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The Most Euphoric drug combination possible- Mdma and strong opiates (link)

nice report Trip...
I've always been interested in this combo, even though I haven't done MDMA in over a year, and I don't doubt that the opiate/serotonin agonist marriage is one of the finest experiences available to us.
my concern, which you partly addressed, is the other substances that might be in the MDMA pill...even if it tests positive for MDMA, there are often other active ingredients present that might interact dangerously with the opiate.
the testing kits (marquis reagent) are not foolproof by any means, and I would be inclined to wait until I could get some pure MDMA powder and test it in a small amount alone before combining with the opiate.
One other thing...I thing the amount of opiate needed would be very small. I see the MDMA as the main player and the opiate softening the edges and mixing in a little of that warm contentedness we all know and love. For a person with low to normal tolerance, the amount of OC (20mg) you did or slightly more is probably enough (without the fentanyl patches). I just think being laid out on your ass is contrary to the goal of this experience, which is to be mobile, lucid, and hyper-aware of every sensation.
And at higher opiate doses it seems to me that you are coming dangerously close to a kind of speedball. MDMA is an amphetamine after all, and you don't want to be sending your heart/lungs two extremely powerful opposite signals at once. So I would keep the opiate dose low, and MAKE SURE you have quality MDMA.
Thanks for the info.
Edit: One more thing, I say fuck the weed. Unless you are a habitual smoker it's not going to do you any favours on a journey like this. I can't imagine even wanting to smoke with these two kicking around in my brain.
Trip, let us know how you feel subsequent to the experience, if the euphoria carries over for a couple of days, any anxiety or rebound depression, etc......keep us posted.
[This message has been edited by djtonedeaf (edited 02 September 2001).]
 
I was in OD chat ~5:00AM and trip basically said he could'nt feel anymore euphoric. MDMA & morphine seems like heaven.
 
Great trip report doc. One of the few i've seem combining MDMA and opiates. (can't remember seeing anything on erwoid either)
I remember Dr Tom was talking about this idea a few years ago now.
 
In my experience, I did not especially like oxycodone with MDMA. It was alright, but nothing special. I've tried it twice.. both times with 20mgs of oxy via Endocet and 2 hits of ecstasy. I'm really not into a speedball type effect with ecstasy though.
On 60mgs of crushed up MSContin with one pill of ecstasy, I had a horrible time. I felt really nauseas the whole night and felt really bad physically and mentally.
With 15mgs of hydrocodone via Vicodin and 2 pills of ecstasy, I had forgotten I took the Vicodins.
On a moderate dose of insufflated heroin and 1 pill of ecstasy, I got incredibally sick and threw up all night. My heart would race one minute and slow down the next. I was sweating profusely and I was worried that I might end up ODing, because I was feeling really bad. I lived.
With a bag of speedball (heroin+cocaine) then taking a pill, the pill didn't work very well at all and ruined the effects of the speedball.
I personally believe mixing opiates with ecstasy is counter productive.
Also, notice I combined heroin with ecstasy. The pills people describe as "dopey" or "smacky", the ones where people say they've got heroin in them.. well that is NOT what mixing heroin and ecstasy feels like at all. Infact I've never gotten an pill of ecstasy that felt like that combination and I do not believe people put heroin in pills after knowing doing both substances at the same time.
 
a friend of mine went into a coma after injecting heroin and mdma, this is an extreme case but be careful with these combo's
Peace!
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"What about china? Have you seen the Great Wall?... All walls are great if the roof doesn't fall" -Bjork & Thom York
 
OOOOOHHHH YEAH!!, I can totally relate.
The BEST i've ever felt in my life was.. 1/2 an e -go in see my favorite band play, come out & blast 30mgs of converted morphine (ends up real strong) then take other half of e MMmmmmm. I have a really low tolerance to e but a high one to opiates, which is why the half now half later e thing, that was 4 years ago, since then I've felt pretty great, but have never been able to capture THAT feeling. So yeah- go e & M!!!what a combo!
 
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