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Association of serotonin transporter promoter gene polymorphism with violence: relation with personality disorders, impulsivity, and childhood ADHD psychopathology.
Retz W, Retz-Junginger P, Supprian T, Thome J, Rösler M.
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Institute for Forensic Psychology and Psychiatry, University of the Saarland, Homburg/Saar, Germany. [email protected]
Abstract
There is evidence that disturbances in central serotonin (5-HT) function have a role in impulsive aggression, violence, and criminality. A deletion/insertion polymorphism within the 5-HT transporter (5-HTT) promoter gene (5-HTT gene-linked polymorphic region, 5-HTTLPR) is thought to be associated with several psychopathological phenotypes related to disturbed impulse control, anxiety and depression. This study examined the association of the 5-HTTLPR with violent behavior in a sample of 153 male Caucasians referred for a forensic psychiatric examination. We found a significant excess of the short (s) allele and the s/s genotype in patients characterized by recurrent and overt physical violent behavior. This genetic variance explained 5% of the variance of violent behavior. When controlled for the impact of several psychopathologies related to violent behavior, this association was observed in individuals with a history of childhood attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)-related symptoms, but not presenting with personality disorder or increased impulsiveness. In conclusion, the results (i). suggest an association between serotonergic dysfunction and violent behavior, (ii). provide evidence for an-at least partial-genetic regulation of violent behavior in a subgroup of male offenders, and (iii). suggest a significant role for 5-HT transporter functionality for violent behavior.


The neuropsychopharmacology of criminality and aggression.
Lee R, Coccaro E.
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Clinical Neurosciences and Psychopharmacology Research Unit, Department of Psychiatry, University of Chicago, 5841 South Maryland Ave, MC 3077, Chicago, IL 60637, USA.
Abstract
Although the idea that aggression has biological components is not a new one, recent research in genetics, neuropsychopharmacology, and neuroimaging has helped clarify the biological contributions to aggression. Studies to date have focused on serotonergic function and impulsive aggression. Reduced levels of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA) are associated with impulsive aggression. Pharmacochallenge studies have found decreased serotonergic responsiveness associated with impulsive aggression. Neuroimaging studies suggest a role for the prefrontal cortex, along with other regions of the brain, in the expression of aggression. Serotonin is not the only aspect of brain function implicated in impulsive aggression, and further work is being done on other neurotransmitters and neuropeptides.


Serotonin transporter genotype (5-HTTLPR) predicts utilitarian moral judgments.
Marsh AA, Crowe SL, Yu HH, Gorodetsky EK, Goldman D, Blair RJ.
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Department of Psychology, Georgetown University, Washington, District of Columbia, United States of America. [email protected]
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
The psychological and neurobiological processes underlying moral judgment have been the focus of extensive recent research. Here we show that serotonin transporter (5-HTTLPR) genotype predicts responses to moral dilemmas featuring foreseen harm to an innocent.
METHODOLOGY/PRINCIPAL FINDINGS:
Participants in this study judged the acceptability of actions that would unintentionally or intentionally harm an innocent victim in order to save others' lives. An analysis of variance revealed a genotype × scenario interaction, F(2, 63) = 4.52, p = .02. Results showed that, relative to long allele homozygotes (LL), carriers of the short (S) allele showed particular reluctance to endorse utilitarian actions resulting in foreseen harm to an innocent individual. LL genotype participants rated perpetrating unintentional harm as more acceptable (M = 4.98, SEM = 0.20) than did SL genotype participants (M = 4.65, SEM = 0.20) or SS genotype participants (M = 4.29, SEM = 0.30). No group differences in moral judgments were observed in response to scenarios featuring intentional harm.
CONCLUSIONS/SIGNIFICANCE:
The results indicate that inherited variants in a genetic polymorphism that influences serotonin neurotransmission influence utilitarian moral judgments as well. This finding is interpreted in light of evidence that the S allele is associated with elevated emotional responsiveness.


