Esoteric The Main Synchronicity Thread

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are we really talking about this?

coincidences coincide. Synchronicity is synchronized. Neither of these words imply anything.

thing is, we're living in a very complex universe, the majority of which we're incapable of even perceiving conventionally. There are many interdependent factors literally underlying every waking moment of our lives. The fact that some of them intertwine or share common characteristics isn't miraculous, it's causal. Frankly, I'd find it far more bizarre and deliberate if they didn't.

does that really mean anything? And if so, so what?

meaning is meaningless, as is the pondering of it. I had to give my girl this lecture just the other day. Bottom line, your job is simply to exist. Do what you may. Create purpose, or forego it. But do not seek it. It would sadden me if your entire three-dimensional existence were wasted on trying to be the four-dimensional snake-shape you already are beyond the corporeal realm. When it comes down to it, the only thing of any importance is your own experience.

don't be so quick to distinguish between run-of-the-mill, day-to-day existence and true peace. They have the capacity to be one and the same with a bit of acceptance and understanding. It isn't as hard as you think.

 

[Bercilak]

Agreed, nbsp.

Regarding synchronicity, a few months ago I was in the middle of a period of tremendous personal happiness and magic, where everything was flowing together effortlessly and I felt connected at all times to everything, and I felt that spreading from me into those I made a connection with. And now I'm not. So I need to discover why, and whether I can get back to the same place or if that place was a delusion.

It's not a delusion, but would the highs be highs without the lows? I'm inclined to think it is entirely possible for the answer to be "yes". On the other hand, I still like to feel my psychedelic perspective slip away from me and go reality slumming every once in a while. It reminds me how much I dislike my ego.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Bottom line, your job is simply to exist.

Using the phrase 'job' sounds like you're positing a teleological aspect to reality. Function is one of the first things to be thrown out the window from our 'bottom-line' metaphysics when struck wth a profound sense of the asynchronous aspect of reality during an intense psychedelic trip.

At least for me it is, what do you think?

 

[e1evene1even]

Regarding synchronicity, a few months ago I was in the middle of a period of tremendous personal happiness and magic, where everything was flowing together effortlessly and I felt connected at all times to everything, and I felt that spreading from me into those I made a connection with. And now I'm not. So I need to discover why, and whether I can get back to the same place or if that place was a delusion.

I know that feeling. In 2004 I had an intense "Kundalini awakening" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini_Syndrome and my entire life was one gigantic synchronicity. The entire universe was transformed in front of my eyes. I went from being an atheist to a mystic in an instant. This was during a period of my life where I hadn't used a psychedelics in years.

After an unbelievably intense 3-4 month period of personal growth and transformation and another year or so of "heightened spiritual awareness" and "synchronistic living", I gradually stabilized to a baseline state which is much better than where I was once was (prior to my experience), but absolutely nowhere near where I was during the peak.

Since that time, my life goal has been to get back to that mind-state and I have been filled with an underlying feeling of sorrow and grief with the fear that I may never attain it again...

Assuming we were experiencing a similar state, I have no doubt it was "real", or at least as "real" as can be expected in a holographic dream-world.

After realizing that such states of mind are attainable, the real challenge in my opinion is how to make them sustainable...

 

[swilow]

When it comes to psychedelics, I think much should be taken with a grain of salt. Most spiritualists, from the Dalai Lama, to Siberian shamans, have before all else, a remarkable sense of humour. Whilst the 'revelations' may seem important enough to hinge ones life on, theres a few problems when they are solely inspired by drugs- namely, the drug wears off, physical tolerance increases, and the feeling of awe diminishes. I've often been somewhat disturbed when people say that they don't feel much different when they are tripping; to me, thats having gone too far, at least for a while. The trip should always focus you in the moment, and give your brain that inspiration to keep being in the moment afterwards. And then you have to actually begin making the (heaven forbid) effort to actually make sure you didn't waste that time and neurotransmitters for nothing.

But its all semantics, I mean we are discussing symbols, using said symbols. No one ever said psychedelics leads to permanent ecstasty, though it may feel like that- there the Maya creeping in- or permanent depression. The goal in my spiritual life at least is to be still, quiet, to be completely motionless in such rapid revolutions I appear still, to be here now, to quote again baba rma daas. The heights and pits are illusory; the meanings are illusory; the drugs; the silence is not. Thats all I want; silence. And a connection with the pantheon of gods.

