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The comedown depends on your dose. It can range from crippling to non-existant. I would recommend using it in combination with a plain stimulant to get the most out of the lowest dose and thereby minimise side effects.

It seems to have similar side effects when abused to MDMA, possibly a bit worse. Moderate use doesn't seem to cause problems (once per month, 150 mg per session max*).

Really I think it needs to be combined with a stimulant to ensure one gets the best from it as otherwise it can feel really intense but still lacking, which leads to excessive dosing. Approx 60mg with 15mg of 2-FMA or 25mg of 2-FA is a good combo and is very unlikely to leave no-tolerance users wanting more. A small amount of a tryptamine psychedelic rounds off the experience perfectly.

*bear in mind it's about twice as potent as MDMA.
Is the 2-fma necessary if the goal is more towards enhancing psychedelic effects and not partying/trying to mimic mdma?
I think it is, because it balances the monoamine release. This allows for a lower dose of 5-MAPB for the same intensity, increasing the ratio of effects to side-effects. I have had MDAI (a highly selective serotonin releaser) with psychedelics before (25I, 2C-B) and generally I did not enjoy it. I found it made the experience darker. For this reason I would aim for a low dose of empathogen with balanced release.
 
To start, I have no experience with any psychedelic amphetamines, not mdma, not methylone. I have only a year and a half of 4-FA use and extensive psychedelic use. So with that in mind I weighed out ~40 mg, swirled it in water and swallowed. The stuff has a very strong indole-like smell and almost a sweet taste, with a light brown or tan color to it.

Immediately after swallowing I felt a pressure in my stomach and I got really anxious. Within 30 minutes I was definitely coming up. A wave of energy came over me while at the same time I felt very incapacitated and I quickly realized just how psychedelic this would be. By about an hour I was feeling an electrified body buzz, so much energy I did not know what to do. Meanwhile my room started to assume various hues and tactile sensations started becoming very apparent. I felt warm except for my hands and I placed my hands on the back of my neck. My skin felt so good. I put some music on to focus myself and I decided it would be best to go lie down on my bed. I looked in the mirror and my pupils were quite dilated.

Around this time (1 hour) the stimulation was all becoming a bit much. The euphoria was hard to feel with all this happening around me and so I reach for my kratom. My thoughts were very scattered at this point, kind of uncontrollable, very unlike the calm, crystal clear pleasantries of 4-FA. Anyway, after the kratom I began to relax. I lie back down on my bed and began to enjoy some of the visuals. I could make out extremely colorful, static, geometric patterns on my ceiling. For the next hour or two I had a hard time deciding what to do. My mind could not even begin to focus on a show I was trying to watch.

About 2.5 hours after ingestion I could sense I was beginning to return to baseline. It's possible I killed the high with kratom. It's also possible I lacked some of the euphoria due to 4-FA use in the week leading up to this. Overall though, it was quite a powerful experience that I would like to continue to research with. Nothing about the substance felt particularly alarming on my body even though it probably was a bit rough.

Today I feel a bit out of it, but nothing too terrible. I am getting some minor residual visuals in the form of little balls of light that catch my eye every now and then. No brain zaps that I am aware of. I feel this substance has a wealth of potential, but I would suggest keeping doses pretty low. Sure, I am a lightweight as those of you who have read my other posts would know, but something felt a bit concerning to me the way the stimulation combines with the psychedelic overtones. I did not particularly enjoy the feeling of being incapacitated with uncontrollable thoughts. In the right set and setting, with the right company, I see a lot of potential here. While I cannot draw comparison between this and other psychedelic amphetamines, I see no reason not to give it a go for those who are experienced with these kind of drugs. It's a very worthy substance.
 
@Sizzle This sounds awesome!
What is the comedown like? I have 2 different batches i would like to try out :D

I took 30 mg initial dose, and I finished 130 mg's total within 2 days. There was absolutely no comedown what so ever! I was amazed. Was less harsh than 6-apb and 5-apb as well. All around, a perfect drug, as I said.

How does 5-mapb compare to 6-apb and 6-apb+5-apb combined?

6-apb is ok, depending on the batch. I had some LAME batches and one decent batch. It seems the whiter the powder, the better the batch. But 6-apb feels like a weak piperazine to me. Very dirty feeling. I don't recommend it. 5-apb and 6-apb combo is a bit better. Defnitely more intense. You will roll pretty good from this, but it's also a bit too trippy. It's like a cross between rolling and tripping. Some people might like this a lot...I did this combo on new years even a couple of years back. 5-mapb is by far the best out of the three......it feels identical to MDMA/MDA but lasts longer and is stronger and more energetic....and there is no comedown. 6-apb gave me brain zaps on the comedown. 5-mapb had absolutely no bad effects. And I get heart/breathing issues on virtually ALL stims, but not 5-mapb. So, all around this is an amazing drug. I just don't ever want to abuse it and find out about it's "Dark side"

The comedown depends on your dose. It can range from crippling to non-existant. I would recommend using it in combination with a plain stimulant to get the most out of the lowest dose and thereby minimise side effects.

