac 10 ain't shit.
If ASU or UCLA or OREGON can beat USC, I'll be very happy. If not, then I guess the Buckeyes will have to do it in the Rose Bowl. Yes, I said the Buckeyes. Why? Because Texas will lose to Oklahoma this year. Why will they lose to OU? Because they're Texas!
Dude, bro, seriously: ONLY IN SOUTHERN CAL!(SURFER TALK)
Ass slapping? Funny, I see that in EVERY sport, not just football.
And I hope the Big 10 isn't the toughest conference. Hell, I hope USC actually plays someone good FOR A CHANGE, cause the Pac 10 ain't shit.
If ASU or UCLA or OREGON can beat USC, I'll be very happy. If not, then I guess the Buckeyes will have to do it in the Rose Bowl. Yes, I said the Buckeyes. Why? Because Texas will lose to Oklahoma this year. Why will they lose to OU? Because they're Texas!
^useless comments such as the example above should prove to you readers out there that some people just can't face facts and have to live in their own dream world.
If you're still clinging to "The pac-10 ain't shit" and "I hope USC actually plays someone good for a change" you probably don't know shit about college football. You might have passion for the team you love, but that doesn't necessarily equate to football knowledge and/or intelligence.
Remember that comparison you made w/ Teddy Ginn and Reggie Bush? Oooh that was a real good one...considering Bush can do everything Ginn does (except better) and is also the featured running back on the best team in the land. Ginn? Oh he's still hovering in that place called "trying to realize his potential".
Let's look at USC's stats after about 5 minutes of play against an SEC opponent: 8 plays, 256 yards, 4TDs. You can have your silly opinions. I'll take cold, hard facts....like the beatdowns USC has handed to opponents all over the country during their reign of supremacy, including your beloved Big-10. Funny how the history-setting No.1 team's most competitive games in the past 2 years have been in the Pac-10, isn't it?
On the first quoted comment...dude, like that really has anything to do with football players being meatheads bro...seriously. Maybe a better reason would be universities that put football first in front of things like receiving a proper education...something schools in California have no problem doing, while other big name programs seem to have serious issues with that. I'm looking at you, Ohio. :D
As for the second question...I don't agree, but I understand where you're coming from. UCLA did play a sloppy game overall, and Oklahoma's defense came out strong and determined to give themselves a chance to win. Let's also realize this was by far the Sooners' best overall offensive performance, partially due to the fact that UCLA was completely focused on just stopping Peterson, which they did. Their weakness is in the secondary where they're still young, and it showed.
This was also Oklahoma's most spirited effort this season, and somehow it was still a 17-point loss. I don't think you can say they lost the game as opposed to the Bruins winning it, since they only led near the beginning of the game and once they lost the lead, they never regained it. And while UCLA did catch a big break with the muffed punt, the two other turnovers they forced that resulted in scores were because they created them, not because OU fumbled it away. Keyes blasted both Peterson and Bomar with big-time hits and with them created lots of momentum. Like I said previously, I don't think OU would've been in the game for long had UCLA attempted more downfield passes early since it was working all game long. I think Dorell's conservative approach w/ Olson held them back in the first half, but once they finally wore down that tough Sooner D, it was pretty much an easy ride for the offense.
Stoops obviously had his team pumped up last weekend to try and prove the critics wrong, but even that wasn't enough. They can take away a lot of positives from this game, if only because the season has been such a downer so far. The talent is there...that is clear, but their inexperience and inability to protect the football shouldn't take away from what the Bruins accomplished (just like when UCLA beat the Buckeyes in their last meeting which involved fumbles galore :D). At no point did Oklahoma show they were in control of the game...and as such there's no strong reason to say they lost the game as opposed to the Bruins winning it.
Final comment goes to shameless, who should probably understand that just watching a single football game (and not even say which game it was) isn't going to just convince you why it's the greatest sport in the world. You have to understand the level of strategy (unparalleled in any other sport) and the amount of intensity and passion that is created within football stadiums across the country. It's easy to watch something on TV and dismiss it as crap. The same could be said about world football, rugby, cricket, tennis, baseball, ice hockey, basketball, cycling, etc. etc. etc. when you place it in a context that involves limited knowledge of the sport and its history. With that said, your ignorance is noted.
If you're still clinging to "The pac-10 ain't shit" and "I hope USC actually plays someone good for a change" you probably don't know shit about college football. You might have passion for the team you love, but that doesn't necessarily equate to football knowledge and/or intelligence.
Remember that comparison you made w/ Teddy Ginn and Reggie Bush? Oooh that was a real good one...considering Bush can do everything Ginn does (except better) and is also the featured running back on the best team in the land. Ginn? Oh he's still hovering in that place called "trying to realize his potential".