Who's flying the plane: serotonin levels, aggression and free will.
Siegel A, Douard J.
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Department of Neurology and Neuroscience, NJ Medical School, 185 South Orange Avenue, Newark, NJ 07103, USA.
Abstract
The present paper addresses the philosophical problem raised by current causal neurochemical models of impulsive violence and aggression: to what extent can we hold violent criminal offenders responsible for their conduct if that conduct is the result of deterministic biochemical processes in the brain. This question is currently receiving a great deal of attention among neuroscientists, legal scholars and philosophers. We examine our current knowledge of neuroscience to assess the possible roles of deterministic factors which induce impulsive aggression, and the extent to which this behavior can be controlled by neural conditioning mechanisms. Neural conditioning mechanisms, we suggest, may underlie what we consider the basis of responsible (though not necessarily moral) behavior: the capacity to give and take reasons. The models we first examine are based in part upon the role played by the neurotransmitter, serotonin, in the regulation of violence and aggression. Collectively, these results would appear to argue in favor of the view that low brain serotonin levels induce impulsive aggression which overrides mechanisms related to rational decision making processes. We next present an account of responsibility as based on the capacity to exercise a certain kind of reason-responsive control over one's conduct. The problem with such accounts of responsibility, however, is that they fail to specify a neurobiological realization of such mechanisms of control. We present a neurobiological, and weakly determinist, framework for understanding how persons can exercise guidance control over their conduct. This framework is based upon classical conditioning of neurons in the prefrontal cortex that allow for a decision making mechanism that provides for prefrontal cortical control of the sites in the brain which express aggressive behavior that include the hypothalamus and midbrain periaqueductal gray. The authors support the view that, in many circumstances, neural conditioning mechanisms provide the basis for the control of human aggression in spite of the presence of brain serotonin levels that might otherwise favor the expression of impulsive aggressive behavior. Indeed if those neural conditioning mechanisms underlie the human capacity to exercise control, they may be the neural realization of reason-responsiveness generally.


Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2010 Oct 5;107(40):17433-8. Epub 2010 Sep 27.
Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior through effects on harm aversion.
Crockett MJ, Clark L, Hauser MD, Robbins TW.
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Department of Experimental Psychology, Behavioural and Clinical Neuroscience Institute, University of Cambridge, Cambridge CB2 3EB, United [email protected]
Abstract
Aversive emotional reactions to real or imagined social harms infuse moral judgment and motivate prosocial behavior. Here, we show that the neurotransmitter serotonin directly alters both moral judgment and behavior through increasing subjects' aversion to personally harming others. We enhanced serotonin in healthy volunteers with citalopram (a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) and contrasted its effects with both a pharmacological control treatment and a placebo on tests of moral judgment and behavior. We measured the drugs' effects on moral judgment in a set of moral 'dilemmas' pitting utilitarian outcomes (e.g., saving five lives) against highly aversive harmful actions (e.g., killing an innocent person). Enhancing serotonin made subjects more likely to judge harmful actions as forbidden, but only in cases where harms were emotionally salient. This harm-avoidant bias after citalopram was also evident in behavior during the ultimatum game, in which subjects decide to accept or reject fair or unfair monetary offers from another player. Rejecting unfair offers enforces a fairness norm but also harms the other player financially. Enhancing serotonin made subjects less likely to reject unfair offers. Furthermore, the prosocial effects of citalopram varied as a function of trait empathy. Individuals high in trait empathy showed stronger effects of citalopram on moral judgment and behavior than individuals low in trait empathy. Together, these findings provide unique evidence that serotonin could promote prosocial behavior by enhancing harm aversion, a prosocial sentiment that directly affects both moral judgment and moral behavior.