But what if the low doses are more energetic than the higher ones? from the reports here it seems like it could be. Because my dose was super energetic, more than ANY other RC I've done, more than straight meth even. In fact no drug has ever given me the kind of energy that 5-mapb did. And I only started with 30 mg's. And then the people who did 150 mg's claimed to be sedated. So, i think lower dose will not require any additional stimulants.

And about the batch...well I hope i got the real stuff. I am sure I did, since some other people are describing it the same way. But if it's something different....then obviously it's BETTER than the 5-mapb. But I am sure it is 5-mapb. Whatever it is, it's better than MDMA, that is for sure. That brown powder stuff doesn't sound nearly as good. I wonder why certain batches are totally different colors? I would try to find the pure white fluffy stuff that I had. But I can't give any sources...and besides the site I got it from is hidden and cannot be found on google, nor do they allow anyone to register there any longer.
 
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Does anybody know how to properly store this stuff? I still have a good amount left (about a G) but I don't want to waste it. I'm putting stims on the back burner for a while because I can't look like a zombie anymore (job). I currently have it in a plastic baggy sealed up tightly in another bag, in an airtight jar which is in a safe, which is in the closet. Putting it in the fridge/freezer is out of the question because I sometimes have little kids over, and they tend to go through the fridge (which might turn out to be a disaster when I'm not home).

And yeah, I'm not putting my safe in there. But is there anything else I can do to keep my 5 mapb fresh, smarties?
 
I find the 5+6-APB mix better than 5-MAPB alone but the "roll mix" with 2-FMA and 5-MeO-MiPT is slightly better than the 5+6 combo. Not a whole lot in it though.


But what if the low doses are more energetic than the higher ones? from the reports here it seems like it could be. Because my dose was super energetic, more than ANY other RC I've done, more than straight meth even. In fact no drug has ever given me the kind of energy that 5-mapb did. And I only started with 30 mg's. And then the people who did 150 mg's claimed to be sedated. So, i think lower dose will not require any additional stimulants.
Yes, this is often seen with MDMA too, if you only want a light experience then you are unlikely to need or want to mix it.
 
Does anybody know how to properly store this stuff? I still have a good amount left (about a G) but I don't want to waste it. I'm putting stims on the back burner for a while because I can't look like a zombie anymore (job). I currently have it in a plastic baggy sealed up tightly in another bag, in an airtight jar which is in a safe, which is in the closet. Putting it in the fridge/freezer is out of the question because I sometimes have little kids over, and they tend to go through the fridge (which might turn out to be a disaster when I'm not home).

And yeah, I'm not putting my safe in there. But is there anything else I can do to keep my 5 mapb fresh, smarties?

You should be fine the way it is. It depends on how long you will be storing it for. But it should last at least a year or two easily, the way it is now.

I find the 5+6-APB mix better than 5-MAPB alone but the "roll mix" with 2-FMA and 5-MeO-MiPT is slightly better than the 5+6 combo. Not a whole lot in it though.


Yes, this is often seen with MDMA too, if you only want a light experience then you are unlikely to need or want to mix it.

Hmmm, never tried 5-MEO, heard it was trippy? and 2-FMA barely even gives you a buzz, I tried a gram of it once over the course of a week or so. It made me feel "happy" and normal but I think I have ADHD so I probably needed the stuff anyway. I like 5-mapb much more than the 5+6 mix because it's less trippy. But the 5+6 mix is definitely a stronger high, for those looking to get totally fucked up
 
You should be fine the way it is. It depends on how long you will be storing it for. But it should last at least a year or two easily, the way it is now.

Okay, thanks for your input. But I've heard of adding "stuff" inside the jar or baggy, eg. oxygen absorbers or something like that. That's the kind of info I was looking for, but I want some advice if you or anyone else has any. I want to make sure I know what I'm doing, heh.

Thanks though. If not, I'll be keeping it like it is.
 
Okay, thanks for your input. But I've heard of adding "stuff" inside the jar or baggy, eg. oxygen absorbers or something like that. That's the kind of info I was looking for, but I want some advice if you or anyone else has any. I want to make sure I know what I'm doing, heh.

Thanks though. If not, I'll be keeping it like it is.

I stored mine for about a year and it still was at 100% potency, and I know MDMA doesn't EVER go bad so these drugs probably don't either since they are of similar structure. But I would guess if you stored them over 5 to 10 years they might lose a little bit of potency. But it depends. I heard MDMA can be stored forever and not lose any potency. As long as it's in a ziplock bag it should be fine. But as for the other advice, I can't give you any because I never did any of that. And I flushed my shit down the toilet anyway cuz I was kinda out of control with it. lol
 
I stored mine for about a year and it still was at 100% potency, and I know MDMA doesn't EVER go bad so these drugs probably don't either since they are of similar structure. But I would guess if you stored them over 5 to 10 years they might lose a little bit of potency. But it depends. I heard MDMA can be stored forever and not lose any potency. As long as it's in a ziplock bag it should be fine. But as for the other advice, I can't give you any because I never did any of that. And I flushed my shit down the toilet anyway cuz I was kinda out of control with it. lol

Damn dude, lol. You went from praising it as your favorite rc to flushing it? Yeah, it's moreish as hell, but I would've asked a friend to hold on to it or something if I got like that. That's like throwing away your own money. =I But good job if that solution works for you, because that's better than abusing it.