Let's look at USC's stats after about 5 minutes of play against an SEC opponent: 8 plays, 256 yards, 4TDs. You can have your silly opinions. I'll take cold, hard facts....like the beatdowns USC has handed to opponents all over the country during their reign of supremacy, including your beloved Big-10. Funny how the history-setting No.1 team's most competitive games in the past 2 years have been in the Pac-10, isn't it?
cravNbeets said:
On the first quoted comment...dude, like that really has anything to do with football players being meatheads bro...seriously. Maybe a better reason would be universities that put football first in front of things like receiving a proper education...something schools in California have no problem doing, while other big name programs seem to have serious issues with that. I'm looking at you, Ohio. :D
As for the second question...I don't agree, but I understand where you're coming from. UCLA did play a sloppy game overall, and Oklahoma's defense came out strong and determined to give themselves a chance to win. Let's also realize this was by far the Sooners' best overall offensive performance, partially due to the fact that UCLA was completely focused on just stopping Peterson, which they did. Their weakness is in the secondary where they're still young, and it showed.
This was also Oklahoma's most spirited effort this season, and somehow it was still a 17-point loss. I don't think you can say they lost the game as opposed to the Bruins winning it, since they only led near the beginning of the game and once they lost the lead, they never regained it. And while UCLA did catch a big break with the muffed punt, the two other turnovers they forced that resulted in scores were because they created them, not because OU fumbled it away. Keyes blasted both Peterson and Bomar with big-time hits and with them created lots of momentum. Like I said previously, I don't think OU would've been in the game for long had UCLA attempted more downfield passes early since it was working all game long. I think Dorell's conservative approach w/ Olson held them back in the first half, but once they finally wore down that tough Sooner D, it was pretty much an easy ride for the offense.
Stoops obviously had his team pumped up last weekend to try and prove the critics wrong, but even that wasn't enough. They can take away a lot of positives from this game, if only because the season has been such a downer so far. The talent is there...that is clear, but their inexperience and inability to protect the football shouldn't take away from what the Bruins accomplished (just like when UCLA beat the Buckeyes in their last meeting which involved fumbles galore :D). At no point did Oklahoma show they were in control of the game...and as such there's no strong reason to say they lost the game as opposed to the Bruins winning it.
Final comment goes to shameless, who should probably understand that just watching a single football game (and not even say which game it was) isn't going to just convince you why it's the greatest sport in the world. You have to understand the level of strategy (unparalleled in any other sport) and the amount of intensity and passion that is created within football stadiums across the country. It's easy to watch something on TV and dismiss it as crap. The same could be said about world football, rugby, cricket, tennis, baseball, ice hockey, basketball, cycling, etc. etc. etc. when you place it in a context that involves limited knowledge of the sport and its history. With that said, your ignorance is noted.
cravNbeets
Bluelighter
ld perhaps i misused the word melt down. how about ucla beat a pretty sub par football team. a 1 dimensional offensive unit that coughed up the football way too many times to stay competative
i dont wanna slight your boys and i know you're the last cat to homer up... but after losing loads of talent to the draft it looks like the sooners are gonna be having a pretty 'off' season
i dont wanna slight your boys and i know you're the last cat to homer up... but after losing loads of talent to the draft it looks like the sooners are gonna be having a pretty 'off' seasonCDMills
Bluelighter
USC is just a bunch of world class athletes. (period)
no other college football team can say that.
no other college football team can say that.
Pander Bear
Bluelight Crew
Lap Dawg, USC is the best program in the country, no contest. Can you concede, however, that it would be really nice if they happened to play in a conference where they routinely saw teams in the Top ten of a poll?
I'm not saying that the trojans couldn't hold it together playing Ohio state, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, VT, Georgia, Iowa, Et al. Doesn't it irk you that a team with so much talent is playing knock downs like hawaii, and tepid teams like Oregon?
I'm not saying that the trojans couldn't hold it together playing Ohio state, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, VT, Georgia, Iowa, Et al. Doesn't it irk you that a team with so much talent is playing knock downs like hawaii, and tepid teams like Oregon?
cravNbeets
Bluelighter
no one is going to be happy until USC plays a formidable opponent and loses. unfortunately for east coast purists, USC is loaded and is unlikely to stumble.
i love how ld ends up being the token USC apologist taking on the legions of pissed off big ten fans. he's not even a trojans fan, just an objective and informed fan of the game
i love how ld ends up being the token USC apologist taking on the legions of pissed off big ten fans. he's not even a trojans fan, just an objective and informed fan of the game
Pander Bear
Bluelight Crew
I'm actually just a pissed off SEC fan. Its tillhard to remain objectie when the golden boys are set to play washington state rather than go up against a top 5 conference team at teams in the ACC, SEC, or big ten do just about every year.
