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US Politics The Mueller Investigation - report is out

Go because of what?
There is no evidence of Russian collusion w trump (which is also not a crime) except with the dnc and obama administration.

Jahseeus...what are you reading into that makes you ask if "trump is going down?". Down for what?

JahSEEuS said:
So, is that it? Isn't Trump going down bc of all this?
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You are right, the msm is not touching this story. that does not make the nunes memo irrelevant nor has any memo by the Democrats contradicted it.

Journalism is dead.

Also it's not just fox news who reports that the nunes memo contends the Russia "collusion" investigation is a hoax. Finally that awful man Sessions will investigate it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ice-dept-will-investigate-alleged-fisa-abuses

"Yes, it will be investigated," Sessions told reporters at the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which oversees FISA warrants, according to the Washington Examiner.

He said looking into any abuses is the "appropriate thing" to do.
Sessions's remarks follow allegations from President Trump last year that Obama administration officials misused their FISA authority to wrongly surveil members of his transition team.

It is not clear if Sessions has opened a formal investigation into the matter, but he said the Justice Department's inspector general would take it up.

Sessions similarly said on Fox News on Sunday that his department would look into the process for obtaining warrants under FISA.
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Lol he said it on fox news. ah well, clearly foxnews is cutting edge in this russian collusion hoax.

Xorkoth said:
Says Fox News, and no one else.
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Morninggloryseed said:
Go because of what?
There is no evidence of Russian collusion w trump (which is also not a crime) except with the dnc and obama administration.

Jahseeus...what are you reading into that makes you ask if "trump is going down?". Down for what?
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Collusion with Russia to tamper with an American election certainly is a crime. Besides that, all I can say is... we'll see. Hopefully if he is guilty and is removed from office/charged/etc, people won't just say it was a "deep state" plot against him.

Fact is, we don't know shit about the evidence, or about any these real people. The people investigating it are the only ones who know the evidence, and those involved. Whatever you hear on the news or Internet or whatever (on both sides) is not evidence of either the facts of the situation or the real people behind the media faces. None of us are anywhere near this nor have we seen anything about it with our own eyes.
 
Xorkoth said:
Collusion with Russia to tamper with an American election certainly is a crime. Besides that, all I can say is... we'll see. Hopefully if he is guilty and is removed from office/charged/etc, people won't just say it was a "deep state" plot against him.

Fact is, we don't know shit about the evidence, or about any these real people. The people investigating it are the only ones who know the evidence, and those involved. Whatever you hear on the news or Internet or whatever (on both sides) is not evidence of either the facts of the situation or the real people behind the media faces. None of us are anywhere near this nor have we seen anything about it with our own eyes.
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What criminal statute? Moreover, what criminal statute is Trump said to have violted? What does "collusion" mean? What is he alleged to have done? Only the Hillary campaign is known to have paid actual russians for (fake) intelligence to influence the election (Fusion gps) and that ended up leading to this literally phoney golden showers investigation.

https://www.investors.com/politics/...-and-hillary-clintons-real-russian-collusion/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/co...n_s_dodgy_dossier_is_way_worse_than_watergate
 
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Mueller gathers evidence that 2017 Seychelles meeting was effort to establish back channel to Kremlin
Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has gathered evidence that a secret meeting in Seychelles just before the inauguration of Donald Trump was an effort to establish a back channel between the incoming administration and the Kremlin — apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of its participants, according to people familiar with the matter.

In January 2017, Erik Prince, the founder of the private security company Blackwater, met with a Russian official close to Russian President Vladi?mir Putin and later described the meeting to congressional investigators as a chance encounter that was not a planned discussion of U.S.-Russia relations.

