The MDxx Discussion Thread Number 3!

[poledriver]

Ann Shulgin is still alive, i'm pretty sure. I think I was reading updates by her on Sasha's health recently. I might be wrong tho.

Nah we never reagent tested it, as we were getting the stuff in the early 90's. As you said who knows. So long ago now, I'll never know what it was. But it was enjoyable, no one ever complained about it and we had ALOT of great times on it.

 

[thestudent14]

RIP Shulgin, your work has affected people on every content of the globe. Nothing but admiration, respect and love from me. Your work has helped shape the world and will continue to do so, it's rare that someone famous pass's who has directly affected my life, Psychadelics (especially MDxx) are a huge part of my life and I have you to thank for it. A hole is left in this world without you, but what you achieved is nothing short of amazing and you will be missed by ten's of thousand's of people all around the world.

PLUR

And yes his wife is still alive (83 I believe), and from memory Ann was his second wife.

 

[mork]

Last thing there were some bonkers MDMA/MDA labs in the 90's producing stuff domestically. Heroin was public enemy number 1 so MDMA slipped under the radar for a long while. So???? These days good luck getting anything solid in terms of locally made MDxx. Stranger things have happened though.

only 7.98 kilograms of MDMA precursors were detected at the border in 2012-13. 7 detections of safrole, 4 of 3,4-MDP2P and 1 of piperonal. compare that to 1700.4 kilograms of amphetamine precursors detected in the same period

only 7 MDMA labs were detected in 2012-13 - compare that to 544 meth labs busted in the same period

if this is any indication then peeps aren't even entertaining the thought of producing local MDMA

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Dude ummm... I'm talking back in the 90's not today. I don't think safrole oil was even watched in the early 90's... Not until late 90's early 2000. I'm talking back then as is poledriver 94-96-98. Damn pcp makes shit difficult typing. Poledriver is probably talking 1990, 1992...

 

[mork]

yeah I get that man, I was referring to your comment about "these days ....locally made mdxx blah blah" ... it just supported your statement

I was around early 90's too and local made biscuits were easy to spot, they just couldn't get the binders right and always seemed flakey but strong and very stinky and blank

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Hey that is so cool I'm just a bit scat from doing some pcp. Hell of a drug but life affirming, just got to respect it not abuse it. Cheers. I'm gonna bed... etizolams knock me for 6.

 

[mork]

all cool brother - love ya work with the pcp, haven't seen that for years! and yes, one HELL of a drug

 

[poledriver]

Dude ummm... I'm talking back in the 90's not today. I don't think safrole oil was even watched in the early 90's... Not until late 90's early 2000. I'm talking back then as is poledriver 94-96-98. Damn pcp makes shit difficult typing. Poledriver is probably talking 1990, 1992...

Yep, spot on.

 

[poledriver]

 

[poledriver]

 

[thestudent14]

ummm... holy fuck.
I WANT THAT MUCH MD, MOTHAFUCKING CUSTOMS!

 

[Yeetbeat]

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[mister]

Id say every pill I ate between 1990 and 1994 were imports, doves, cali whites, snowballs, rhubarb and custards ect.....theres a definite difference in the MDMA now, very mongy and not much love, although some pills do have the love and energy that proper MDMA should have. MDMA isnt just MDMA, I do believe the precursors and synth routes affect the effects

 

[Yeetbeat]

But MDMA IS MDMA. If the synth was different, it would produce a different compound - which would NOT be MDMA.

That's like saying there's different types of water. Water is H2O. If it's not H2O, it's not water. Same rule for MDMA.

 

[poledriver]

Yeah we had so many high grade imports in those yrs. They were twice as expensive for a reason I guess. Like mister nearly everything I bought was high grade MDMA pills, often with no logo or colours, except sometimes beige or specs. I guess the good imports just arent making it over here anymore, because there seems to be plenty of them in Europe still, pr.com and a tumblr blog i follow that posts all pills and the test results from over there shows this.

We just get alof of shit here these days it seems sadly, mabey things will change again one day. Till then alot of people have moved on to shards it seems.

 

[mork]

likewise, 90-00 were the magic years for me but then it turned. I believe it had more to do with me than the pills. putting the shit stuff aside I just don't get the same effects from a good MDMA pill. I refuse to take it these days as it' goes like this ... 2-4 hrs of half arsed euphoria with 4 days of wanting to kill myself. my mates off the same pill are gurning their tits off and being all loved up and shit and I'm going Farkin what's going on here.... I've even tried good crystal with similar results.
I believe a lot has to do with mental state....

ah the days when it tested black and bubbled and fizzled!

 

[thestudent14]

But MDMA IS MDMA. If the synth was different, it would produce a different compound - which would NOT be MDMA.

That's like saying there's different types of water. Water is H2O. If it's not H2O, it's not water. Same rule for MDMA.

This is not 100% accurate, getting an MDMA product 84% or 100% MDMA-hcl is extremely difficult so it's fair to assume that some of the left over precursors may have some affect. People have noted that safrole oil by itself can be very calming and pleasent by touching the skin. Also MDMA does have different forms of itself MDMA-R- and MDMA-S+ are different isomers of MDMA and they do have different affects. Pretty much all MDMA is Racemic which means it's a mix of MDMA-R- and MDMA-S+, whilst pretty much all MDMA is Racemic depending on the method used to Synthesise the MDMA it could affect the levels of S vs R although I'm just speculating.

http://countyourculture.com/2011/05/23/mirrored-magic-mdma/

Also you would be correct in saying there's different types of water, H2O has two isomers also, two proton spins aligned parallel (orthohydrogen) and two proton spins aligned antiparallel (parahydrogen)

 

[mork]

without the need to look it up - do you know if one isomer is more active than the other? MDMA that is

 

[thestudent14]

It soon became clear that a subjective difference in potency could be observed between the two stereoisomers. R(-)-MDMA was least potent, with only threshold effects observed between 100 and 200mg. Racemic MDMA caused full effects between 140 and 160mg, while S(+)-MDMA was most potent with full effects observed at 120mg. But was this difference in apparent potency the only distinction between the two?

However, I have heard from other people that whilst S(+) full effects are felt at a lower dose there is less loved up feelings and more chargey so to speak. I can't get a reference for this as it's only because a bluelighter told me who had tried both versions and this was his and his friends personal opinion, but AFAIK there has been no study to confirm this.


And for water, I imagine both isomers do the trick.

EDIT:

"For R-, 2C-T-7, a psychedelic phenethylamine, fully substituted for R(-)-MDMA in trained mice. DPT, a psychedelic tryptamine, acted as a partial substitute. In rhesus monkeys, R(-)-MDMA significantly increased prolactin levels. For S+ S(+)-amphetamine substituted for S(+)-MDMA in trained mice. Cocaine acted as a partial substitute.S(+)-MDMA significantly increased both dopamine and serotonin levels."

Which backs up them having different effects requiring different substitutes for the same effect.

The link I posted has this info in it. It was a study done by Shulgin (R.I.P) in the 70's for volunteers to try MDMA(R-) and S(+)

 

[poledriver]

From EU -

Damn they make some good looking pills and good doses. These are 200 mg's.