I haven't done anything like that either, but I figure now is a good time to start. All these smart chem/bio people taking storage to the next level, haha, so it would be nice if they could impart their knowledge to a peasant like me. It seems like different chems have different properties, maybe even with storage situations, so I figure this thread is a good place to ask.
 
Why would SSRIs block or inhibit any serotonergic effect?

SSRI means the medication has a selective affinity for SERT (escitalopram being the most selective), a monoamine transporter protein that binds with 5HT and allows the neurotransmitter to pass through the plasma membrane and so become "uptaken" back to the presynaptic neuron.

MDMA, like amphetamines in general, acts as a releasing agent for monoamines and, by inhibiting VMAT-mediated cytoplasmic transportation, causes monoamine transporter to reverse its function through a conformational change, to deal with an excessive cytoplasmic monoamine concentration. Also it inhibits the MA transporter itself, like SERT, just like SSRI medication does. It also has an insignificant MAOI effect. The result is amplified overall serotonergic stimulus because through these mechanisms the extracellular MA concentration is elevated and so more covalent ligand-receptor bonds formed in the postsynaptic terminal intensifying neuronal messaging.

I don't see why this would interfere with the MDMA experience. Please explain!

you just answered your own question. sert reversal is an (essential!) component of the mechanism by which mdma releases serotonin, so blocking sert function with an ssri is going to block any of the mdma-mediated serotonin release.
 
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Damn dude, lol. You went from praising it as your favorite rc to flushing it? Yeah, it's moreish as hell, but I would've asked a friend to hold on to it or something if I got like that. That's like throwing away your own money. =I But good job if that solution works for you, because that's better than abusing it.

I haven't done anything like that either, but I figure now is a good time to start. All these smart chem/bio people taking storage to the next level, haha, so it would be nice if they could impart their knowledge to a peasant like me. It seems like different chems have different properties, maybe even with storage situations, so I figure this thread is a good place to ask.

My bad, no I didn't flush the 5-mapb..lol (I was thinking we were talking about RC's in general. Sorry about that. I am sure the 5-mapb would last you though for a while ziplocked....although I have no personal experience with storing it, since I only had a small 130 mg sample of it and i did it all within 2 days. I have never had it before that, or since.
 
My bad, no I didn't flush the 5-mapb..lol (I was thinking we were talking about RC's in general. Sorry about that. I am sure the 5-mapb would last you though for a while ziplocked....although I have no personal experience with storing it, since I only had a small 130 mg sample of it and i did it all within 2 days. I have never had it before that, or since.

Haha, okay, it's cool, but I was about to say...I had 5 G's, and I've gone through most of it though I've shared a lot of it. My friends still think mdma is better. I'd have to agree, esp. since mdma has always been my #1, and a close relative of it can't break its nostalgia from me.

And just that peak...nothing I've ever taken can beat that. Either I'm immune to it now or 5 mapb's peak is kind of weak. Even @ 300mg at once, I got a "rolly" trip but I don't peak at all. I thought there was more to the experience, but there wasn't as I had just found out last weekend. I get major nystagmus, euphoria, sweaty palms, body high/rush, empathy, etc. but none of the "wow, I'm tripping balls off the walls" where I get all of the above and also everything looks and sounds crystal clear, stronger empathy and emotions, head and body high all over, happiness like no other, detecting vibes so easily, etc.

Still, 5 mapb is a remarkable synthesis so props to whoever did it, lol. On its own, it's great and has its own merits. Just compared to mdma, it doesn't hit the spot imo. I'm probably gonna give mdma one last go before I get too old, heh. But psychs are where it's at for me at the moment. I actually don't plan on taking any more 5 mapb, but I'm not tossing it so hence the storage questions. Collecting it seems appealing though.
 
Haha, okay, it's cool, but I was about to say...I had 5 G's, and I've gone through most of it though I've shared a lot of it. My friends still think mdma is better. I'd have to agree, esp. since mdma has always been my #1, and a close relative of it can't break its nostalgia from me.

And just that peak...nothing I've ever taken can beat that. Either I'm immune to it now or 5 mapb's peak is kind of weak. Even @ 300mg at once, I got a "rolly" trip but I don't peak at all. I thought there was more to the experience, but there wasn't as I had just found out last weekend. I get major nystagmus, euphoria, sweaty palms, body high/rush, empathy, etc. but none of the "wow, I'm tripping balls off the walls" where I get all of the above and also everything looks and sounds crystal clear, stronger empathy and emotions, head and body high all over, happiness like no other, detecting vibes so easily, etc.

Still, 5 mapb is a remarkable synthesis so props to whoever did it, lol. On its own, it's great and has its own merits. Just compared to mdma, it doesn't hit the spot imo. I'm probably gonna give mdma one last go before I get too old, heh. But psychs are where it's at for me at the moment. I actually don't plan on taking any more 5 mapb, but I'm not tossing it so hence the storage questions. Collecting it seems appealing though.

