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I thought they called them dollarbacks in the land down under…off topic, but I just got an authentic Red Heeler the other day for my niece, 6 weeks old and prolly the smartest puppy Iv ever had, I think they are part dingo and Dalmatian ? Great dog tho
 
They've got beer on tap in my most Aussie pharmacies. The pharmacist (who was hilariously too short to see over the counter properly) poured me a pint of Guinness while I did the paperwork. The vaccine was free but I had to pay for the beer.
 
I thought they called them dollarbacks in the land down under…off topic, but I just got an authentic Red Heeler the other day for my niece, 6 weeks old and prolly the smartest puppy Iv ever had, I think they are part dingo and Dalmatian ? Great dog tho
Yeah, they're a breed of multiple collie breeds crossed with a Dingo.
 
Yeah, they're a breed of multiple collie breeds crossed with a Dingo.
They are so smart it’s crazy, she’s 6 weeks and we’ve had her for 2 days and she is pretty much already trained to go outside to go to the bathroom, she’ll sit at the door whining or paw you in the face and bite your ears till you take her out, except for a couple accidents but that’s just cause she can’t hold it yet, best 600$ Iv spent in a long time…oh yea, and she learned how to play fetch today in like 2 hours
 
@dalpat077

There were no Thalidomide babies. They were dwarves who were paid actors working for the Coca Cola company to divert attention away from the moon landing staged by Stanley Kubrick and Charlton Heston.
In truth a lot of them have died by now. I'm 59 now and my mother was offer thalidomide while pregnant with me. She had some early pregnancy issues and in canada thalidomide wasn't pulled entirely until early 1962.

You can tell what day the mother began taking it by the defect in the child. Most are 1 year older than I am today. I got lucky, I grew up in a religious community where we had no real news beyond a sometimes working Radio so I am thankful for the hesitancy to take a drug when you don't really need it.

I still believe the first warning not to mix vaccines as this will cause a much higher probability of variants. So once we get to a world with 20 different vaccines being mixed in 3 random doses spread over random time periods we should have so many variants no one will survive. I believe this because life will always find novel ways around problems and the vaccine is a problem we are throwing at the live virus.

I would like to believe there is no conspiracy but it is getting harder each day. Certainly a lot of the mistakes we are making are greed fueled, some are fear fueled but a lot of the fear is just greed fueled as well.

Because I narrowly escaped thalidomide I've always been slow to grab questionable new medicine.
 
indeed.

foreigner states that "This isn't an armchair debate anymore." i don't know what he means by that hence my question.

alasdair

You know exactly what he means you’re just sarcastic to anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint.

I’m with foreigner, if you support this is on your conscience too. Every word you write in support of this shit is devils work.
 
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I swear to my God that is exactly what I said about 6 posts ago when I wrote:





I can’t understand how you can be complaining about the decline of our society a.k.a Western Civilisation on the one hand while espousing a moral belief like this which is completely antithetical to (modern) Western Civilisation. Such a moral perspective would be totally comprehensible and accepted in, say Saudi Arabia or Iran but it is diametrically opposed and totally alien to both America as it was founded and the West more generally.

As a minimum such a belief (in the Western context) would be considered by most people to be sociopathic but I imagine many reasonable people would not find it a stretch to consider it psychopathic.

Note I am not calling you a sociopath or psychopath - all I am saying is the view that you expressed above would seem sociopathic / psychopathic to most people in the West. Just as the post you made supporting bringing back Hitler and exterminating 6 million people to stop Covid global vaccination in the other thread would seem morally repugnant to most reasonable people in the West.

You know nothing of the West you live in Australia right?

I live where people fly “Don’t tread on me” and “We The People” flags from trucks filled with shotguns and rifles. I live 45 minutes from the harbor in which the Boston Tea Party took place, and in a town full of rich history regarding the birth of America.

A nation founded on freedom.

Do you know the definition of a sociopath?

A mental health disorder characterized by disregard for other people.

By trying to wake up others and warn them of the dangers of vaccines, what part of that points to a disregard for other people?

A sociopath wouldn’t be on this forum warning others, they wouldn’t give a shit either way.

You know why you’re so compliant? You already let them disarm you. You guys are fucked.

