Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

[Yourbaker]

With all due respect, I fail to see a strong connection between the baking industry and the medical industry?

Money.

I don't care what happens in any work place on earth Money is the only end result.

I use every unknown kickback and long forgotten government rebate system to literally pump Money into bakeries that grew organically and never realized these ancient revenue streams still exist. I can fund my entire salary off changing how we record information and track product. The exact same is true in any business including hospitals. A good administrator will milk every available dollar to support their great team of doctors.

I would doubt they would package up a bunch of positive test with people who were not positive, (some bakeries might not be selling you butter) but I believe there is a wee bit more integrity in the medical field. I could only speculate, I have exposed bakeries for poor practices before and made back room deals with health authorities to inspect when I knew there would be a failure to prod Money out of owners pockets.

The businesses are not the same but business is the same. Today I am a baker, yesterday I was other things and tomorrow? I learned my skill in acquiring kickbacks from assisting small businesses to form advertising campaigns paid for by creative ad billing and corporate sponsorships. I was with Black press selling ad content and stringing for CBC radio. Not at all baking or medical still using the art of qualifying people to use other people's money to pay me. (And being thanked, bribed and appreciated by both sides plus the boss.

Right now all industries from your food to your government are totally dependant on our monetary system and it is failing, some people will do some drastic things to try and keep things together. Faking a covid death for Money, maybe.

 

[Electrum1]

How do they fudge death certificates?

I don't think they need to as long as the person tested positive for Covid while in/entering the hospital.

 

[birdup]

I don't think they need to as long as the person tested positive for Covid while in/entering the hospital.

But medical staff in hospitals don't work in isolation of each other. If somebody dies in hospital from COVID, multiple staff members will know about it.

You guys seem to be suggesting that it's not a widespread conspiracy within each hospital (I asked if it was a conspiracy and got no response) but rather admin staff. That doesn't explain how doctors and nurses and coroners are completely removed from the reporting process.

In Australia, I know for a fact that it is not easy to do what you're suggesting.

 

[alasdairm]

One of the most satisfying things in life is to witness acquaintances hit their late 40s into 50s ... realizing how Gov't & Pharma have been looking out for their well being those years

Their sanctimonious
self-righteousness is nothing more than other worldly

indeed.

alasdair

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Well I personally know of one person who died in their sleep(in their mid 70s) and death was reported due to COVID, family says they wernt sick at all prior to death but were grieving so didn’t care enough to make a fuss about it…I wonder if that’s the only time that’s ever happened, maybe

 

[Electrum1]

But medical staff in hospitals don't work in isolation of each other. If somebody dies in hospital from COVID, multiple staff members will know about it.

You guys seem to be suggesting that it's not a widespread conspiracy within each hospital (I asked if it was a conspiracy and got no response) but rather admin staff. That doesn't explain how doctors and nurses and coroners are completely removed from the reporting process.

In Australia, I know for a fact that it is not easy to do what you're suggesting.

Doctors/Nurses just treat the patients without thinking about money. I'm not really sure what you're saying/asking. What I'm saying is from what I read, it is more profitable for hospitals if the patient is a "Covid patient", because our gov't gives the hospital ($13,500 just for an example number) for each "Covid patient", so to the hospitals it doesnt matter if the patient is there due to Covid or is there for something else while testing positive for Covid. Once they have a "Covid patient" they get money. I don't know about deaths from or with Covid or how that's accounted for, but I hope we do end up getting numbers that show the difference (doubt we will).

 

[birdup]

@Electrum1

I was responding to this:

as far as I’m concerned if we know hospitals get more money for a covid death then we also know there are deaths reported as covid that arnt…even without any proof we know this to be fact, because…money….

I do not believe there is widespread fudging of death certificates occurring all over the world. That's all I'm saying.

 

[birdup]

It occurs to me that anti-vaxxers are often blindly pessimistic and pro-vaxxers are often blindly optimistic. The truth lies somewhere between.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

in some cases sure, but follow the money is always true

 

[Las Veghost grower]

But if you think when there is money out there to be gotten that people of all walks of life won’t try to get it I really don’t know what to tell you

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Or how about this, let’s say the number of corrupt hospital staff/doctors/admins is on par with the amount of corrupt cops or politicians, corruption comes in a lot of different forms, would that be enough to affect the numbers ?

 

[birdup]

What percent of cops do you think are corrupt?

 

[birdup]

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[AutoTripper]

Kanye West now. AUS govt telling him, no certification compliance, no touring.


West did report receiving one dose of I forget..

But since then is saying it is the mark of the beast.


Either way, I have a feeling he likely won't be touring Australia soon but who knows yet?

 

[birdup]

You would think with how corrupt everyone is and all it would be easy for someone as wealthy and influential as Kanye West to bribe their way past this bullshit.

Makes you wonder.

 

[Fire&Water]

indeed.

alasdair

Indubitably

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm not nitpicking. I'm having a discussion with you.



Not doing that either. I put forward the excess death numbers in Australia and also the deaths in that period. There are approximately 4,100 deaths that can't be directly attributed to COVID.

You are doing the same thing as me in the sense that you're vaguely suggesting that (what?) over 4,000 people died within a 10 month period from long COVID?