Well consider me an "old fart" then....(lol I'm not really old, but MDMA just builds tolerence after you abuse it and you lose the magic....now, honest to god, I get a way better rush from Methylone and 5-mapb than MDMA gives me.....and I still enjoy MDMA but it's just weak compared to how it used to be. Either it's just me, or the quality went way down. Based on your statement, and other people's reports, I think it's just me and I lost the magic. I admit, when I FIRST got into MDMA in the 1990's I LOVED it and it was BETTER than ANYTHING available now BY FAR....so hopefully you still have it in you to appreciate it like that. Or possible the quality DID go down and you just got a bad batch of 5-mapb.... because I just recently got a pure batch of MDMA which was supposed to be the highest quality...and it WAS good....but the 5-mapb and mehthylone I had recently was even better)


If I am wrong here and MDMA IS the better drug, then this proves that NOBODY should be messing with these RC's until they lose the mdma magic. No point in doing 5-mapb if it doesn't get you off as much,. because I know MDMA is pretty damn SAFE from experience. You surely DONT want to abuse it, but it won't cause the problems these RC's cause nearly as fast. So,
ONLY the experienced rollers who have lost the magic should even fuck with 5-mapb....because that's the only way you're going to enjoy it more.....but if I AM RIGHT and 5-mapb is a better drug, then you should try that instead. But I guess it all dpends on many factors. And I am sure MDMA is safer based on my research and experience. But I know 5-mapb did not cause my heart or breathing issues like the 3-mmc does.

PS- you ever tried Pure MDA? You might like it better than MDMA since you'e experienced wiht MDMA....usually first timers would like MDMA better, but after a while you appreciate the stronger stuff more. MDA is a harder roll....
 
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Well consider me an "old fart" then....(lol I'm not really old, but MDMA just builds tolerence after you abuse it and you lose the magic....now, honest to god, I get a way better rush from Methylone and 5-mapb than MDMA gives me.....and I still enjoy MDMA but it's just weak compared to how it used to be. Either it's just me, or the quality went way down. Based on your statement, and other people's reports, I think it's just me and I lost the magic. I admit, when I FIRST got into MDMA in the 1990's I LOVED it and it was BETTER than ANYTHING available now BY FAR....so hopefully you still have it in you to appreciate it like that. Or possible the quality DID go down and you just got a bad batch of 5-mapb.... because I just recently got a pure batch of MDMA which was supposed to be the highest quality...and it WAS good....but the 5-mapb and mehthylone I had recently was even better)


If I am wrong here and MDMA IS the better drug, then this proves that NOBODY should be messing with these RC's until they lose the mdma magic. No point in doing 5-mapb if it doesn't get you off as much,. because I know MDMA is pretty damn SAFE from experience. You surely DONT want to abuse it, but it won't cause the problems these RC's cause nearly as fast. So,
ONLY the experienced rollers who have lost the magic should even fuck with 5-mapb....because that's the only way you're going to enjoy it more.....but if I AM RIGHT and 5-mapb is a better drug, then you should try that instead. But I guess it all dpends on many factors. And I am sure MDMA is safer based on my research and experience. But I know 5-mapb did not cause my heart or breathing issues like the 3-mmc does.

PS- you ever tried Pure MDA? You might like it better than MDMA since you'e experienced wiht MDMA....usually first timers would like MDMA better, but after a while you appreciate the stronger stuff more. MDA is a harder roll....

Yeah, by proxy of taking pressed pills over the course of 7 years total, I've most likely tried MDA (as well as methylone, meth, amp, eww pipes, and God knows what else) so I'd be willing to bet I've ran into them. During that phase in my life, I wouldn't have noticed since I was always out and about, smoked weed almost every time I rolled (iron lungs!!), and unconcerned with whether it was mdma, mda, mmda, etc. I could honestly say I've picked up more than a thousand pills during that time, and was into the whole rave scene for years like it was my secret life, so of course I was going to abuse it. I've also had pure mdma before too (the actual crystals, and I had a test kit at hand back then all the time) but I wasn't very mature or patient back then...I'd take e too often, and during a certain year of my life I took them at least every other day to the point where I felt normal only when I was on it, so I'm sad to say I lost the magic in it too. Looking back, I was clearly retarded taking it like that because I only got a slight rush, and in waves I wasn't high half the time even from taking 10 strong pills at once. You could be sensitive to it, but once tolerance builds up and you abuse it, you basically become insensitive to it. The stupid thing was that I wasn't depressed at all and had no problems. I would even go to classes and interact fine with my parents, and no one could tell I was on anything (I wore color contacts to hide my pupils). One time I was super scared because I got pulled over while speeding, and I had just taken some pills, but the officer could not tell I was on anything even though he did the flashlight, 30 second count and one leg test (though obviously he suspected so). I was so grateful I got use to it, or else he would have known because my body would've given the signals away. Nevertheless, suffice it to say, I was really immature and dumb back then.