I’ll die with a gun in my hand and a smile on my face fighting just like those who came before me.

BECAUSE FREEDOM ISNT FREE
 
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You can’t antagonize and influence at the same time. Nor can you solve a spiritual problem with a political solution. Of this much I know is abundantly clear.

There is no more civility not when both sides refuse to hear one another and with both sides become violent it isn’t an excuse.

All of it is done deliberately to divide and conquer our unique and quite frankly wonderful country the United States of America. 🇺🇸

unfortunately I fear we are the last bastion for once we fall so does everyone else.
 
You know nothing of the West you live in Australia right?
Australia is by pretty much every definition of a Western liberal democracy with the majority of its legal and government institutions inherited from Great Britain.

So pretty Western. I’ve also got pretty good training in pre-European Graeco-Roman history (which I read on both Latin and Ancient Greek at school, the history of Christianity, and European political history as well as philosophy from the pre-socratics to the Frankfurt School. So even if Australia not Western I can probably offer informed opinions on what ‘The West’ is.
I live where people fly “Don’t tread on me” and “We The People” flags from trucks filled with shotguns and rifles. I live 45 minutes from the harbor in which the Boston Tea Party took place, and in a town full of rich history regarding the birth of America.
Boston is a great city and I learned a lot about that rich history when I spent a few months nearby in Cambridge several years ago. If I lived in the US it’s where I’d like to live.
A nation founded on freedom.
On a version of freedom. There are many theories and philosophies about what genuine human freedom is. Absence of government authority and lots of firearms is a pretty narrow conception of what it truly means to be free. But I accept it is seen by many people to be crucial.

America was also founded in significant part on slavery and dispossession in an economic sense - which incorporated a lot of unfreedom for a lot of human beings.
Do you know the definition of a sociopath?

A mental health disorder characterized by disregard for other people.

By trying to wake up others and warn them of the dangers of vaccines, what part of that points to a disregard for other people?

A sociopath wouldn’t be on this forum warning others, they wouldn’t give a shit either way.
I’ll concede your point there based on that definition of sociopathic. I’ve already mentioned that I am confident your beliefs are deeply held and that you are acting in good faith on that basis.

You know why you’re so compliant? Cause all you aussies are too pussy to stand up to the tyranny you are currently facing. You already let them disarm you. You guys are fucked.
We have one of the highest standards of living in the world by just about every measure. Importantly we have excellent social mobility, high wages, low inequality, and high levels of social cohesion.

What additional value would a right to bear arms bring to the quality of life of your average Australian? If you want to hunt or target shoot you can obtain a weapon. I’ve done lots of both and the process was simple. We simply have no threats that warrant being armed for self-protection.

I’ll die with a gun in my hand and a smile on my face fighting just like those who came before me.

BECAUSE FREEDOM ISNT FREE

I’m really curious who exactly you are going to shoot? Under what circumstances? Where do you draw the line between taking a life and preserving freedom?

Seriously, what aspect of freedom would you be prepared to kill someone for? I simply cannot imagine any situation where I could kill someone short of protecting my own life or the life of an innocent person facing imminent criminal homicide.
 
Australia is by pretty much every definition of a Western liberal democracy with the majority of its legal and government institutions inherited from Great Britain.

So pretty Western. I’ve also got pretty good training in pre-European Graeco-Roman history (which I read on both Latin and Ancient Greek at school, the history of Christianity, and European political history as well as philosophy from the pre-socratics to the Frankfurt School. So even if Australia not Western I can probably offer informed opinions on what ‘The West’ is.

Boston is a great city and I learned a lot about that rich history when I spent a few months nearby in Cambridge several years ago. If I lived in the US it’s where I’d like to live.

On a version of freedom. There are many theories and philosophies about what genuine human freedom is. Absence of government authority and lots of firearms is a pretty narrow conception of what it truly means to be free. But I accept it is seen by many people to be crucial.

America was also founded in significant part on slavery and dispossession in an economic sense - which incorporated a lot of unfreedom for a lot of human beings.

I’ll concede your point there based on that definition of sociopathic. I’ve already mentioned that I am confident your beliefs are deeply held and that you are acting in good faith on that basis.


We have one of the highest standards of living in the world by just about every measure. Importantly we have excellent social mobility, high wages, low inequality, and high levels of social cohesion.