I fear for you: A role for serotonin in moral behavior
Heike Tosta and Andreas Meyer-Lindenbergb1
aClinical Brain Disorders Branch, Genes, Cognition and Psychosis Program, National Institute of Mental Health, National Institutes of Health, Department of Health and Human Services, Bethesda, MD 20892; and
bDepartment of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, Central Institute of Mental Health, 68159 Mannheim, Germany
1To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: [email protected].
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Author contributions: H.T. and A.M.-L. wrote the paper.
See the article"Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior through effects on harm aversion" on page 17433.

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Decision making in the face of conflicting ethical demands has intrigued mankind for millennia. A long philosophical tradition has placed emphasis on reasoning, about utilitarian outcomes, for example, in such decisions (1). However, recent work in social neuroscience (2, 3) has identified brain circuits active during moral judgment that have been linked to prosocial emotions such as empathy, guilt, and pity. Using an innovative combination of behavioral research and pharmacological intervention, a study in this issue of PNAS (4) suggests a role for the neurotransmitter serotonin in the neural substrate of ethical decision making.


Neurobiology of escalated aggression and violence.
Miczek KA, de Almeida RM, Kravitz EA, Rissman EF, de Boer SF, Raine A.
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Department of Psychology, Tufts University, Medford, Massachusetts 02155, USA. [email protected]
Abstract
Psychopathological violence in criminals and intense aggression in fruit flies and rodents are studied with novel behavioral, neurobiological, and genetic approaches that characterize the escalation from adaptive aggression to violence. One goal is to delineate the type of aggressive behavior and its escalation with greater precision; second, the prefrontal cortex (PFC) and brainstem structures emerge as pivotal nodes in the limbic circuitry mediating escalated aggressive behavior. The neurochemical and molecular work focuses on the genes that enable invertebrate aggression in males and females and genes that are expressed or suppressed as a result of aggressive experiences in mammals. The fruitless gene, immediate early genes in discrete serotonin neurons, or sex chromosome genes identify sexually differentiated mechanisms for escalated aggression. Male, but not female, fruit flies establish hierarchical relationships in fights and learn from previous fighting experiences. By manipulating either the fruitless or transformer genes in the brains of male or female flies, patterns of aggression can be switched with males using female patterns and vice versa. Work with Sts or Sry genes suggests so far that other genes on the X chromosomes may have a more critical role in female mouse aggression. New data from feral rats point to the regulatory influences on mesocortical serotonin circuits in highly aggressive animals via feedback to autoreceptors and via GABAergic and glutamatergic inputs. Imaging data lead to the hypothesis that antisocial, violent, and psychopathic behavior may in part be attributable to impairments in some of the brain structures (dorsal and ventral PFC, amygdala, and angular gyrus) subserving moral cognition and emotion.
 
So torn... not really ADD but still sort of ADD...
Interesting topic though, one must wonder what the receptors involved in the response are. Seeing as SSRI's are well known for increasing aggression short term yet decreasing it long term the regulation of these receptors is interesting as sin.

As a side note: I'm petitioning the other mods for a (mental)health subforum for this type of thread.
 
frankly, increased serotonin in the brain is not the cause for aggressive behavior imo. give a person mdma (which is shown to increase serotonin in the brain) and they will not be aggressive, no matter what situation or respective class background. i don't know what it is about SSRI's that increases the violence rate about teenagers/adults either. i personally was diagnosed with depression after my father died, and was put on prozac which affected me so much differetly to another ssri, etstitalopram. i was agressive and angry on prozac while subtley quiet and content on estitalopram. it's the simple make up of a drug which influences a person's behaviour.

i believe that different ssri's affect people differently, of course. they might bind to nmda receptors along with serotonin receptors etc etc. a person who is on prozac may demonstrate suicidial tendencies, while another may not, as the drug affects the other person differently to the first. no person is the same and that is unfortunately what anti-depressants do, they target same receptors in the brain without focusing on specific areas of depletion. for example, a person who cannot experience pleasure in their life may need a dopamagenic boost but instead recieves a serotonin boost, which isn't needed at all rather a dopamegenic boost. this is not however the same for themajority of people, as some do require a serotonin boost. i think that anyone diagnosed with depression should be given the most effective treatment available which at the moment appears to be citalopram for the period of up to 3 months and then reduce from it. it is according to research the only treatment effective of treating low serotonin levels in the brain. i don't know though, i could be wrong.
 