But I just felt normal while on it, at the time. It got to the point where the positive effects were almost nil, and the negative/side effects were just unable to eat or sleep (crashes/comedowns have almost zero effect on me, and I'm naturally an optimistic person at all times). This was when being sober felt like it a drug itself, and it was just weird to me and I would feel like I'm on something when I'm not.

Anyway, I think with 5 mapb, it just affects people differently. Set and setting still makes a huge difference even though I don't like to classify these chems as a psychedelic. But technically they still are, so that's probably the reason for the discrepancies in experiences between ourselves and anyone else for that matter. But yeah, what's important is that we contribute our two cents in so that people have a general guideline, or an unskewed line in which to form a consensus, for a specific substance. Everybody's experience is right, but it may be different to what actually happens for each person. So whether one drug is better than the other is all subjective, especially my opinion because I'm obviously biased in favor of mdma. =)

I'll stop chatting now. But thanks for the convo. Enjoy the rest of your day!
 
Yeah, by proxy of taking pressed pills over the course of 7 years total, I've most likely tried MDA (as well as methylone, meth, amp, eww pipes, and God knows what else) so I'd be willing to bet I've ran into them. During that phase in my life, I wouldn't have noticed since I was always out and about, smoked weed almost every time I rolled (iron lungs!!), and unconcerned with whether it was mdma, mda, mmda, etc. I could honestly say I've picked up more than a thousand pills during that time, and was into the whole rave scene for years like it was my secret life, so of course I was going to abuse it. I've also had pure mdma before too (the actual crystals, and I had a test kit at hand back then all the time) but I wasn't very mature or patient back then...I'd take e too often, and during a certain year of my life I took them at least every other day to the point where I felt normal only when I was on it, so I'm sad to say I lost the magic in it too. Looking back, I was clearly retarded taking it like that because I only got a slight rush, and in waves I wasn't high half the time even from taking 10 strong pills at once. You could be sensitive to it, but once tolerance builds up and you abuse it, you basically become insensitive to it. The stupid thing was that I wasn't depressed at all and had no problems. I would even go to classes and interact fine with my parents, and no one could tell I was on anything (I wore color contacts to hide my pupils). One time I was super scared because I got pulled over while speeding, and I had just taken some pills, but the officer could not tell I was on anything even though he did the flashlight, 30 second count and one leg test (though obviously he suspected so). I was so grateful I got use to it, or else he would have known because my body would've given the signals away. Nevertheless, suffice it to say, I was really immature and dumb back then.

But I just felt normal while on it, at the time. It got to the point where the positive effects were almost nil, and the negative/side effects were just unable to eat or sleep (crashes/comedowns have almost zero effect on me, and I'm naturally an optimistic person at all times). This was when being sober felt like it a drug itself, and it was just weird to me and I would feel like I'm on something when I'm not.

Anyway, I think with 5 mapb, it just affects people differently. Set and setting still makes a huge difference even though I don't like to classify these chems as a psychedelic. But technically they still are, so that's probably the reason for the discrepancies in experiences between ourselves and anyone else for that matter. But yeah, what's important is that we contribute our two cents in so that people have a general guideline, or an unskewed line in which to form a consensus, for a specific substance. Everybody's experience is right, but it may be different to what actually happens for each person. So whether one drug is better than the other is all subjective, especially my opinion because I'm obviously biased in favor of mdma. =)

I'll stop chatting now. But thanks for the convo. Enjoy the rest of your day!

Hey,

Yeah you probably had more than just MDMA for sure....but MDA is pretty rare in pills. I found only 3 batches out of the 100's of times I've done it. (You might not notice the difference, but most likely you would of because MDA lasts much longer than MDMA but on a high dose they do feel almost identical....MDA can be a bit more trippier though. The buzz is pretty much the same, but MDA makes you talk NONSENSE (which I love that part about it) and it's more "Mongy" but at higher doses the rush is insane. Way stronger than MDMA...even with a tolerence you will feel the MDA from just one pill. The old G's Up Hoes Down pills (G on one side Naked Lady on the other) had MDA in them....(These lasted a SOLID 12 hours) actually there were a couple different batches. One batch had a combo of MDMA and MDA it was awesome, but the pure MDA ones were even stronger. Off the chart....I used to take 2 at once and it was more than enough! Lately the only MDA pills I saw were the White Lightnings....also very good pills, but nothing compared to the G's up....you needed 2 to 3 of the white lightnings to really roll balls (At least I did) but once you got to that point, it was nothing but an insane body rush for 8 hours straight. Definitely better and stronger than MDMA. The only other MDA pills I ever had were these Dragonflies back in the day.. I combined them with these super strong MDMA pills (Purple Air Jordans from 2007) and had an insane roll. Probably one of the best I ever had.

