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B0TTR0P said:
ANDREW STRAUSS

KEVIN PIETERSEN

ANDREW FLINTOFF

STEVE HARMISON

Remember those names.

Prepare to face destruction.

We have been waiting...
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Remember these names

Ricky Ponting

Adam Gilchrist

Glen Mcgrath

Shane Warne

Damien Martyn

Michael Clarke

Jason Gillespie

Justin Langer

Matthew Hayden

Simon Katich

....oh you only have 4 players..
 
What the hell am I going to do if ABC don't end up televising the Ashes. This will be a catastrophe of unprecedented proportions.
 
Ricky Ponting - Looks like Hamster.

Adam Gilchrist - Big ears. Bit of a dork. Dumb voice.

Glen Mcgrath - Old man.

Shane Warne - Old man. Fat. Possible Batty Boy.

Damien Martyn - Yawn!

Michael Clarke - Untested on English wickets.

Jason Gillespie - Getting on a bit.

Justin Langer - Andrew Strauss clone. Just not as good.

Matthew Hayden - Big oaf who got lucky.

Simon Katich - Yeah right.


You lot have got no chance. Give up now.

We have our flag on your flag.

How does that feel?


Yeah thought so.

Quite annoying.
 
Quick, let's pick on physical features of great sportsmen (some of which aren't even valid any longer) because they play better cricket than poms!

...

And quick, we're better than you because you're still a monarchy! Shall we point out the physical flaws of your royal family to even things out?

It's a sad day for true cricket lovers when someone has to resort to picking on someone's voice because he's the best wicket keeper in history and Geraint Jones isn't :\
 
"Quick, let's pick on physical features of great sportsmen (some of which aren't even valid any longer) because they play better cricket than poms!"


- Why are they no longer valid? Has Shane Warne finally had that breast reduction job he's been so longing for. News to me.



"And quick, we're better than you because you're still a monarchy! Shall we point out the physical flaws of your royal family to even things out?"


- Anachronistic institutions such as 'monarchy' are fairly standard in countries with a cultural history that goes further back than when Charlene married Scott in Neighbours.



"It's a sad day for true cricket lovers when someone has to resort to picking on someone's voice because he's the best wicket keeper in history and Geraint Jones isn't :\"

- Geraint Jones is a twat. He must be. His parents are Welsh and he spent his first 22 years living in Australia. What a combo! Seem to have us confused with New Zealand, bucko. Nasty.

- Gilchrist isn't the best keeper ever.


We're going to pummel you into submission.

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Glichrist isn't the best keeper ever?

Have you seen his statitistics? He has more dismissals, stumpings, catches and etc. than Ian Healy or Rod Marsh.

On top of this, he's the most destructive batter the world has seen.

If you are talking about his technique, fair enough he looks "chunky" or whatever but he's pretty tall compared to other keepers.

Now come back when you actually have real arguments that just might take more than a second to counter.
 
B0TTR0P, I hate the Australian sporting teams as much as any pom, but all I can say is you guys keep making the sports up and our country will keep flogging you at them.
 
Zandesh, Gilly is no where near the best wicketkeeper ever. He has nowhere near as many catches and stumpings are Healy and Marsh. Statistically Healy is the best/most successful wicketkeeper in history. Healy also made Test and One Day centuries. I would regard Healy as the best keeper ever as he had to keep to Warne when warn was at his best turning the ball an incredible amount. As far as wicketkeeping goes, Gilly is no slouch but is a long long way from being considered one of the greatest wicketkeepers to play the game. He can be considered one of the greatest batsmen-keepers to ever play though. Gilchrist's batting skills are far superior to his keeping skills and thats essentially why he took over from Healy because his batting was far superior to Healy's.
Gilchrist should be considered a batsman-wicketkeeper and not a wicketkeeper-batsman as he is basically selected for his batting. Over the last number of years Australia has had far superior keepers to Gilchrist such as Darren Berry (obviously now retired) and many would argue that Wade Seccombe from QLD is a better keeper than Gilly but he is much like Healy in relation to his batting.
The day of the specialist keeper is gone (unfortunately) as shown by the fact that Haddin is next in line for keeping honours in the Aussie team when Seccombe is a much better keeper but again Haddin is a very good batsman.