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Research findings show that proposers make surprisingly fair offers in the ultimatum and dictator games, an observation that contradicts predictions of classical game theory. The present functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) study examines brain activities of proposers that contribute to fair and unfair behaviors. We hypothesized that egoistic and altruistic motives of proposers affect fairness differentially in the two games. fMRI analysis revealed that the 28% of fair offers in the present ultimatum game were related to enhanced activity in prefrontal areas, in particular, in regions involved in reward and theory of mind. This corroborates the idea that egoistic motives are primarily responsible for fair offers in this game, which we denote as strategic fairness. Fair offers in the dictator game, however, were related to increased activity in the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex and the posterior cingulate cortex. This supports the idea that altruistic motives primarily drive fair offers in the dictator game, denoted here as altruistic fairness. We thank Nora Kretschmer for her assistance in configuring and executing the experiment and in data analysis. This research was supported by a grant from the German Research Foundation to Wolfgang Miltner, and by a grant of the Friedrich Schiller University Jena and a Schumpeter-Fellowship by the Volkswagen Foundation to Johannes Hewig.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22443447


Sorry I simply cannot talk anymore these grad school finals are no joke--been up for damn near 36 hrs.
 
Who's flying the plane: serotonin levels, aggression and free will.
Siegel A, Douard J.
Source
Department of Neurology and Neuroscience, NJ Medical School, 185 South Orange Avenue, Newark, NJ 07103, USA.
Abstract
The present paper addresses the philosophical problem raised by current causal neurochemical models of impulsive violence and aggression: to what extent can we hold violent criminal offenders responsible for their conduct if that conduct is the result of deterministic biochemical processes in the brain. This question is currently receiving a great deal of attention among neuroscientists, legal scholars and philosophers. We examine our current knowledge of neuroscience to assess the possible roles of deterministic factors which induce impulsive aggression, and the extent to which this behavior can be controlled by neural conditioning mechanisms. Neural conditioning mechanisms, we suggest, may underlie what we consider the basis of responsible (though not necessarily moral) behavior: the capacity to give and take reasons. The models we first examine are based in part upon the role played by the neurotransmitter, serotonin, in the regulation of violence and aggression. Collectively, these results would appear to argue in favor of the view that low brain serotonin levels induce impulsive aggression which overrides mechanisms related to rational decision making processes. We next present an account of responsibility as based on the capacity to exercise a certain kind of reason-responsive control over one's conduct. The problem with such accounts of responsibility, however, is that they fail to specify a neurobiological realization of such mechanisms of control. We present a neurobiological, and weakly determinist, framework for understanding how persons can exercise guidance control over their conduct. This framework is based upon classical conditioning of neurons in the prefrontal cortex that allow for a decision making mechanism that provides for prefrontal cortical control of the sites in the brain which express aggressive behavior that include the hypothalamus and midbrain periaqueductal gray. The authors support the view that, in many circumstances, neural conditioning mechanisms provide the basis for the control of human aggression in spite of the presence of brain serotonin levels that might otherwise favor the expression of impulsive aggressive behavior. Indeed if those neural conditioning mechanisms underlie the human capacity to exercise control, they may be the neural realization of reason-responsiveness generally.

