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Social The mentality and thinking in being a sex-worker - ?

Prostitution being the form of sex work in question, some girls would swear blind it's only a job and they hate every client, tolerate them etc.

Others claim if the client is nice typically they'll enjoy the sex.
Some have actually said their body begins to crave it during a holiday or time off etc.

As best I can tell, some girls are just very sexually driven and enjoy getting down and dirty for a living.

>Guy keeps talking about girls doing sex work
>@Arrall pointedly remarks that most sex workers are in fact not really female
>I post entire comment detailing my experiences doing sex work under duress and out of choice as a trans masculine person
>This dude here still like 'but the girls just love having sex' dude do you know how many gay escorting sites there are
 
Hey, so I'm actually a trans male sex worker. I used to do more conventional stuff, now I'm much more a higher class escort.

My initial foray into sex work was actually to pay for my testosterone while homeless. I had no welfare payments and I needed the prescription filled. I'd sort of always known there was significantly higher interest in trans rather than cis sex workers, but I never thought it would apply to me.

I didn't initially engage with it as I (correctly) feared it would create a vicious cycle. Eventually my drug use increased with my introduction to intravenous meth and temporary access to heroin and I started in earnest.

I advertised on Craigslist personal back when this was a thing, and I'd deliberately make myself sound disgusting. 'ftm tranny slut' and shit like that so I would be sure to get people contacting me. I needed the drugs. Problem was, there was a huge power imbalance and it was obvious from the start. I got paid between $50-$150 to have sex with men old enough to be my dad, who would often deliberately misgender me in anger when I refused to wear women's clothing, and demand I refer to myself often as a 'dirty little girl's or 'daddys princess'. Often they wouldn't even let me shower after they were done, they'd just throw the money at me telling me to walk home.

It actually fucked me up so much because my original childhood trauma was being intentionally misgendered by way of being sexually abused as an assigned female person and it was blow by blow living it over and over again.

But I couldn't go without the money. When I went to rehab in late 2017 my friend begged me to stop doing sex work when he found out that was how I afforded the drugs. He bluntly stated he could imagine it resulting in a relapse. I promptly agreed.

I did a bunch of work on this in therapy over the years and eventually dipped my toes back in but in a very different nature. Now it isn't my main source of income. If I see two people in a week or two in two months I'm unbothered. I don't meet pushy clients, nor ones that don't respect the hours I have set for being contacted. I do not enagage with people who demand additional pictures, as I'm very upfront about being discreet and ensuring that for my clients. I am unwavering that if they bring up me being trans at any stage during sexual activities that their money is forfeit and the session over - I'm aware it's a fetish, but I don't actually have to hear it. They can book a another seperate session if they are so interested in it. I have had to adhere to that rule twice in 2 years. I don't agree to see anyone who thinks my prices are steep or I'm asking too much. I am literally the sole trans male sex worker in the entire stage on the agency website. my price is the market price and what I say is valid goes. If they dont want to pay, they can go without. I don't see people who try to get a bargain or ask me to do a 15 minute session because they don't want to pay for the full 30. And I never see people who don't pay me upfront. Most of all, I won't do outcall to a new client until I have a decent read on them.

A lot of the time I don't actually spend having sex these days. Coffee dates and dinner dates, listening to clients rant about work, hearing about impending divorces. Basic bitch stuff. Going on walks. They want the partner experience and I can provide it. And it's lucrative money for me when I want some extra cash. Even the sex stuff isn't bad anymore. I have a couple of clients my age or younger who just have really specific kinks, like one submissive guy who just begged me to twist his nipples for 30 min then he nutted in my sink because he's not allowed to cum while having sex, apparently. Weird but who am I to judge. I just get paid.

However I say this with full force. Do not do sex work to pay for basic necessities or anything you are unable to live without. Do not do it out of necessity. It will ruin your life and more and strip your soul from your body. You will learn new ways to hate yourself. Sometimes I left seeing clients crying about only being paid $150 because if I had gotten double that I'd have been able to afford enough heroin to try and kill myself.

If it does that much damage to you and you also have a trauma connection like I do, take a very extended leave of absence from it. Completely. I am seriously not lying when I said I didn't do it in 5 years. Not one single thing. Then when I did, I flipped it on its head. I made it my choice, with my rules, for my money, and my boundaries. No questions asked, no second chances.

The only way I am able to do it now is that I also do not enagage with it to have extra money for drugs again. It's just nice stuff. The last thing I bought myself was a Nintendo switch.

Sex work *is* work. But it has to fully be free and consenting. I find it liberating to have all the power in the relationship now because I have want they want and they have nothing really that I need.