But we could certainly be missing the point; shamanic tradition, with the use of altered states of consiousness either through plantdrugs or other means, hinges on the contact with external supernatural entites, whose reality is considered to be distinctly NOT an illusion. Many ayahusqueros say that this plane of reality is indeed the illusion, whereas the psychedelic world of enttits/aliens/goblins, grand palaces of cystal, woven fabrics of light etc. is the real world. Perhaps it doesn't even matter if we feel good or bad in this reality, but what matters is our conduct between worlds. Hmm, I don't know, but these plants have traditionally been used for contact, not therapy- perhaps we are putting too much emphasison the psychedelics ability to transform us positively, instead of realising that the state actually gives us arcane knowledge that, whilst being learned and ultilised in the other world/s, can have benfical/healing, almost magical power and influence in the pretend world I'm typing this in. All speculation though

 

[luckytaak]

The pattern of Maya is the pattern of your desires and all the side affects of the actions to create those desires.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Willow, but my understanding of shamanic use of psychedelics was, in general, for the good of the community or an individual in the community. It is the same ideal as the bodhisattvas, 'entering the marketplace with bliss-bestowing hands.'

 

[Jabberwocky]

After realizing that such states of mind are attainable, the real challenge in my opinion is how to make them sustainable...

I'm not sure actually. I think the real challenge is to accept them for what they are and move past them. Not forget, but integrate. You will never have that state again, I can assure you. But, something new always arises. Isn't it beautiful?

 

[swilow]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Willow, but my understanding of shamanic use of psychedelics was, in general, for the good of the community or an individual in the community. It is the same ideal as the bodhisattvas, 'entering the marketplace with bliss-bestowing hands.'

I'd say spot on- shaman would enter 'other dimensions' and commune with the spirits/whatever, to bring pack otherwise hidden knowledge of plant medicines, spells, spontaneous healing techniques, knowledge of the Creation, the Universe, astronomy etc. and use these techniques to relieve ills and dangers to the community, predict the furture, travel, basically all sorts of eerie, spooky stuff. So much modern medicine has been derived from the knoweledge of medicine-men, witchdoctors, trance shamen etx. and the plants theyve employed, and if we stop destroying the habitat and lifestyle of these humans perhaps we'll learn even more.

Whether or not the shamans are really travelling to other, discrete worlds or are really the ultimate masters of inducing healing through the placebo effect is in dispute- though the eveidence of 'miracles' which material science rejects is everywhere through shamanic cultures. Consider the merging of b.caapi with p.viridis- the knowledge thereof is paradoxiacally said to have been bestowed by ayahusca itself- either way, its pretty miraculous.

 

[the phoenix]

Some synchronicity is legitimate divine coincidence.. resulting from your or others' HigherSelves or doubles.. in the sense that when you die, if you are sufficiently self-realized in life, then you will become more non-local and timeless than as in physical reality.. thus from your afterlife perspective you would be able to influence yourself during life and work partly on your afterlife evolution by cultivating your physical counterpart.. where the temporal paradox of this is resolved through the premise of potentially infinite parallel realities. That's what Namaste is, a bow from one's double to another's..

However other synchronicity is conventional fabrication of the matrix of evil that is the ego of every living and non-living physical thing.. the matrix of evil, through time and space, may be barely understood to humans as a 'hive mind' for utter lack of better terminology.. spanning through all parallel realities and all points in time in them.. so it is very easy for coincidence to be fabricated by the matrix.. a simple example being like that pizza commercial where the girls say oh its so skinny and they're talking about the pizza but the lame dude outside thinks they're talking about him. The matrix plants seeds of emotions, thoughts, and intuitions in us which if we even barely entertain then we unconsciously assume to be our own and flower the seeds into emotions, thoughts, and inner tuitions. So to an extent the matrix controls how we act. It possesses a hierarchy of evil astral agents of consciousness, non-local and timeless in the same way the double is. The matrix is best thought of as a test.

As for Maya... nothing infinite exists apart from the finite.. so it is illusion indeed, it is relative, it is all subjective, and the only objective variable in it, for all intents and purposes, is *YOU*.. it may also be said that Nothing infinite exists apart from the finite. :D

Regarding meaning, it seems that the West views things very symbolically, all in reference to a higher Truth or one's own Truth.. contrarily, the East views things very literally, in that if a tree is symbolic of something greater than it is devoid of its *IS*ness and no more than a 'signpost' to something else. Two sides of the same coin.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think synchronicity is Maya when it comes down to it, but I think Maya has a pattern that is synchronized.

I like this comment a lot. It helps clear up things. Yes, I think this may be a right view.

Sounds like psilocybin.lol

yep! or just dephosphorlated! 8(

 

[Jabberwocky]

The pattern of Maya is the pattern of your desires and all the side affects of the actions to create those desires.