When will people get that we are the stuff in our heads? Looking for a mechanism, the causative factors of which you do not understand, to explain someone's behavior and say that it is in a sense "under their control" is simply trying to use ignorance to justify free will. When you are born your personality is the result of factors which are not under your control; thereafter they are the result of genetics and experience, some of the latter being the result of your decisions. But initially the decisions you make are governed by a personality which can in no way be said to be "your fault" (as the phrase is commonly used, anyway), so no part of experience is "your fault," and thus any personality you develop thereafter is also not "your fault." Any decision which you make, being the result of whatever personality you develop, is, again, not "your fault." This is a huge problem with our concept of blame: if you believe that reality is governed by cause and effect, then logically you can't blame anyone for anything they do. At some point you simply have to blame people for things that are wrong with them (which is what the word "fault" originally meant, mind you), be it screwed up serotonin levels or whatever.
 
I think that behavioral neuroscience has become far too obsessed with absolute reductionism--assigning the most complex social behaviors to this nuclei or that NT system, receptor subtype etc. And with the advent of functional imaging, it's like new-age phrenology with lots of grant money.
 
I think that behavioral neuroscience has become far too obsessed with absolute reductionism--assigning the most complex social behaviors to this nuclei or that NT system, receptor subtype etc. And with the advent of functional imaging, it's like new-age phrenology with lots of grant money.

so true, a lot of what makes behaviour is the persons belief system. i can chose to behave how i want, serotonin or no serotonin
 
I think that behavioral neuroscience has become far too obsessed with absolute reductionism--assigning the most complex social behaviors to this nuclei or that NT system, receptor subtype etc. And with the advent of functional imaging, it's like new-age phrenology with lots of grant money.

I won't pretend that we understand what produces our behaviors. However I have no doubt that humans (as we assume for everything else) are beings governed by cause and effect. I am sure that it is possible to describe the complete biological etiology of someone's behavior.

so true, a lot of what makes behaviour is the persons belief system. i can chose to behave how i want, serotonin or no serotonin

What about when the 'serotonin' governs your belief system? Or your dictates your choices in the first place? I have no problem with the idea that a human can choose to behave one way or another, but to pretend that they do so independently of causal laws is silly. At some point, you have to accept that you are the 'serotonin.'
 
Not arguing what you are saying. Obviously our behaviors are governed by brain function. It just gets a bit frustrating going to all these symposiums and listening to speakers/reading literature where "they have found a morphological difference in the corpus callosum of homosexual and straight males" (or something to that effect...yet they can give no reliable functional difference).

Some of the research in behavioral NS these days is just overly focused on one tiny little aspect of a vast incorporated system, and IMO just isn't that important in the grand scheme. Obviously something as important as the serotonin system DOES play a huge role in modulation of emotion/social behavior, I agree with you there.
 
Not arguing what you are saying. Obviously our behaviors are governed by brain function. It just gets a bit frustrating going to all these symposiums and listening to speakers/reading literature where "they have found a morphological difference in the corpus callosum of homosexual and straight males" (or something to that effect...yet they can give no reliable functional difference).

That's certainly fair. The thing that frustrates me the most is when a certain behavior/condition/disorder is chalked up to a deficiency of X chemical, perhaps based on merely the observation that X agonists treat the condition. It's virtually never that simple.

And interesting find with that study... I know that personally I fall into what they find is the male behavior, in that I have essentially no empathy for people I don't like. It's probably not a good thing though.

To make this thread somewhat relevant to drug discussion, does anyone have an idea (or even better, study) of which sites are necessary for MDMA to exert its empathogenic effect? I find it interesting that neither amphetamine nor MDAI exert any particularly strong empathogenic effect.
 