However, it is important to remember that I also am in a unique position being asexual for the most part. So every once in a while when my sex drive would get triggered I'd find some random off Grindr and hook up with them. And I'd think the whole time 'fuck this is boring and a chore he should really be paying me' until it dawned on me. I could fix the bi monthly asexual desire, and get paid. It's a chore to me anyway. Why not get $500 for an hour of work with someone who wants to worship my body.

In short, do not recommend if you need to do this to make ends meet.

However if you can establish good personal boundaries and have no moral issues it's very flexible and lucrative.

Also lol did some guy just say trannies are all men? I love when tramsphobic people are so stupid and ignorant they compliment me without meaning to. Thanks man. Wanna talk to me about my tranny penis now too? I reckon it's super cool when I donate $50 to some guys fundraiser to help out since he seems in a bad spot then he reveals himself to be a full transphobe. Really makes me feel like money well spent. Should have donated it to my local trans group. But ah well, he can live in peace being aggressively tramsphobic to people like me for zero reason while knowing a gross disgusting tranny was kind enough to donate to him. Funny now the world works hey.

Amazing post @Eligiu. Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and perspective on this topic. Here on BL, and especially in Sex. Love, and Relationships we need a lot more diversity in perspectives as mostly, but not always, many voices on these topics are strictly cis-male ones that tend to objectify and ‘other’ different voices. Not that necessarily do so maliciously, I suspect it is most likely due to lack of opportunity to learn from others given the lack of diversity in our membership,.
 
@JohnBoy2000

You have no obligation to do this, but would you please consider posting your actual personal experience as a customer with sex-workers? Your posting is ambiguous in this regard and sometimes suggests you are a concerned observer thinking more hypothetically or abstractly about how this work effects (in your concern) cis-women in different contexts and at other times you seem to be trying to develop a psychological model to explain behaviour by females that is somewhat inexplicable to you.

This thread would make more sense to me if we knew something more about your personal experience of sex workers, your feelings or misgivings about your experiences with them, and perhaps what your sex life is like more generally - from your blog I have developed the impression that you generally objectify all women as having an alien psychology that a man needs to be wary of as he seeks to dominate and contain it in order to achieve sexual domination?

Apologies if I have misrepresented your views - your blog is very expansive and complex and difficult to summarise easily. However the nature of relations between male customers and sex workers and the lasting effects they have on each other is a very interesting and important one. It’s clear we now have a few BL members from both sides of such transactions and I expect we all can learn a bit from each other if all participants in the conversation are as transparent as possible.

I feel I can ask this of you as I have been very transparent about my extensive use of/engagement with/concern for/guilt regarding sex workers in several threads already.
 
Prostitution being the form of sex work in question, some girls would swear blind it's only a job and they hate every client, tolerate them etc.

Others claim if the client is nice typically they'll enjoy the sex.
Some have actually said their body begins to crave it during a holiday or time off etc.

As best I can tell, some girls are just very sexually driven and enjoy getting down and dirty for a living.

Lol..any escorts you know are definitely bullshitting you. It’s part of the job. It’s always all about the money. Nobody enjoys fucking their clients lol. Trust me, I’m an expert 😝
 
You might wanna pull that stick outta your ass before you choke on your own hypocrisy

You are not the one to be having this conversation
 
Lol..any escorts you know are definitely bullshitting you. It’s part of the job. It’s always all about the money. Nobody enjoys fucking their clients lol. Trust me, I’m an expert 😝

I totally agree that money is the most important thing. I am unsure about the enjoyment bit though for a few reasons.

Certainly nobody enjoys a random walk in fucking them hard with no regard for the human being they are with. Especially the walk-in that expects to come twice in 30 minutes for $70.

On the other hand, several ladies I have come to know well fully comprehend that I am indifferent to fucking/not fucking when I visit. In fact I repeat and re-affirm that each time I visit. A they know it had no impact on whether I will see them again or not.

Sometimes they happily accept that offer and we just hang out. Maybe with some affectionate and non-sexual touching/cuddling while we talk or get high. But at other times they pretty much jump me and almost demand sex.

In this situation it feels that they are enjoying the experience - I think perhaps because my style of sex does not put a lot of emphasis on penetration. It’s a kind of slow, languid, relaxed kind of thing.

Given the apparent honesty in all our conversations in other topics I’m inclined to believe it when they say that they at least don’t hate sex with me. They say that not being pawed sexually and treated like an animated sex toy sometimes turns them on. I dunno.

At the end of the day it is impossible to know what another person really thinks and feels.

