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the official 2011-12 college football thread! part 1 ver. WHERE IS SMOTPOKER??

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TheLoveBandit said:
Here's a question - how many mid-major conferences can you name? Obviously there is the MAC. And down south we're familiar with the Sun-Belt conference. Still...nationally, the MAC is about the only one well recognized. Says somethin' 'bout 'em, don't it?
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MAC, Sunbelt (thanks to you), and WAC

eh....
 
I was actually thinking about putting the Big Easy on there as a joek too, lol

I know this is a footbaw thread, but their basketball prowess stopped me
 
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is any surprise that Tennessee might be the most corrupt college program, in both basketball and football??
 
Keep.thread.alive....

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College Football and Crime

Pitt was far from the only school with players who had criminal records. The results of the investigation include some striking revelations. Among them:

• Seven percent of the players in the preseason Top 25 -- 204 in all (1 of every 14) -- had been charged with or cited for a crime, including dozens of players with multiple arrests.

• Of the 277 incidents uncovered, nearly 40 percent involved serious offenses, including 56 violent crimes such as assault and battery (25 cases), domestic violence (6), aggravated assault (4), robbery (4) and sex offenses (3). In addition there were 41 charges for property crimes, including burglary and theft and larceny.

• There were more than 105 drug and alcohol offenses, including DUI, drug possession and intent to distribute cocaine.

• Race was not a major factor. In the overall sample, 48 percent of the players were black and 44.5 percent were white. Sixty percent of the players with a criminal history were black and 38 percent were white.

• In cases in which the outcome was known, players were guilty or paid some penalty in nearly 60 percent of the 277 total incidents.
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The Top 25
The number of players on each team in the study who were found to have police records
School 		Players charged SI preseason rank
1. Pittsburgh 		22 	16
2. Iowa 		18 	6
2. Arkansas 		18 	23
4. Boise State 		16 	3
4. Penn State 		16 	19
6. Virginia Tech 	13 	10
7. Wisconsin 		9 	11
7. Oklahoma 		9 	12
7. Florida State 	9 	25
10. Miami 		8 	15
11. Ohio State 		7 	2
11. Florida 		7 	7
11. Oregon 		7 	8
11. USC 		7 	17
15. Alabama 		5 	1
15. North Carolina 	5 	13
15. Cincinnati 		5 	18
15. Utah 		5 	22
19. Nebraska 		4 	9
19. Georgia Tech 	4 	14
19. Oregon State 	4 	20
22. LSU 		3 	21
23. Texas 		2 	4
24. Stanford 		1 	24
25. TCU 		0 	5

I found this when wandering away from Colin Cowherd's recent teaser about a top 10 program going down hard very soon for recruiting violations...where thoughts ran immediately to TN (Kiffin and Pearl, with pending NCAA response)...but I didn't get Cowherd's context to mean top 10 'football' team (recent success implied), program (meaning they could be down for now), or program (meaning primary sports of basketball and football and who knows what else).

I think it's TN at first guess, then 4,3 has me thinking it may be LSU....though if I had to place a bet it would be on Cowherd being a waste of bandwidth, more noise without a point.
 
hahaha, TLB on the illegal activity report like always

do ya'll find it weird to always see Penn State in the top ranks for football and basketball? I mean, you don't hear of many problems, and one would think Joe-Pa would instill some old-school respect out of his players

I guess maybe he's too old to do that anymore lol I just wonder why PSU's thuggery isn't more of a known stat in the realm of college sports
 
axl blaze said:
hahaha, TLB on the illegal activity report like always

do ya'll find it weird to always see Penn State in the top ranks for football and basketball? I mean, you don't hear of many problems, and one would think Joe-Pa would instill some old-school respect out of his players

I guess maybe he's too old to do that anymore lol I just wonder why PSU's thuggery isn't more of a known stat in the realm of college sports
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I've noticed it, but the media doesn't like to report it. You will see all kinds of bias displayed towards different schools and coaches. Paterno is fucking bullet-proof. He gets the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that his players are constantly running wild, and nobody ever hears about it nationwide. If a Miami player gets arrested for smoking weed, it gets on the ESPN ticker. If a Penn State player beats the living shit out of his girlfriend, you will never hear about it.

It used to be the same way for Florida as well, but eventually that arrest record caught up with them. The sad thing is that as long as Paterno is at Penn State, other schools will be stigmatized while Penn State looks clean as a whistle.

Although I really don't care that much. As long as Paterno stays at Penn State (or State Penn, lol), they will be irrelevant. Miami's new coach is a pro at recruiting Pennsylvania and New Jersey, perhaps the only two states in the northeast that are somewhat loaded with football talent.

I think that after a while, you just lose touch. We live in an era where football players are stars before they even get out of high school, with the advent of Rivals and Scout. All of these kids come in with those feelings of invulnerability that most didn't feel till they got to the pros back in JoePa's day. It is tough to handle this attitude, we see coaches struggling with it all over the nation.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I think it's TN at first guess, then 4,3 has me thinking it may be LSU....though if I had to place a bet it would be on Cowherd being a waste of bandwidth, more noise without a point.
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I doubt it is LSU. I wish it was, but with all of the reports other schools gave on Patrick Johnson/Peterson (he was estranged from his father until his recruiting process began, and after his dad secured the money he changed his surname to his dad's instead of his mom's. His little brother, Avery Johnson, is a recruit coming out of the same high school (Pompano Beach/Ely) right now, he committed to LSU the first possible day) I doubt my day will come. I really want to see it happen.

Right now people are pointing at Oregon, but I believe those rumors (internet speculation BS) to be unsubstantiated. Oregon is a relatively educated guess, because they have a shady friend who runs one of those camps that gives kids the exposure they need to become 5 stars, and stories have been coming out through semi-legitimate media that he has a history of pushing kids to wherever Chip Kelley is coaching. I don't know if any of this is true. It's mostly speculation.