The English seem to be getting very carried away with themselves and their recent series win. They beat South Africa......wow. At the moment South Africa are probably only appropriate competition for Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. Australia has now flogged everyone. I think the Ashes will be a great series, the most competitive in a long time but for anyone to consider England anything but an underdog they would need their head read.

And Bottrop I don't really give 2 shits about the appearance of the Australian team, they are still the world champions in both forms of the game. Also I fail to see how Langer is a Strauss clone, Langer has been around a lot longer than Strauss. Clarke may be untested on English pitches but Strauss is also untested against the Aussies as is most the English team and those who have played the aussies still carry many mental scars. Looking forward to the series, will be great viewing.

Beech out
 
Beech, I am very very certain that I read in The Daily Telegraph that Gilchrist does have more catches and stumpings than healy and marsh.

Mind you, I never thought Gilly will replace healy in my heart, but he has now.
 
^^^Nope. Just think about how long Healy played for Australia and how long Gilly has played for Australia. Healy played over 100 tests.
Gilly not even close to having as many dismissals as Heals.
 
Okay you got me there, here are the stats I was talking about :

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Compare his test dismissals to matches played, and he's better than Healy.
 
wow this twenty/20 format is pretty exciting stuff!! Gee ponting can certainly hit some great shots, unfortunate not to get his 100. anyone else watching? 5/214 massive score!!
 
Its not that simple Zandesh. You can't base a keeper purely on that sort of stat. These days Australia takes a lot of wickets as caught behinds due to the style of play and bowling meaning more dismissals for the keeper. Its too simplistic to base the quality of a keeper on a relatively meaningless stat. Its kind of like saying West Indies are shit because they got pumped by Australia so therefore they have no good batsment. Which is clearly not the case.

I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion but really I think its a very uninformed opinion if you think Gilly is a better keeper than Healy was. I'm talking purely about wicketkeeping here, not talking about batting ability, I'm talking about the work behind the stumps. It could be argued guys like Wally Grout were better than Healy but I never got to see him play but from what I here he was pretty amazing but really in terms of actual wicketkeeping Gilly is not brilliant but is still very good. I would rate Boucher from Sth Africa as a better keeper than Gilly and even Alec Stewart from England was better than Gilly in his day.
Still Gilly is a legend and a very good batsman-keeper but a long long way from being the best keeper in the world and/or ever.

Beech out
 
^^^ I have to agree.
There is no denying that Gilcrhist is the best player we have ever had in that position with what he brings to the team, i guess it comes down to your interpretation of Wicketkeeper. The abiltiy to keep wicket or the overall contibution to the team while playing that position.

As far as Healy is concerned i think he was a better glove man than Gilchrist though it's not hard to see why Gillie might top him in the Wickets per test stats. When Healy made his test debut Warne was still 3 yrs off making his and McGrath 5. Gilchrist has played all his tests with one of the best bowling line up's going around used by very attacking captains.

Btw just a bit of statistical trivia, with Gilcrhist at 280 dismissals, 70 or exactly a quater of those have been Mcgrath.
 
^^^^My point exactly. Healy was playing when Australia didn't have the best bowling attack in the world. I think you make a very good point NM in terms of overall contribution to the team. I don't think Gilchrist's keeping has ever cost Australia a game but his batting has certainly won Australia a number of games. So his overall contribution to the team is quite high. So I guess you could say Gilchrist is of more value to the team that Healy has been. Still it irks me though when experts pick their 'team of the century' or 'greatest team ever' sort of thing and they select Gilchrist as keeper for his batting. I think in those sort of sides the best keeper should be picked. I guess I'm just a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to cricket. I still believe that batting should be left to the specialist batsmen and the best keeper as in the most talented glovesman should be selected. However the keeper should still be able to bat a bit as Healy could. The keeper should be able to bat at 7 in my opinion.
I just think its a shame that we are never likely to see another brilliant keeper because we are basically selecting a batsman who can keep to fill the position these days. I hope the game doesn't become too batting orientated over time, there is still more to the game that scoring runs. Maybe one day we will see selectors selecting second rate bowlers because they can bat more than a genuine bowler. Oh wait on we already have these - Shane Watson, Andy Symmonds.
Maybe 1 day we will just basically have allrounders and specialist batsmen.


Beech out
 
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