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I dunno about that, it was party the demise of Martyn that gave rise to Hussey, and I know who I'd prefer have in the side if I had to chose...
 
KB I can't see Flemming ever playing cricket again for Australia. The bloke plays for Nobel Park these days, not fantastic cricket at all.

You don't think Ponting enjoys himself? I think Ponting enjoys winning so he does what it takes to win. Nobody likes losing, least of all the captain of the team. I know your going to say you can be gracious in defeat and I think Ponting is. When we lost to RSA he pointed out we played shit.

Deano fucked himself over because he is a complete wanker. He isn't respected by cricketers today and he wasn't respected by his team when he played. They all saw him for what he was - an arrogant wanker who nobody had any time for. You wanna crucify Ponting for his behaviour, just take a look at Deano's behaviour over his career. If you ever talk privately with someone who played cricket with Deano get them to fill you in on how they honestly feel about him.

Swifty, I hope Martyn returns to Test cricket because he is an excellent batsman but goes pretty unnoticed because of his personality and adversity to the spotlight. I think its unlikely that he will get his spot back but might if Hodge doesn't work out, in which case it would come down to Clarke, Katich and Martyn. I reckon Martyn is best of them at the moment. When Clarke works out that he doesn't know it all then he will make an awesome Test cricketer


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THR I didn't at all say England are soley responsible for bowling bouncers to tailenders. I said it is one tactic that they used heavily to win the Ashes. I also said there is nothing wrong with this tactic. It is legit, within the rules and part of the game. What Chappel did was probably not his most noble act but it was within the rules of the game at the time. So I don't believe you can label Chappel a bad sport for an act he committed within the rules of the game. It was not his finest moment but it won the match which is what he was paid to do and what made him such a good captain - his ruthlessness.
I'm still not overly sure why people think Ponting is a bad sport. He plays hard, within the rules and gets results. I agree he isn't a great captain but I think he is serviceable in his job and I think he will get better.
KB I agree that Flintoff and even Nell are good for the game, good cricketers and good sports. You think Flintoff and Nell are nice lovely charming blokes on the field? They sledge their asses off just like most players, Nell is an absolute prick on the field. Flintoff showed compassion to Lee after he was dismissed in the Ashes series, Ponting may not be that nice, but few players are, Ponting still claps and congratulates an opposition batsman who makes a ton. In my opinion he is a pretty fair player and captain.

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Fuck, did you even listen to what I said? The rules are one set of boundaries, morals and the spirit another. Breaking either is outside the spirit of the game. The rules typically mean less than the spirit. If you don't believe in that, then fuck having you as a teammate or opponent.

As for sledging, that is a part of the game. Everyone can accept that. But at the end of the day, if it comes to making a fair decision, I would put my faith in a lot of other players before I would a lot of Australians.

And yes, I can label Chappell a bad sport because that is exactly what he is. It was within the rules, but it was a cowardly thing to do. He couldn't win by playing fair, so he decided to do something dishonourable and unsportsmanlike. And his name is forever tarnished for that fact, deservedly so.

And I wouldn't give much credence to Ponting clapping someone who scores a century. Who the fuck doesn't do that?
 
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Nobody has really pointed out any valid reasons why Ricky Ponting is such a "bad sport". Don't know what circles you move in THR but Chappel is still one of the most well respected cricketers to have played the game. What he did wasn't a highlight of his career but it was what was required to win the game. I think sportsmanship has its place in sport and I think the Australians are fairly good sports. They play the game exceptionally hard, but within the rules. These aren't just my thoughts, these are the comments the umpires have made too. They say yes they Aussies play hard but they are within the rules. Sportsmanship is shaking hands and not carrying grudges and issues off the field. It is checking to see if a batsman is ok after he cops a bouncer in the head, it is clapping or saying "well done" when a bloke makes a ton.
I don't know what sort of sport you have been involved in throughout your life but the higher you go, the more and more competitive it is and the harder the game is played. Elite sportsmen are there to win, that is the point of competing at the elite level.
I'll admit what Chappel did probably was a bit outside the spirit of the game but that is one incident in an amazing career. I'd say Ponting is a good sport as shown in the Ashes when he agreed to go on the word of the fieldsman as to weather a catch was a catch rather than refering to the 3rd ump for the series. I've seen Ponting take a catch and not been sure whether he got it before it hit the ground and therefore not claim the batsman to be out. Sportsmanship can broadly be defined in my mind as not cheating.
Anyway I don't think we are going to reach any common ground on our views on chappel or ponting. I just think that ponting has become a bit of an easy target since losing the Ashes.

On another note the Aussies just flogged South Africa. Brett Lee was on fire with the ball, some pretty awesome fast bowling, McGrath was his usual misely self and Jaques batted pretty well. Shaping up to be a great series with points being fairly level. I still tip an Aussie V South Africa final as it seems the Sri Lankans are a bit too inconsistent even with the great Tom Moody at the healm.


Beech
 
I still cannot believe you can defend Chappell with the mindset that winning is all that matters. If that is your defense, all I can say is a big merry fuck off.
 
Why you getting so fired up mate? I'm not defending him by saying winning is everything. As you'll notice I said in last post that it probably was outside the spirit of the game. Its incredibly narrow minded to hold that 1 event against him and define him by that one act. He was a great cricketer, one of the greatest to play the game. You can't hold one incident over someone forever. If this was the case then there would be no "good sports" at all in any sport. Even Mr Squeaky Clean Gilly has his odd bad moment but we don't hold that against him because he generally plays the game the way it should be - Hard and fair.
Maybe we come from very different backgrounds when it comes down to sport. I learnt through playing various sports at high levels that you do everything you can to support your team and ensure success. Its what elite sport is about. You don't train 4-5 times a week to go out in competition and give the opposition an inch. You do everything within the rules to support your team. Its just the way I was bought up. I don't believe sport should be like this at all levels but at an elite level it is. Social sport is great and obviously less serious and should be treated that way. Not everyone is "playing for sheep stations" but at elite level you are playing for your position in a team you love, with teammates who are like family and playing to win, even moreso if your a professional who is being paid.


Beech
 
Mate, that is indicative of his career. That was his defining moment. It speaks more of him as a player than his record ever will.
 
THR, fair enough, its your choice to define him by one act. I choose to let his career, talent, results and statistics speak for him.
Maxload, most peole with an appreciation and knowledge of cricket can at the very least acknowledge that Ian Chappel was a very very good cricketer.
Its like Hansie Cronje was a cheat and a bit of a shit bloke but he was a very good cricketer.
Tandulker has been caught ball tampering but everyone still acknowledges he is one of the all time greats, we don't let something minor define him.
The list goes on of cricketers who have done unbecomming things but yeah we don't let em completely define each cricketer.


Beech
 
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I have recently discovered the joys of cricket... while at work over the Christmas/New Year period there wasn't really much else to do but watch it and I have since discovered one of the hottest men I have ever laid eyes on thanks to this great sport
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Its because they are South African:D :D
 
Does anyone know where I can get one of those stick on Boony Moustaches??

Keystroke wants one for when he goes to the cricket next week, but I am not paying $20 for one on ebay! Were they given away with something as a promotion? Does anyone know?
 
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