What additional value would a right to bear arms bring to the quality of life of your average Australian? If you want to hunt or target shoot you can obtain a weapon. I’ve done lots of both and the process was simple. We simply have no threats that warrant being armed for self-protection.



I’m really curious who exactly you are going to shoot? Under what circumstances? Where do you draw the line between taking a life and preserving freedom?

Seriously, what aspect of freedom would you be prepared to kill someone for? I simply cannot imagine any situation where I could kill someone short of protecting my own life or the life of an innocent person facing imminent criminal homicide.

I don't dislike you or anyone else on this forum. I really don't.

I do apologize for letting my emotions get the best of me, as others have stated this is a very emotionally charged topic, especially for me.

I have no ill wishes or hard feelings on anyone and I mean that.

I don't want to kill people or talk about it or glorify it. It's not in human nature.

I just have a passion for the truth.

The truth will set you free they say, so I always try and find that truth.

I'm no saint, I'm no angel, I've done a lot wrong in this life that I can't take back. If God is real, I got a lot of work to do before I go or surely I won't be seeing any pearly gates. That doesn't scare me, but it does make me think about the kind of person I've been and who I want to be.

Drugs made me do bad things, but other times I did bad things on my own. I want to be better in all areas of my life and that is my goal today and hopefully for the rest of my life. Better for others not better for myself.

I'll probably excuse myself from this topic and sub forum all together, it serves me no purpose.

Maybe one day you'll see me leading a rally in DC to protest big pharma, but than I'll probably get shot or "suicide" myself. And that, is why this world makes me so angry.
 
I don't dislike you or anyone else on this forum. I really don't.

I do apologize for letting my emotions get the best of me, as others have stated this is a very emotionally charged topic, especially for me.

I have no ill wishes or hard feelings on anyone and I mean that.

I don't want to kill people or talk about it or glorify it. It's not in human nature.

I just have a passion for the truth.

The truth will set you free they say, so I always try and find that truth.

I'm no saint, I'm no angel, I've done a lot wrong in this life that I can't take back. If God is real, I got a lot of work to do before I go or surely I won't be seeing any pearly gates. That doesn't scare me, but it does make me think about the kind of person I've been and who I want to be.

Drugs made me do bad things, but other times I did bad things on my own. I want to be better in all areas of my life and that is my goal today and hopefully for the rest of my life. Better for others not better for myself.

I'll probably excuse myself from this topic and sub forum all together, it serves me no purpose.

Maybe one day you'll see me leading a rally in DC to protest big pharma, but than I'll probably get shot or "suicide" myself. And that, is why this world makes me so angry.

It’s all good. Everyone gets worked up from time to time about the things that are important to them. So long as we all eventually just take a deep breath and shake hands after the discussion gets a bit rough there is no harm done. I appreciate you being so honest and open about how you feel about this stuff and making the effort to explain where your are at and why.

I’m all for people-power rallies and non-violent civil disobedience. Nothing wrong with standing up as a leader for what you believe so long as you are the kind of leader that knows how to make sure his followers know where the lines are and ensures legitimate protest doesn’t become a riot (of course, that depends a lot on how the authorities react and behave - I get that.).
 
There are so many threads going at the moment I was not sure where to post this one. But the mega thread is probably best. However, it is posted as a gesture of support for both @OpiateKiller and @Foreigner in their views about corruption in the trials data for the Pfizer vaccine. Although I have not found their arguments persuasive in other threads, I agree with them that there is significant corruption in the way drugs are approved.

I have zero evidence about this with respect to the CDC, but this article very clearly describes (with reams of supporting data and links to multiple other evidence sources) how Pharma companies use an academic shield to ensure favourable results from purportedly ‘independent experts’. It is ample evidence that anyone appealing to you to ‘trust the science’ about anything connected in any way to commerce and industry should be viewed very sceptically.

Does this prove that the Pfizer vaccine is unsafe? No. Does it prove that Covid is a man-made catastrophe or part of a political or population control strategy? No.

But it does prove that Big Pharma and many many universities and academics simply cannot be trusted and that the whole process of medicine approval is potentially corrupt from top-to-bottom. But we already knew that. Because Purdue.

 
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