Pipes do suck. I hated em, except for Mcpp (I think) and once I got these Green Gators that were off the charts, they were super fun...and they were straight pipes, probably BZP for sure and something else maybe. But your pupils turned totally black on them. I scared the shit out of a security guard LOL cuz the look in my eyes was insane from that shit. He looked at me, and looked away VERY fast. He thought I was gonna kill him or something...LOL I looked in the mirror after that and my eyes were WIDE open as hell, totally black and I looekd insane. That's when I realized I freaked him out by the way I looked....lol I wish I could of got a picture and posted it here. I wasn't tryin to look crazy either. That's just how that made you look. I know for a fact they were pipes...just not sure exactly what, but I am positive they at least contained BZP based on the experience.

You also would of noticed if you had MDEA I am sure, because it lasts for only 2 hours and is a LOT more visual than MDMA...but it feels very similar with the buzz. Actually it's even more euphoric in my opinion. Only downside is the short duration. I know some people who don't care for it though. I guess everyone is different. But in combo with MDMA it's the best high ever....(better than the MDA/MDMA combo)

Wow , (I'm reading your response as I reply to make it easier to respond) you sound just like me! I also did the MDMA every other day for a while...and I also felt normal on it. I actually HAD to smoke weed and drink beer with it, or I wouldn't even get a buzz from the MDMA itself. I had that high of a tolernece. But I STILL rolled good when I drank and smoked with it. But it was mandatory for me to have the weed/alcohol/music or I would feel nothing. And this was from good pills too, like the OG pokeballs that were going around the west coast back in 2010/2011. I still remember the pills from the 90's (when I first started) were FAR stronger and better quality. Maybe it was just me and my tolerence? lol

Wow, 10 pills at once? I never did that many! Infact 8 in one night is the most I did. But I had an insane OD back in the 90's which fucked me up big time. I quit rolling 7 years because of it. If I only did one kind, I would of been fine. I had these Pink Panthers (insanely storng pills, just ONE is all you needed) and I took 5 of them on the first day. Then the second day this idiot comes over and forces my friend to buy these white bombs, (which we found out later were straight meth) and the combo of this fucked us up big time. We ate 5 of these each. Then the thrid day we got more panthers and took 5 more each. So I ate a total of 15 beans in 3 days, but it was mixing the meth and MDMA that really got to me. Had I just eaten 15 panthers, I doubt I would of done permanent damage.....but I was ignorant back then. Didn't know the dangers of mixing speed/MDMA together is far more toxic than MDMA on it's own. Our bodies kinda warned us though, we got a lot of heart issues right away from taking those white ones and we still kept poppin em. I regret that so much. I'm still messed up to this day because of that 3 day binge. And I do believe the beans back then were FAR stronger than even the best beans now a days. I don't think it's just cuz of my tolerence. They were 3x as expensive back then too. When I took 8 in one night that was in 2010 and they were good clean pills but it was nothing compared to even doing 5 of those panthers.

LOL me and you had the same life cuz I ALSO got pulled over, rolling balls on 2 blue aliens....but because I was used to rolling all the time, the cop had no idea! I was able to act and look normal enough to fool him. (Good thing I wasn't on those Green Gator pipes! LMAO! I would of went to jail for sure) I wasn't rolling absolute nuts or seeing vibrations(eye wiggles) or anything, but that is because I never see them anymore. Only very rarely, since my tolerence.

PS- And I agree that (in my prime) MDMA BLEW AWAY 5-mapb...it's just now I am making my judgement based on the pure MDMA I got recently, I liked the 5-mapb better. I think it has a stronger buzz and it feels almost identical(but also has a "peaceful" edge to it which I love....and lasts longer than MDMA, with virtually no comedown. Almost feels like an MDMA/MDA combo.....So that is why I rank it above MDMA now. But back in the day, MDMA would win hands down!

My favorite beans ever were these D&G's which were literally quad stacks (now a days if you get a quad stacked pill, it's usually totally garbage) and these were loaded with MDMA. I would guess at least 250 mg's a pill. But it was such high quality. I can remember listening to Omar Santana and music NEVER sounded so good in my life. I was calling everyone I know on my phone just to bullshit with them and say hi(Was rolling alone in my room that night unfortunately...but still had the time of my life) I also remember I had the TV on that night(but obviously Muted!) and there were these old government geezers on there, and they looked COOL AS HELL, like you wouldn't believe. (God miss those times! when we had super quality mdma that would make you love your worst enemy!))and this was all from ONE pill!

Just for conversation...what was your favorite pill ever? And are you from the US? I heard the pills on the other side of the world are a lot stronger. (probbaly like the 90's pills we used to get) I started rollin in 98.....I heard in 95 or early 90's they had what they called "disco biscuits" and they were these HUGE wafer like brown pills...and nobody even ate a whole one, because they were so strong people would just break em in half. I never got to try those unfortunately. But it seems the quality keeps going down as the world gets older....
 