A witness cooperating with Mueller has told investigators the meeting was set up in advance so that a representative of the Trump transition could meet with an emissary from Moscow to discuss future relations between the countries, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.
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Prince had no formal role with the Trump campaign or transition. However, according to people familiar with the Seychelles meeting, he presented himself as an unofficial envoy for Trump to high-ranking Emiratis involved in setting up his discussion with the Russian official.
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a secret meeting that they committed perjury to try to conceal. totally nothing shady going on here right mgs? 8)
 
alasdairm said:
just because there's a toddler in the white house who can't handle criticism?

journalism is alive and well and more important than ever.

alasdair
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Righht.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ent-network-trump-coverage-has-been-negative/

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette...ostile-trump-coverage-is-91-percent-negative/

ABC, CBS, NBC spent 63 percent of evening news coverage on administration controversies, favoring them over substance and policies, Media Research Center found.

Ninety-one percent of the coverage by the three major television networks — ABC, CBS and NBC — of President Donald Trump was negative throughout the first two months of 2018, according to a Media Research Center (MRC) study published Tuesday.
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My ex boyfriend always had this habit of trying to be neutral in every argument that came up between his friends.

Apart from the fact that I'd always tell him that often people just need to fight it out and they'll be more pissed off if you try and get in the way than if you'd just let them do it. Another thing I'd tell him, is that being unbiased isn't the same as just always picking the middle ground position no matter the argument.

Sometimes, one side is right, and the other side is wrong, and picking the middle side isn't being unbiased. Unbiased is not assuming someone is right or someone is wrong, and trying to see the evidence on its merit. But being unbiased is not just always picking the middle ground no matter the argument. Because sometimes, one side is clearly right and the other is wrong, and being unbiased means you should take the right side.

The reason I bring this up, is I'm saying an unbiased media is not one that always blindly gives equal amounts of praise and criticism.

If the president does something that's pretty clearly wrong and horrible, an unbiased news media should be entirely against it. It's not being unbiased to simply give equal weight to all the available sides.

Now of course, the media IS biased. And in reality it wouldn't matter much what trump did, most of the outlets would make it look terrible, except fox News and similar where it wouldn't matter what he did they'd make it look positive.

What I'm saying though is that the press being universally against something isn't proof it's biased. And given the quantity of horrible shit trump does, you'd expect a large number of unbiased people to have problems with it. That doesn't make it bias.
 
Trump has not altered the Constitution (nor can he). Calling him authoritarian is humorous to me as he only signed the laws congress gives him. What, with these activist federal judges blocking his executive orders, ithe POTUS has been neutered in some aspects.
 
Claiming "journalism is dead" is likewise humorous to me.
Though i guess it makes sense if your media diet consists of fox news and the like..
 
I'm just speaking of media in the USA...and specifically tv media, ie the networks and cnn. I watch all the channels to compare and contrast.
 
Morninggloryseed said:
Trump has not altered the Constitution (nor can he). Calling him authoritarian is humorous to me as he only signed the laws congress gives him. What, with these activist federal judges blocking his executive orders, ithe POTUS has been neutered in some aspects.
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it looks like you dont know what the word "authoritarian" means. every single person who follows the abrahamic religions (and most religious people in general) are authoritarians, and most conservatives, religious or otherwise, are as well. in addition to being an authoritarian, trump is also a despot and a demogogue.
 
Interesting. OK. Considering the constitution has not changed, why would Trump be more "authoritarian" than the last guy, or the one before that, and even earlier yet?
 
Morninggloryseed said:
Interesting. OK. Considering the constitution has not changed, why would Trump be more "authoritarian" than the last guy, or the one before that, and even earlier yet?
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Trump Meets Every Criteria for an Authoritarian Leader
Trump was easily identifiable as someone who is not committed to the democratic rules of the game," Levitsky told Newsweek on Thursday. “There is real cause for concern for the health of our democratic institutions.”

The four markers are:
  • Rejecting or showing weak commitment to democratic rules.
  • Denying the legitimacy of political opponents.
  • Encouraging or tolerating violence.
  • A readiness to stifle or limit civil liberties of opponents, including media.

"Those are things that democratic candidates in the U.S. simply do not have," Levitsky said. At least, until Trump.

The checklist is meant to be a litmus test for candidates—not incumbents—for good reason, Levitsky said.

“Once they’re in office, it’s too late,” he said. “The point is the best way to stop an authoritarian is to prevent them from getting into office in the first place. Once they get elected to office, it gets much more difficult to stop them.”