MDMA (5 mg/kg i.p.) also increased plasma oxytocin levels and this effect was prevented by pre-treatment with the 5-HT(1A) antagonist N-[2-[4-(2-methyoxyphenyl)-1-piperazinyl]ethyl]-N-2-pyridinylcyclohexanecarboxamide maleate salt (WAY 100,635; 1 mg/kg i.p.). The oxytocin receptor antagonist tocinoic acid (20 microg, i.c.v.) had no effect on social behavior when given alone but significantly attenuated the facilitation of social interaction produced by MDMA (5 mg/kg). The 5-HT(1A) agonist 8-hydroxy-2-(di-n-propylamino)-tetraline) (8-OH-DPAT, 0.25 mg/kg, i.p.) increased social behavior in a similar way to MDMA and this effect was also significantly attenuated by tocinoic acid. Taken together, these results suggest that oxytocin release, stimulated by MDMA through 5-HT(1A) receptors, may play a key role in the prosocial effects of MDMA and underlie some of the reinforcing effects of the drug.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17383105

Looks like maybe a 5-HT1a mediated OXT release? I'm not so up to date on the intricacies of MDMA pharmacology but this seems promising.

Edit: on second thought, the azapirone novel anxiolytics (buspirone etc) are partial agonists @ 5HT1a, leading me to think that there is more to the story. Although one must also consider the intrinsic activity of the ligand as well as full vs partial agonist etc...

Here's another one:

MDMA-induced c-Fos expression in oxytocin-containing neurons is blocked by pretreatment with the 5-HT-1A receptor antagonist WAY 100635.

These results indicate that MDMA's action on oxytocin producing cells in the hypothalamus is mediated through 5-HT(1A) receptors and that certain specific cortical, limbic and brainstem sites are also activated by MDMA via these receptors.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21745546
 
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I have an opposing view in that I believe far too much illness is reduced to genetic and structural causes, when in many cases things like ADD can be rectified with lifestyle changes. In children, ADD is positively linked to nutrition in the vast number of cases. Autism, in most cases, does not have a genetic origin that has been pinpointed, but there is a correlation between the sharp increase in autism in the modern world and the way babies are being birthed in hospitals (high forceps delivery, suction with clamps, pitocin to stimulate unnaturally strong uterine contractions, etc.)

I do for sure agree that genetics are a reason for some illnesses, but it's often a copout to fill in knowledge gaps. The reductionist ideology is also part of this. In the emerging field of interpersonal neurobiology, it is known that there is grey matter all over the body, not just in the brain. It surrounds the heart, the digestive system, the gut; each grey matter plexus perceives and responds to different stimuli. Intuition, the "gut feeling", heart-centred love: these all likely have a biophysical component which relates info to the brain. In other words, the body has its own intelligence and it's not all just brain oriented.

If you read some of the paranormal research coming out of Russia and the Eastern EU, there is plenty of evidence that demonstrates consciousness can disassociate from the body and exist separately. This has been shown to be true in the many studies on Near Death Experiences (NDEs) and Out of Body Experiences (OBEs) that have been documented. People recall with intimate detail the happenings around their body in the room and in adjacent rooms, even though they were clinically declared dead at the time. Aside from that, there are plenty of self-professed psychics who astral travel, even meeting their friends on non-physical planes and having detailed communications which can later be recalled. According to quantum entanglement theory, this is all possible.

The brain is important in our function in the physical world but to suggest that the be all and end all of what we are is ONLY in the brain, is wrong. Because the school of rationality in the west primarily arose as a direct opposition to religion, it is trapped in the material mindset. It needs to start cooperating with other kinds of scientific research being conducted into non-material aspects of the universe and how they relate to human consciousness, instead of writing it all off as pseudoscience. We're only getting part of the picture from scanning the physical brain.
 
No shit, the monoamine theory of depression went out the window years ago. Your link is a case report of some dude with sepiapterin reductase deficiency who happens NOT to be depressed.

Is that all 5-HT is supposed to do? Make you happy? Of course not, its a neuromodulator involved in everything from GI peristalsis to impulse control and delayed value discounting. Raphe nuclei (the neurons that produce 5-HT) are located in the brain stem, and project to nearly EVERY region of the brain, especially the neocortex. That's why its often referred to as a neuromodulator, because it regulates the activity of DIVERSE populations of CNS neurons with wide ranging effects.