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Yeah you probably had more than just MDMA for sure....but MDA is pretty rare in pills. I found only 3 batches out of the 100's of times I've done it. (You might not notice the difference, but most likely you would of because MDA lasts much longer than MDMA but on a high dose they do feel almost identical....MDA can be a bit more trippier though. The buzz is pretty much the same, but MDA makes you talk NONSENSE (which I love that part about it) and it's more "Mongy" but at higher doses the rush is insane. Way stronger than MDMA...even with a tolerence you will feel the MDA from just one pill. The old G's Up Hoes Down pills (G on one side Naked Lady on the other) had MDA in them....(These lasted a SOLID 12 hours) actually there were a couple different batches. One batch had a combo of MDMA and MDA it was awesome, but the pure MDA ones were even stronger. Off the chart....I used to take 2 at once and it was more than enough! Lately the only MDA pills I saw were the White Lightnings....also very good pills, but nothing compared to the G's up....you needed 2 to 3 of the white lightnings to really roll balls (At least I did) but once you got to that point, it was nothing but an insane body rush for 8 hours straight. Definitely better and stronger than MDMA. The only other MDA pills I ever had were these Dragonflies back in the day.. I combined them with these super strong MDMA pills (Purple Air Jordans from 2007) and had an insane roll. Probably one of the best I ever had.

Pipes do suck. I hated em, except for Mcpp (I think) and once I got these Green Gators that were off the charts, they were super fun...and they were straight pipes, probably BZP for sure and something else maybe. But your pupils turned totally black on them. I scared the shit out of a security guard LOL cuz the look in my eyes was insane from that shit. He looked at me, and looked away VERY fast. He thought I was gonna kill him or something...LOL I looked in the mirror after that and my eyes were WIDE open as hell, totally black and I looekd insane. That's when I realized I freaked him out by the way I looked....lol I wish I could of got a picture and posted it here. I wasn't tryin to look crazy either. That's just how that made you look. I know for a fact they were pipes...just not sure exactly what, but I am positive they at least contained BZP based on the experience.

You also would of noticed if you had MDEA I am sure, because it lasts for only 2 hours and is a LOT more visual than MDMA...but it feels very similar with the buzz. Actually it's even more euphoric in my opinion. Only downside is the short duration. I know some people who don't care for it though. I guess everyone is different. But in combo with MDMA it's the best high ever....(better than the MDA/MDMA combo)

Wow , (I'm reading your response as I reply to make it easier to respond) you sound just like me! I also did the MDMA every other day for a while...and I also felt normal on it. I actually HAD to smoke weed and drink beer with it, or I wouldn't even get a buzz from the MDMA itself. I had that high of a tolernece. But I STILL rolled good when I drank and smoked with it. But it was mandatory for me to have the weed/alcohol/music or I would feel nothing. And this was from good pills too, like the OG pokeballs that were going around the west coast back in 2010/2011. I still remember the pills from the 90's (when I first started) were FAR stronger and better quality. Maybe it was just me and my tolerence? lol

Wow, 10 pills at once? I never did that many! Infact 8 in one night is the most I did. But I had an insane OD back in the 90's which fucked me up big time. I quit rolling 7 years because of it. If I only did one kind, I would of been fine. I had these Pink Panthers (insanely storng pills, just ONE is all you needed) and I took 5 of them on the first day. Then the second day this idiot comes over and forces my friend to buy these white bombs, (which we found out later were straight meth) and the combo of this fucked us up big time. We ate 5 of these each. Then the thrid day we got more panthers and took 5 more each. So I ate a total of 15 beans in 3 days, but it was mixing the meth and MDMA that really got to me. Had I just eaten 15 panthers, I doubt I would of done permanent damage.....but I was ignorant back then. Didn't know the dangers of mixing speed/MDMA together is far more toxic than MDMA on it's own. Our bodies kinda warned us though, we got a lot of heart issues right away from taking those white ones and we still kept poppin em. I regret that so much. I'm still messed up to this day because of that 3 day binge. And I do believe the beans back then were FAR stronger than even the best beans now a days. I don't think it's just cuz of my tolerence. They were 3x as expensive back then too. When I took 8 in one night that was in 2010 and they were good clean pills but it was nothing compared to even doing 5 of those panthers.

LOL me and you had the same life cuz I ALSO got pulled over, rolling balls on 2 blue aliens....but because I was used to rolling all the time, the cop had no idea! I was able to act and look normal enough to fool him. (Good thing I wasn't on those Green Gator pipes! LMAO! I would of went to jail for sure) I wasn't rolling absolute nuts or seeing vibrations(eye wiggles) or anything, but that is because I never see them anymore. Only very rarely, since my tolerence.

PS- And I agree that (in my prime) MDMA BLEW AWAY 5-mapb...it's just now I am making my judgement based on the pure MDMA I got recently, I liked the 5-mapb better. I think it has a stronger buzz and it feels almost identical(but also has a "peaceful" edge to it which I love....and lasts longer than MDMA, with virtually no comedown. Almost feels like an MDMA/MDA combo.....So that is why I rank it above MDMA now. But back in the day, MDMA would win hands down!