You're speculating also. Or do you have data to back up the long COVID thing you suggested?

i didn't mention long covid.

if you have a condition and a virus impacts the organs affected by that condition, your status will change.

and yes, i have the data, here are some articles about it:

COVID-19 survivors have higher risk of death 12 months after infection

New research shows the impact of severe COVID-19 on overall health at 12 months after the infection.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Among COVID-19 survivors, an increased risk of death, serious illness: Major study details numerous long-term effects of COVID-19, pointing to massive health burden

Researchers showed that COVID-19 survivors -- including those not sick enough to be hospitalized -- have an increased risk of death in the six months following diagnosis with the virus. They also have catalogued the numerous diseases associated with COVID-19, providing a big-picture overview of...

www.sciencedaily.com

The data you are requesting is not available.

so you have no evidence to support your position?

So, is it possible thousands of people died?

its unlikely!! given that many more people survive covid and thus have the opportunity for it to ravage their body and contribute to their death in other ways, i think that is more likely, because there is an established mechanism by which it can happen rather than your vague suppositions.

look, i think you are conflating a general point that i was trying to make, i.e. that excess death figures show the total death toll from covid to likely be higher than the official poll, with some sort of defence of lockdowns in australia. to go down to a single country level, and disputing the cause of a few thousand out of multiple millions of deaths is nitpicking unless you actually have a technical objection to the methodologies used.

and i have never stated any support for the extent of lockdowns in australia. i mean ffs i have family over there who i have never met cos of all of this. all my boyfs sister wanted was her mum at the birth of her first child, and she couldn't go.

 

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COVID-19 survivors have higher risk of death 12 months after infection

New research shows the impact of severe COVID-19 on overall health at 12 months after the infection.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Among COVID-19 survivors, an increased risk of death, serious illness: Major study details numerous long-term effects of COVID-19, pointing to massive health burden

Researchers showed that COVID-19 survivors -- including those not sick enough to be hospitalized -- have an increased risk of death in the six months following diagnosis with the virus. They also have catalogued the numerous diseases associated with COVID-19, providing a big-picture overview of...

www.sciencedaily.com

Neither of these mention the word 'vaccine'.

You'd think that would be pretty clear from the outset, whether their sample data had/had not received any doses. The fact it is omitted on the public facing page tells me they are either incompetent or they know it affects the conclusion.

 

[birdup]

The data you are requesting is not available.

so you have no evidence to support your position?

The data you are requesting is not available.

i didn't mention long covid.

if you have a condition and a virus impacts the organs affected by that condition, your status will change.

What's the difference?

I meant the long term effects of COVID, including long COVID... which is what I thought you meant. Either way, it doesn't matter.

and yes, i have the data, here are some articles about it:

I appreciate that but can you quote something (rather than linking it) that indicates how much more likely people are to die?

I respect your opinion.

Do you honestly believe that more than four times the number of people died from COVID (*just to be clear, I mean: long term effects from COVID not long-COVID specifically) than were reported during those 10 months in 2020?

I find that very difficult to believe.

its unlikely!

Likelihood is probability, right?

So show me the data that indicates it's unlikely.

It's impossible to say. The reason I keep saying the data you are requesting is unavailable is because it's impossible to measure the damage lockdowns have done to people's health. Pretty much everyone I know put on at least 10 pounds. I know two people who've had gastric bypass surgery because they ballooned so much. Not to mention the stress. You can't measure the stress.

This is the problem with science, sometimes. You can measure certain things, but you can't measure others. So we assume that those other things don't exist.

It's still early days in terms of data. Over time, we will unravel the truth.

nitpicking unless you actually have a technical objection to the methodologies used

I'm not nitpicking. You have certain educational advantages over me in this discussion, but that doesn't make you correct. Sometimes people are too close to their fields. I'm not suggesting this applies to you. I'm just saying, I don't have your faith in science and I don't take it for granted that educated people have the answers. This is not heated for me. I'm trying to tread carefully here. I like you. I don't want to offend you.

I don't have a technical objection, but I'm not going to treat it like gospel either.

It doesn't explain the 4,000 extra deaths in that period of time in Australia.

Call that nitpicking, if you like.

I need to hear an explanation before I sign up.

and i have never stated any support for the extent of lockdowns in australia. i mean ffs i have family over there who i have never met cos of all of this. all my boyfs sister wanted was her mum at the birth of her first child, and she couldn't go.

I know, dude.

I didn't mean to imply that you were pro-lockdown.

I'm sorry if it came across that way. I'm just burnt out. I work in an industry with very high standards in terms of COVID safety so it's still affecting me much more than it is many other Australians and I'm so over it, it's not funny.

Try not to take any of this personally.

 

[papercuts]

well the meme is just a collection of news articles trying to show you the logic by simple addition and you still can't see it but you're trying to tell me about logic

Yep, still not seeing it.
I've had three vaccines and I didn't grow another head. It didn't cure me of anything, didn't turn me into a cyborg, just a really quick jab in the arm and people who actually study these things all their lives think I've less chance of dying.
You guys aren't used to getting free healthcare, so you're looking for the catch. Fine.
Just wear a mask, then my cancer surviving, diabetic best friend can leave her house sometime without the "I'm not at risk" people breathing all over her.