If the brain functioned like most people think (DA=Pleasure/motivation 5-HT=Happy/relaxed NE=stressed/focused GABA=sedated) then we would be about as high functioning as an earthworm.
 
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Looks like maybe a 5-HT1a mediated OXT release? I'm not so up to date on the intricacies of MDMA pharmacology but this seems promising.

Edit: on second thought, the azapirone novel anxiolytics (buspirone etc) are partial agonists @ 5HT1a, leading me to think that there is more to the story. Although one must also consider the intrinsic activity of the ligand as well as full vs partial agonist etc...

Hmm only 5-HT1A? Strange... then how do we explain the extremely blunted empathogenic effect of MDAI? Perhaps 5-HT2C interfering with social behavior, the effect of which is overcome by MDMA's dopamine/norepinephrine release?
Also, as an explanation for the partial agonists: remember that serotonin autoreceptors are 5-HT1A, so a full agonist may actually be counterproductive, if not even in terms of 5-HT1A activation (which I think it would be), then because of decreased activation of other positive serotonin receptors.

The brain is important in our function in the physical world but to suggest that the be all and end all of what we are is ONLY in the brain, is wrong. Because the school of rationality in the west primarily arose as a direct opposition to religion, it is trapped in the material mindset. It needs to start cooperating with other kinds of scientific research being conducted into non-material aspects of the universe and how they relate to human consciousness, instead of writing it all off as pseudoscience. We're only getting part of the picture from scanning the physical brain.

This is interesting to me, since you're right in pointing out that if you don't accept a human as a mechanism ruled by biomolecular physics then maybe there is room for more than a determinist conception of human behavior. However, to take this step, I think you would have to give up the human mind as being governed by any sort of cause-effect system, because otherwise there is simply no room for a traditional concept of free will. To put it in moral terms, you may nevertheless run into the same problem of "Joe's X is broken so he's behaving badly, can we blame him for it?" whether its serotonin or entangled particles. I definitely see no reason to believe that human behavior exists outside the realm of cause and effect (Occam's razor), but maybe you can correct me on this.

of course serotonin affects you (and your behaviour) but its not an excuse for shitty behaviour, YOU are yourself and defined through your actions.

Well the point I was making is ultimately that: that it's not an excuse for bad behavior. Also, I was of course using "serotonin" as a metaphor for any and all of the chemical processes in the 3 pound stew within our skulls.

If the brain functioned like most people think (DA=Pleasure/motivation 5-HT=Happy/relaxed NE=stressed/focused GABA=sedated) then we would be about as high functioning as an earthworm.

I lol'd
 
No shit, the monoamine theory of depression went out the window years ago. Your link is a case report of some dude with sepiapterin reductase deficiency who happens NOT to be depressed.

Is that all 5-HT is supposed to do? Make you happy? Of course not, its a neuromodulator involved in everything from GI peristalsis to impulse control and delayed value discounting. Raphe nuclei (the neurons that produce 5-HT) are located in the brain stem, and project to nearly EVERY region of the brain, especially the neocortex. That's why its often referred to as a neuromodulator, because it regulates the activity of DIVERSE populations of CNS neurons with wide ranging effects.

If the brain functioned like most people think (DA=Pleasure/motivation 5-HT=Happy/relaxed NE=stressed/focused GABA=sedated) then we would be about as high functioning as an earthworm.

what i'm saying is that the notion that "you are the serotonin" is bullshit because there is more to behaviour than one or two neurotransmitters (note there was no mention of violent behaviour in the man with very low serotonin function), especially when it comes to violence which is a choice that you as a human chose to engage in (which i think has more to do with cortical underarousal and mental laziness/whatever you are used to getting away with behaviour wise)
 
what i'm saying is that the notion that "you are the serotonin" is bullshit because there is more to behaviour than one or two neurotransmitters

You missed the point. I was talking broadly about biological determinism; I used "serotonin" as a metaphor---as I already mentioned.
 
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