My favorite beans ever were these D&G's which were literally quad stacks (now a days if you get a quad stacked pill, it's usually totally garbage) and these were loaded with MDMA. I would guess at least 250 mg's a pill. But it was such high quality. I can remember listening to Omar Santana and music NEVER sounded so good in my life. I was calling everyone I know on my phone just to bullshit with them and say hi(Was rolling alone in my room that night unfortunately...but still had the time of my life) I also remember I had the TV on that night(but obviously Muted!) and there were these old government geezers on there, and they looked COOL AS HELL, like you wouldn't believe. (God miss those times! when we had super quality mdma that would make you love your worst enemy!))and this was all from ONE pill!

Just for conversation...what was your favorite pill ever? And are you from the US? I heard the pills on the other side of the world are a lot stronger. (probbaly like the 90's pills we used to get) I started rollin in 98.....I heard in 95 or early 90's they had what they called "disco biscuits" and they were these HUGE wafer like brown pills...and nobody even ate a whole one, because they were so strong people would just break em in half. I never got to try those unfortunately. But it seems the quality keeps going down as the world gets older....

Ah ha, I wouldn't be able to tell the mdma derivatives apart because at that time, I wasn't aware of the differences between mdma/mda/etc and during that year I would often mix it up with meth, Ritalin, weed, lsd and shrooms sometimes. On top of that, sometimes I'd roll for 12 hours, or none at all, and then everything inbetween. The most I took was 14 at once, and was floored fortunately. But as I've said, I've taken 10 at once (blue pokeball something, don't remember because there were so many of them, in different colors too) and felt nothing but a slight body and head high, while a friend of mine who didn't roll often was rolling balls off of 1. The worst was when I would re-dose and still feel basically nothing, and then kept repeating this habit lol. That year was in 2009, 5 years ago.

I would only test stuff if it was something other than pills or if what I got didn't show up on PR. Of course, there were times I didn't test them at all or look them up (just picked up with friends and then dropped right after), which I paid the price for on those stupid, yellow Bart Simpson cutouts. I thought I was dying on those, lol. Those were pipes to the max, as I remember that trip clearly til this day.

My first pill was the blue superman (the S logo) and those were my favorite for obvious reasons. That was back in 2005, for sure. At that time, I had only done weed, lsd and shrooms. I had only taken one too, orally of course. I didn't even know what mdma was exactly or what it would do, but it was the best experience I've ever had on anything. I was at an arcade, and I was sitting while playing a game and the place was already noisy, but I could feel the onset; a rush, then anxiety like "holy shit, wtf is happening," heartbeat going fast, and through all the noise and talking I could hear basically every conversation, and each noise felt like it had been stretched out in addition to a slight echo effect (video game race car's vroom!, especially so). My body and especially my head felt like I ate a dozen weed brownies but my thinking was super clear and it felt like the extreme body high was barely but carefully contained, as if it had been tamed to the point where my clothes felt soft and smooth, and a feeling like someone made my day x100. I could not even play the game anymore, and when I got up to walk out to have a cig, even my shoes felt awesome to walk in. I was smoking, and it felt like I was smoking air and accidentally took a huge hit but I could barely feel it, only when I blew it out I realized it and still I didn't cough or choke at all. I was looking at a tree and could not stop staring at it, it looked beautiful and full of life and energy, and I could see its green, leafy color and details like never before (yeah, a tree). I was with a couple friends and it was all our first time except one, and we all started talking about deep shit that we would have never talked about while sober. I talked to people I didn't usually talk to, and even talked to strangers which isn't like me. I rolled and felt strong after-effects for 2 days straight with the help of weed, rolling tricks, and sensitivity to it at the time. The physical and mental effects were all there, and I didn't sleep at all that night, nor was I sleepy. The friend that was experienced with mdma instructed us to smoke bowls when we weren't peaking anymore, and it would straight up bring it back strong since we all took monster hits (we challenged each other to smoke about a half-gram-stuffed bowl on a bong, and then snap it through in one hit).

I'm not surprised, we all live in the same world, you know? During that year of abuse too, it was a small group of us dropping like that, with everyone else trying to calm us down lol. Every one of us were irresponsible as hell, but luckily most of us came away unscathed. I'm sure all of this isn't out of your realm of reality either, heh. We've all known or heard crazy stuff happen, but that's the drug life and partly the reason why we're so drawn to it.

Your pipe story with the security guard is pretty funny. It reminded me of an idea I had recently, which is a camera that has the ability to capture what someone sees while they're on a trypt/psych. That would be so trippy, lol. But impossible, well with today's technology...

Yeah, I'm from Cali, So Cal specifically, and I've lived here all of my life. From the 562, to 818, to the 909. I've heard that the whole scene originated from there (Europe), so I'm sure they get better stuff. I know it's cliche, but Tiesto was my fave dj back then, and I like uplifting/progressive trance. Currently my fave track is Liquid Soul-Nirvana (Activa Remix). It's a good rolling tune if you're into that genre, heh.

I'm actually on some stuff as I type but it's not that strong (2CI). I didn't take much though but I have a day off tmrw so wth. I've derailed too much though so I'll stop here. Be safe and have fun dude!
 
Please try and keep discussion here about 5-MAPB, reminiscence is very welcome but it might make it hard for people to research 5-MAPB using this thread :)


edit: just realised this isn't in PD, feel free to ignore me!
 
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