This goes along with what squerll said and I think is similarly close to what I am getting at.

And, here is what The Phoenix said at the bottom of page 1, lest nobody overlook it:

Some synchronicity is legitimate divine coincidence.. resulting from your or others' HigherSelves or doubles.. in the sense that when you die, if you are sufficiently self-realized in life, then you will become more non-local and timeless than as in physical reality.. thus from your afterlife perspective you would be able to influence yourself during life and work partly on your afterlife evolution by cultivating your physical counterpart.. where the temporal paradox of this is resolved through the premise of potentially infinite parallel realities. That's what Namaste is, a bow from one's double to another's..

However other synchronicity is conventional fabrication of the matrix of evil that is the ego of every living and non-living physical thing.. the matrix of evil, through time and space, may be barely understood to humans as a 'hive mind' for utter lack of better terminology.. spanning through all parallel realities and all points in time in them.. so it is very easy for coincidence to be fabricated by the matrix.. a simple example being like that pizza commercial where the girls say oh its so skinny and they're talking about the pizza but the lame dude outside thinks they're talking about him. The matrix plants seeds of emotions, thoughts, and intuitions in us which if we even barely entertain then we unconsciously assume to be our own and flower the seeds into emotions, thoughts, and inner tuitions. So to an extent the matrix controls how we act. It possesses a hierarchy of evil astral agents of consciousness, non-local and timeless in the same way the double is. The matrix is best thought of as a test.

As for Maya... nothing infinite exists apart from the finite.. so it is illusion indeed, it is relative, it is all subjective, and the only objective variable in it, for all intents and purposes, is *YOU*.. it may also be said that Nothing infinite exists apart from the finite. :D

Regarding meaning, it seems that the West views things very symbolically, all in reference to a higher Truth or one's own Truth.. contrarily, the East views things very literally, in that if a tree is symbolic of something greater than it is devoid of its *IS*ness and no more than a 'signpost' to something else. Two sides of the same coin.

Thanks everybody to adding to my 'pool of thoughts.' Confusing, sometimes! 8)

 

[squerll]

^I think you need a good hit of 5-meo-dmt to clear things up a bit.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yeah, how do you do it, Squerll!?

That's the next chemical I am going to wrap my brain around. I'm on a general break from psychedelics for this month. Its nice, but I'll be happy to trip on 5-MeO-DMT soon, its been so long away from that chemical. I'm planning a trip to bless my new living space I am moving into.

Anyways, back to our regular programming....8(

Love!

 

[fastandbulbous]

Synchronicity is a resonance in existence

Funnily enough, I've always thought of synchronicity as being the construct of a mind that been revving the engine too much while in neutral (doing too many 'mind-expanders'). We perceive synchronicities, it's a pattern we place over events that links them in our mind. Some are observed, recorded, verified & tested by others and become eventually as the basis of science. The big bit is,'verified & tested by others' - I've perceived events as being linked in a manner that's interpreted as synchronicity, but on close examination don't stand up to scrutiny; it's a recognized consequence of long term ketamine use (as I'm finding) and creeps up on you in a sneaky manner.

Always revisit some perceived synchronicity by looking at it from another angle or with hindsight and it inevitably becomes apparent that the only link is in the perceivers mind; if it's not it's heralded as a scientific/technological/cultural etc. discovery

Well that's my slightly cynical take on 'synchronicity'...

 

[swilow]

The question remains- is the brain a receiver or creator of reality? Answer that please!

 

[the phoenix]

^^^ Neither, it's just a filter!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Well that's my slightly cynical take on 'synchronicity'...

No, it sounds as if you have given a perfect description of 'a-synchrony' - the realization that synchrony exists only from a certain conscious framework.

But, this is a troubling topic because surely things are synchronized in reality, there are patterns in reality if there is no pattern-perciever....at least to some extent, no?

 

[Jabberwocky]

The question remains- is the brain a receiver or creator of reality? Answer that please!

^^^ Neither, it's just a filter!

The brain is just an organ. It is the basis for consciousness, which is itself part of a complex system of survival for the organism. I think if we strip away some functions of the neo-cortex (higher order functions), we discover the true nature of the mind: a feeling machine; capable of adjusting and tweaking the organism and its environment based on intrinsic physical power and 'scaffolded' (A. Clark) support from 'external reality.'

 

[Fishface]

It is the basis for consciousness

I sometimes wonder whether it is so simple - can consciousness be maintained with just a brain?

Not that it matters a jot! %)