In modern times, countries don’t typically collapse into authoritarian rule all at once. Countries like Venezuela and Turkey voted for rulers like Hugo Chavez and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, respectively. They then devolved, with the consent of their constituency, into authoritarianism.

The slow march toward dictatorship was also the case in Russia, the Philippines, Nicaragua, Ukraine and other countries around the world.

“This is how democracies now die,” the authors wrote. “Democratic backsliding today begins at the ballot box.”
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Trump's authoritarian streak
Trump's authoritarian streak is at the root of many of the controversies that incessantly batter his administration, from his race-tainted feud with kneeling NFL players, to the turbulence in his inner circle and scorn for his critics.

It's also the personification of the populist "America First" nationalism that is as close as the President gets to a governing ideology.

"He is showing clear signs of an authoritarian leader, most notably by blurring the national and the personal, considering (a) critique of him similar to (a) critique of the country, and accepting none of it," said Cas Mudde, an associate professor in the School of Public and International Affairs at the University of Georgia who specializes in political extremism.

"He clearly considers dissent as unpatriotic and doesn't believe it should be accepted or protected," Mudde added. "He craves adulation ... and he seems to only respect military leaders and force."

Identifying Trump as a leader with authoritarian impulses does not mean bracketing him with monsters of history like Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. And unlike modern day tyrants in Asia or Africa, Trump faces a robust political system of devolved power specifically set up to thwart tyranny.
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Trump has also shown a penchant for easily debunked propagandizing. His administration opened with alternative reality claims by former spokesman Sean Spicer about the inauguration crowd. This week, Trump tweeted out a misleading video about the state of Puerto Rico following his government's hurricane relief effort.

Militarism -- another obsession of autocrats -- also exercises Trump.
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"Most authoritarians in history are extremely brittle, they don't take well to criticism so they surround themselves with family and flatterers," said Ben-Ghiat. "All of this is like a syndrome and I must say, he fits in extremely well."

Trump's instincts are also reflected in his praise for other strongmen, including China's Xi Jinping, Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines and most notably Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom he has lauded as a "tough guy" and a better leader than his own predecessor, President Barack Obama.
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and Yes, Trump Is a Fascist — Here’s the Checklist
Words have meaning. When I called Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump a fascist in a recent article for War Is Boring, I meant it. I did not mean “dictatorial,” though he is. I did not mean “authoritarian,” though he is. I meant fascist — a practitioner of virulent and horrifying ideology that poisons everything it touches.

In the 12 hours since 2016’s second presidential debate on Oct. 9, Trump supporters have employed the common language of fascists and called me a cockroach and a parasite, accused me of harboring an unfair bias against Trump and told me I don’t know what “fascism” even means.

They’re right about my bias. I am against Trump. He’s a unique threat to American democracy — a fascist, wannabe dictator who, even with his plummet in the polls, is entirely too close to the becoming the most powerful person on the planet.

I’m well aware of the full meaning of “fascism.” The label fits Trump perfectly. It’s easy to prove.
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for quick reference, here's the 14 points of fascism; trump very easily and blatantly checks pretty much all of them, making him also a fascist.
  • Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
  • Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
  • Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
  • Supremacy of the Military
  • Rampant Sexism
  • Controlled Mass Media
  • Obsession with National Security
  • Religion and Government are Intertwined
  • Corporate Power is Protected
  • Labor Power is Suppressed
  • Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
  • Obsession with Crime and Punishment
  • Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
  • Fraudulent Elections
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It's hard to understand why it's still necessary to point these things out.

I get it that we all have different opinions (and that's a good thing) - but believing that trump is doing a good job is a bit like believing in the tooth fairy.
He's a nepotistic hate monger who is doing very real damage to the USA and the world.
 
Yup. Thing is m8, if people want to believe the tooth fairy exists then the tooth fairy exists and no amount of debate will change that.


Id go further and say views that are anti Trump are just going to make some people defensive and the whole thing gets aggressive.


Thats all good here as its not as if we have nukes etc at bl aimed at each other.
 
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