If the NCAA is having trouble with the Newton scandal, then I doubt they will nail LSU anytime soon. I was optimistic that they would finally clean the dirt out of college football for a period of time, but I now see they are the same incompetent fucks who took 5 years to deliberate on Reggie Bush, and gave USC way more sanctions than they deserved considering the circumstances.

The NCAA needs to focus on schools that pay players to go there (Auburn and LSU so far, probably the entire SEC aside from Florida and Vandy), not on these agents (USC) (UNC is a more serious situation, when word gets out that an assistant coach at a school will get you an early payday, it brings an unfair competitive advantage) and kids using their celebrity to make a few bucks on the side and get tattoos (OSU).

Although I believe I will feel a little conflicted about my school with Golden in there. He seems like a class act, but considering most of the south east seems to be paying kids to come to their school, I think there is a possibility Miami may go down that road. All a major program has to do is say word and the boosters will go wild with gifts for the kids. I think there is a possibility that Meyer finally caved in to this in his final recruiting year, where he retired for a bit and it was obvious he wouldn't be around much longer, yet he managed to secure the best class in the country. I must stipulate that this is pure speculation on my part, whereas when I speak of the Patrick Peterson situation at LSU, it is a fact from a reliable source.

I could see why the coaching staff lost their minds when they lost Peterson. He looks like he may be the best corner to come into the NFL ever. 220lbs with 4.3 speed, ball skills like an animal and the ability to make plays on special teams to boot. It really is no wonder I heard things I wasn't supposed to hear at that time.
 
Bush got a 100K paid internship at a sports marketing firm, you don't think that deal was contingent on playing for a top tier school in southern california?

And florida doesn't pay athletes to play there? UF just wins wars for players like cam newton by entering a bid of zero dollars?
 
Not every school does it. Really.

It is impossible to do without getting caught at Miami, yet we pulled in the number 1 class in the nation a few years ago, and get 5 stars almost every year. Kids get sold on the fact that they will make it to the pros and the payoff will be greater for them later on. Plus, as I said way before Newton, a kid taking cash usually stems from a father or other negative influence holding out their hand.

I hate Florida with all of my heart and I wish I could say for a fact that they pay players, but everything I have heard says otherwise. I could speculate all I want about Meyer's last year, but I lost contact with the guy who told me about the Peterson thing (he's a friend of a family member who I do not see much of), and therefore have nothing but my own intuition and a bunch of most-likely-bullshit-internet-rumors that I would love to believe but can't in good faith repeat as truth to say that Florida cheats in that way.

Florida definitely had their own ways of doing it, with Meyer's tactic of lying about everything possible and blowing kids egos up beyond control just to get them there (all of which is perfectly legal) being the worst of it. I consider that worse than paying players, morally, but nothing can be done about it.
 
more proof that college football is a cess-pool of illegal activity, with the coming to light of Oregon paying an "athletic trainer" thousands to land a top recruit...
 
...c'mon, buck-eye fans, did you know this was coming?

Tressel knew of gear scheme last April
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel was informed that several Buckeyes players were selling memorabilia more than eight months before the school claims it was made aware of the scheme, a two-month Yahoo! Sports investigation has found.

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According to a source, a concerned party reached out to Tressel last April, alerting the coach that memorabilia transactions had taken place between Rife and a handful of Buckeyes players, including Pryor. The selling of items violates NCAA eligibility rules. The source said Tressel was troubled by the information, and the coach indicated that he would investigate the matter and take appropriate action.

Whether the coach initiated an investigation of the accusation is unclear, but all five players remained on the field in the coming months, playing out the 2010 regular season.

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The article goes on, in obvious flaming of fire fashion, to list contract details such that Tressel could be fired, and the school could be forced to vacate wins from 2010 for ineligible players, but I'm pretty confident none of us expect anything of the sort to occur. In fact, I doubt anything comes of this obviously inflammatory piece. Still, bit interesting to uncover that Tressel knew months before it was 'discovered' and said-did nothing :\ Not quite so clean, eh Mr. Sweatervest? Wonder if that would have brought in-season suspensions, or possible bowl suspensions?

Please give me credit for not mentioning M. Clarett this time.

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completely unrelated, but rather than make another post:


Three things impress me about this photo.

One, photographer David Goldman got this shot. Think about it: Goldman's lens was most likely focused on the playing field, not on the stands to his back. He had to swing his camera to where the bat might land, get it in focus and get the correct exposure. Luckily the bat landed in the same sunny spot as the playing field, so he didn't need to change the exposure.

Two, Goldman got the guy's name. He left his photo position on the field to ask the fan his name, how to spell it and where he's from.

Three, the fan, Mitch Davie, caught the bat with one hand. And he didn't spill his Red Stripe.
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Go Gators. Red Stripe? wtf?
 
black people have more fast twitch muscle fibers ;)

And as for OSU, naturally, I'm clicking my heels, but I'm not expecting much to come of it, both because OSU isn't regarded as a particularly dirty program, so there's not much external pressure on the NCAA to act, and they certainly have their plates full with other high-profile teams misbehaving (including some notable SEC teams, 3,4 and smotpoker ;))
 
black people have an extra muscle in their Achille's heel

re: tOSU

I dunno I'm sure that these allegations are true. but does it make it any worst for me? not really. when I put the selling of memorabilia on the scope of the sins of other college athletes (rape being the highest disregard for human life as I see)... it still just doesn't really irk me that much

as we've said, CFB is rife with players doing dirty deeds. if the selling of jerseys is the worst that tOSU does, so be it (I'm sure PB agrees with me here, lol, I'm essentially dealing with what he had to deal with this time last year)
 
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