If you take the top tier teams in the ACC/SEC and Big 10 they really don't have that much harder of an in-conference schedule than usc does. The Big 10 had a stellar 0-3 OOC record the week before last and the ACC if you look at vtech, the only team they would have to play to win their division is really miami/gtech, they would probably meet f.state in the conference finals, but fsu hasn't looked that strong either. and then the sec is a bit funny this year. i think they are a bit overrated. tennessee has looked bad in two games, lsu is undecided(got a bit of luck against asu) and uf seems to be the best in the conference. georgia barely holds on against usc who usc goes on and gets shelled by alabama. the sec will beat itself up like it always does and end up with 4-5 top25 teams. just like the acc will, the pac10 and the big10(not convinced about the big12).
usc goes @nd @asu @cal and ucla at home. not much of a cake walk.
usc goes @nd @asu @cal and ucla at home. not much of a cake walk.
as of now, I see 5 pac-10 teams in the top 25, though there might just be four since USC will probably beat the Ducks. Belotti's boys have a good shot at home, but it'll take an unbelievable effort by their defense to make it happen.
cravn - I see your point and I agree that OU certainly isn't the same team. The thing is this was still a big game for UCLA, in terms of proving they can handle a program that has clout and showing that they're back from 3 years of mediocrity. The schedule features a lot of tough games...mostly at home w/ Wazzu and USC being the toughest road games.
Funny you bring up Wazzu atlas, because until last season the Cougars were one of the top 5 teams in terms of team record over the past 5 years. They've been ranked in the top 25...heck even the top 10. Maybe you don't remember, but USC beat them when they were in the top 10, like they did against Cal last season. In fact, when a conference can boast the fact that every team in it has made a top 25 appearance within the last 6 years, that just speaks of how deep the Pac-10 can be.
And I'm not really sure why you think USC plays cupcake schedules. Wasn't trashing Auburn AT AUBURN something to note? What about 3 consecutive blowout bowl victories against three solid programs in Iowa, Michigan, and Oklahoma? SEC fans love to live off their supposed superiority and ranking, but really that's just a product of east coast bias and a lack of respect for west coast ball. Guess what? The champions play on this side of the country, and when this season's done, they very well may be (and in my opinion would be) the GREATEST TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. That must be tough to swallow for any east coaster who can't fathom how teams out here can be so good and have to make up reasons to think they aren't.
cravn - I see your point and I agree that OU certainly isn't the same team. The thing is this was still a big game for UCLA, in terms of proving they can handle a program that has clout and showing that they're back from 3 years of mediocrity. The schedule features a lot of tough games...mostly at home w/ Wazzu and USC being the toughest road games.
Funny you bring up Wazzu atlas, because until last season the Cougars were one of the top 5 teams in terms of team record over the past 5 years. They've been ranked in the top 25...heck even the top 10. Maybe you don't remember, but USC beat them when they were in the top 10, like they did against Cal last season. In fact, when a conference can boast the fact that every team in it has made a top 25 appearance within the last 6 years, that just speaks of how deep the Pac-10 can be.
And I'm not really sure why you think USC plays cupcake schedules. Wasn't trashing Auburn AT AUBURN something to note? What about 3 consecutive blowout bowl victories against three solid programs in Iowa, Michigan, and Oklahoma? SEC fans love to live off their supposed superiority and ranking, but really that's just a product of east coast bias and a lack of respect for west coast ball. Guess what? The champions play on this side of the country, and when this season's done, they very well may be (and in my opinion would be) the GREATEST TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. That must be tough to swallow for any east coaster who can't fathom how teams out here can be so good and have to make up reasons to think they aren't.
L O V E L I F E
Bluelighter
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Anyone who can't concede that USC is by leaps and bounds the best team in the country should be prohibited from ever being taken seriously when discussing sports.
Anyone who can't concede that USC is by leaps and bounds the best team in the country should be prohibited from ever being taken seriously when discussing sports.
smotpoker
Bluelighter
And let's talk about fan loyalty.... Something USC fans don't know anything about.
I was watching the game against Arkansas and there were EMPTY seats!!!
The so called best team in college football can't even sell out there own stadium!!!!!! Talk about sad!
In fact, USC very rarely sells out.
I was watching the game against Arkansas and there were EMPTY seats!!!
The so called best team in college football can't even sell out there own stadium!!!!!! Talk about sad!
In fact, USC very rarely sells out.