Early on I did get caught out by one lady who is master of providing what is called here GFE or Girlfriend Experience. My time with her was so mind-blowingly intimate I simply could not believe she (or any other human being) could perform like that all day every day for 10 customers one after the other…

…I told myself she must have been responding to me in a special way and given me something uniquely special. However I learned from some of her colleagues that she just had a gift for creating the emotional content each customer really wanted. She had in fact broken a few customers who opened their own hearts and fell in love with her GF persona and all the other ladies reported several of her customers leaving the place emotionally shattered and in tears.

I left the place stony faced and saved my crying for when I got home
 
I totally agree that money is the most important thing. I am unsure about the enjoyment bit though for a few reasons.

Certainly nobody enjoys a random walk in fucking them hard with no regard for the human being they are with. Especially the walk-in that expects to come twice in 30 minutes for $70.

On the other hand, several ladies I have come to know well fully comprehend that I am indifferent to fucking/not fucking when I visit. In fact I repeat and re-affirm that each time I visit. A they know it had no impact on whether I will see them again or not.

Sometimes they happily accept that offer and we just hang out. Maybe with some affectionate and non-sexual touching/cuddling while we talk or get high. But at other times they pretty much jump me and almost demand sex.

In this situation it feels that they are enjoying the experience - I think perhaps because my style of sex does not put a lot of emphasis on penetration. It’s a kind of slow, languid, relaxed kind of thing.

Given the apparent honesty in all our conversations in other topics I’m inclined to believe it when they say that they at least don’t hate sex with me. They say that not being pawed sexually and treated like an animated sex toy sometimes turns them on. I dunno.

At the end of the day it is impossible to know what another person really thinks and feels.

Early on I did get caught out by one lady who is master of providing what is called here GFE or Girlfriend Experience. My time with her was so mind-blowingly intimate I simply could not believe she (or any other human being) could perform like that all day every day for 10 customers one after the other…

…I told myself she must have been responding to me in a special way and given me something uniquely special. However I learned from some of her colleagues that she just had a gift for creating the emotional content each customer really wanted. She had in fact broken a few customers who opened their own hearts and fell in love with her GF persona and all the other ladies reported several of her customers leaving the place emotionally shattered and in tears.

I left the place stony faced and saved my crying for when I got home
Damn..what kinda escorts are you getting for 70 bucks tho? I’ve never even heard of some shit like that tbh.
 
I totally agree that money is the most important thing. I am unsure about the enjoyment bit though for a few reasons.

Certainly nobody enjoys a random walk in fucking them hard with no regard for the human being they are with. Especially the walk-in that expects to come twice in 30 minutes for $70.

On the other hand, several ladies I have come to know well fully comprehend that I am indifferent to fucking/not fucking when I visit. In fact I repeat and re-affirm that each time I visit. A they know it had no impact on whether I will see them again or not.

Sometimes they happily accept that offer and we just hang out. Maybe with some affectionate and non-sexual touching/cuddling while we talk or get high. But at other times they pretty much jump me and almost demand sex.

In this situation it feels that they are enjoying the experience - I think perhaps because my style of sex does not put a lot of emphasis on penetration. It’s a kind of slow, languid, relaxed kind of thing.

Given the apparent honesty in all our conversations in other topics I’m inclined to believe it when they say that they at least don’t hate sex with me. They say that not being pawed sexually and treated like an animated sex toy sometimes turns them on. I dunno.

At the end of the day it is impossible to know what another person really thinks and feels.

Early on I did get caught out by one lady who is master of providing what is called here GFE or Girlfriend Experience. My time with her was so mind-blowingly intimate I simply could not believe she (or any other human being) could perform like that all day every day for 10 customers one after the other…

…I told myself she must have been responding to me in a special way and given me something uniquely special. However I learned from some of her colleagues that she just had a gift for creating the emotional content each customer really wanted. She had in fact broken a few customers who opened their own hearts and fell in love with her GF persona and all the other ladies reported several of her customers leaving the place emotionally shattered and in tears.

I left the place stony faced and saved my crying for when I got home

I was always very good at the GFE. Dudes would literally never even fathom that I was running game on them to get to the bag. Some women like me are really good at playing the part.
 
Damn..what kinda escorts are you getting for 70 bucks tho? I’ve never even heard of some shit like that tbh.
I’m not paying anybody $70.

In Sydney however there are many Asian brothels where the per hour price is around $150. Most of these shops offer quickies which might be 20-30 minutes for $60-70. Some ladies actually prefer the $60/20 minute session because they make more money faster that way - despite having to work damn hard for it.

The ladies in these shops tend to range in age from 35-50 years and are on 2 or 3 year working visas to Australia. Because AUD 1 = RMB 5, the chinese ladies feel they are making 750 an hour rather than 150 and they send 90 % of what they earn home.

Personally I never spend less than 2 hours with anyone and usually tip on top of the $300 that costs - whether I fuck or not. I like these ladies because they are closer to me in age and are a lot more engaging than the 20 somethings in shops where it might be $400 an hour.
 
I feel like the real question should be about the mentality of those that like fucking dead beats....cause that would be me

If ya don't have a job, live with ya mom and have 2 or more baby mammas come at me bruh...lemme love you....I gotchur bail money
 
I was always very good at the GFE. Dudes would literally never even fathom that I was running game on them to get to the bag. Some women like me are really good at playing the part.

Although many men here would therefore cast you as ‘manipulative’ I don’t see it that way. Men who forget they are buying a service that ends when they leave the room kind of deserve what they get.

At the same time, sex workers who cynically play very vulnerable men are pretty reprehensible in my view. Older men who have lost their wife of 40 years for example. Or men who are lonely due to reasons other than being a woman-hating cunt.
 
I’m not paying anybody $70.

In Sydney however there are many Asian brothels where the per hour price is around $150. Most of these shops offer quickies which might be 20-30 minutes for $60-70. Some ladies actually prefer the $60/20 minute session because they make more money faster that way - despite having to work damn hard for it.

The ladies in these shops tend to range in age from 35-50 years and are on 2 or 3 year working visas to Australia. Because AUD 1 = RMB 5, the chinese ladies feel they are making 750 an hour rather than 150 and they send 90 % of what they earn home.

Personally I never spend less than 2 hours with anyone and usually tip on top of the $300 that costs - whether I fuck or not. I like these ladies because they are closer to me in age and are a lot more engaging than the 20 somethings in shops where it might be $400 an hour.

Oh okay, I forget how brothels are legal over there in Australia. And Canada too, I believe. I’ve always been all for that, hopefully they can do that here in the states as well. It would definitely be so much safer & get women off the actual street corners.

For me, $150 is extremely low. When I was still performing in adult films, I did some escorting for elite clients. I made $1500 - $2500 per HOUR. I got hooked up with clients through a girl friend of mine who was no longer doing sex work. She would send me off to her old clients & id shoot her like 100 bucks. Used to call her my lady pimp to be funny lol. To be totally honest, the most I ever made was with a very high profile celebrity who’s known for seeing porn stars. I spent the whole night with him & he sent me home with a check for $30,000 lol. That was literally a one time thing though.
 
I feel like the real question should be about the mentality of those that like fucking dead beats....cause that would be me

If ya don't have a job, live with ya mom and have 2 or more baby mammas come at me bruh...lemme love you....I gotchur bail money
Dam that sounds real tough lol
 
Lol..any escorts you know are definitely bullshitting you. It’s part of the job. It’s always all about the money. Nobody enjoys fucking their clients lol. Trust me, I’m an expert 😝

I just don't buy it.

It's like how people think women have lower sex drive than men.

A long standing myth.

I appreciate your input but I'll need to seek out more validated confirmation in IRL before I'm truly convinced.
 
I just don't buy it.

It's like how people think women have lower sex drive than men.

A long standing myth.

I appreciate your input but I'll need to seek out more validated confirmation in IRL before I'm truly convinced.

Lol having sex with a man you actually wanna fuck is one thing, fucking a client you’d never have sex with for free is another entirely.
 
Lol having sex with a man you actually wanna fuck is one thing, fucking a client you’d never have sex with for free is another entirely.

Thing is though, bumping into a woman with whom there's chemistry and both of you know the sex would be good..... this happens all the time (to me at least).

Only, actually making the sex happen isn't as straight forward, for any number of reasons (no immediate access to a private room often being one).

IME a lot of sex workers will claim they hate their clients, but mainly cause to say otherwise.... I think it can make them feel cheap?

Of course sex workers are going to fuck clients they don't like, it's money.
But plenty good dudes attend sex workers too; she's sat about all day, probably get horny, meets a nice dude, of course she's going enjoy the sex.

lol - naughty naughty.
 
IME a lot of sex workers will claim they hate their clients, but mainly cause to say otherwise.... I think it can make them feel cheap?
i can only talk from my own experience.... but i didn't hate all my clients. i did sex work to support a very expensive drug addiction, and was only able to do it due to severe past sexual traumas forcing me to turn off the connection between emotion and sex.

the dirty old men with wedding rings, the people who try and fuck you without a condom when you've said that's not available, they can get fucked. but the people who you can actually have an interesting conversation and decent sex with, then give you a blinding review on ukpunting, they're ok.
 
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