The Limitations of Electronic Music

saying guitar and drums are "easier" then good turntablism is a foolish statement, I bet basic guitar and drums may be easier then turntables, but come on people spend their entire life "mastering" an instrument saying it is easier to become great at one instrument when compared to another is insulting. Another point is some feel the only way to learn to play guitar is to get up and play it, not be taught it, yes the turntables/guitars/drums are all instruments but in no way is one easier or harder to become truelly great with...
 
mushman1 said:
^who is this you are talking about?
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Herbert. . .

He's on K7

http://www.magicandaccident.com/
http://www.k7.com/data.pl?artist=602


I saw him play in Switzerland at the Charminox music festival, (he opened for Ursla Rucker and Kruder and Dorfmeister), and he made an entire song, live, on stage, with a sample of the audience going "Hummmmmm" and a guy on Piano playing along. AND it sounded good.
 
Mystic Styles said:
give credit where credit is due though, junkie xl (and charlie may as well i believe) did more production work on that album than sasha did.
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Um, ok I was referring to the title of the set. Should I really research every single thing I reference and include every name that was on the project? Maybe I should give credit to the distribution company, or the artist who designed the cover perhaps?
 
guitar and drums are FAR easier to learn than GOOD turntablism...
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You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

Talk to me about guitar and drums being easier when you're in your third decade with an instrument.

A person can be damn competent with turntables in a couple years of solid practice.

Right around the two year mark, a guitarist or a drummer suddenly begins to realize just how far away true competency lies.
 
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this argument will never end. Noise is noise. It takes talent to create good noise. Be it with a computer, or a guitar or a fucking washboard! Christ!!!!!!!!!!! Get Over IT!!!!
 
I don't understand how people can say electronic music, in general is emotionless. It absolutely evokes emotions in me!...whether it's a svelte vocalist (w/ or w/o meaningful lyrics), a sickass bassline, just having the talent to produce a track..or what have you. If it takes me on a journey, makes me smile, dance, melt.....it's all good. :) I take electronic music (or any music) for what it is instead of disecting the hell out of it. Maybe the reason why a lot of people are turned off by electronic music is because they are not open to it..maybe they don't have a good idea as to all the different aspects of electronic music; house, drum n bass, techno, electro, 2 step, speed garage, trance..etc. A lot of people get the wrong idea because of the chessy sh*t most radio stations will pass off as "dance music". With that said, I am content w/ the fact that most dance music is not mainstream. Still underground in a way. My friends & I can enjoy the sounds, other people can/could do w/out! To each his own! (I hope all my thoughts expressed here make sense!!) =D
 
eh i am about as open minded as the come, and am trying to get it, i just fail (FOR THE MOST PART NOT ALL THE TIME) to get emotion from this music, i listen to almost every genre of music, from indie, electronica ala flaming lips ect, hard rock, country, heavy metal, jam bands, blue grass, jazz, classical, folk, hell even beat poetry recordings, I just don't get the music... maybe with time, from what has been posted it seems the "not getting it" is my fault not the music's
 
here links to some good jungle:

http://www.dogsonacid.com/dev/croms...ne_-_live_on_ukrumble_-_december_6th_2003.mp3

http://www.dogsonacid.com/dev/croms/audio/Fracture_-_Live_on_UKRumble_August_29th_2003.mp3


P.S. here's a summary of good stuff you can find easily...

Clifford gilberto-I was young and needed the money
Basskick-jazzflowin (www.dynagroove.com under "mixes")
Herbaliser-the blow your headphones
Herbaliser-very mercenary


A huge problem with electronic music is that it is a lot easier to "feel" when its at a party with speakers loud enough for you to physically feel the bass ripple through your body and all the subtle background samples and tones can be heard behind the main track (hard to hear unless you have moniter speakers). Many of these tunes are designed to be heard at a party, not through headphones or computer speakers. And when it comes to house, it is meant to be *danced* to, hence the simple 4x4 beat. That beat isn't really there to listen to, its there to make people move on the dancefloor.
 
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mushman1 said:
eh i am about as open minded as the come, and am trying to get it, i just fail (FOR THE MOST PART NOT ALL THE TIME) to get emotion from this music, i listen to almost every genre of music, from indie, electronica ala flaming lips ect, hard rock, country, heavy metal, jam bands, blue grass, jazz, classical, folk, hell even beat poetry recordings, I just don't get the music... maybe with time, from what has been posted it seems the "not getting it" is my fault not the music's
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If House music doesn't move you then I dont know what will. Listen to some CD's of Marques Wyatt or Miguel Migs, maybe it will change your mind.
 
ill check them out, its just the whole atmosphere is so "metallic" and "mechanical" to me, the electronic music on a whole makes me nervous
 
It all depends on what the goal of the producer was. Much (if not most) electronic music is specifically designed to sound metallic, but there is a host of other tracks that are truley organic.

here's some nice jazzy dnb tracks:
ez-rollers -retro
Kudos - Do It Fluid
Guardians of Daliance - Turn To Gold\


Everything i mentioned to you is shared in soulseek. My name is exactly the same as it is here.
 
yeah the metallic sound is not very appealing to me, its cold and sterile in my ears
 
there are many many genres of electronic music. you may find that approaching the whole category from a different angle might be a better introduction.

i'm a huge fan of psytrance but i find d&b hard to listen to, for example.

check out 'boards of canada' for some sublime downtempo music. their track 'happy cycling' is one of my favourite tracks ever.

for something a bit more mainstream, check out underworld. standout tracks from underworld which i would recommend checking out include 'rez/cowgirl' and 'born slippy'

if you are interested in hearing some psychedelic trance, check out 'datalinks' or 'neighbour of the beast' by logic bomb or, say, 'telegram' by x-dream.

let me know what you think?

alasdair
 
i think downtempo is good transitional music for people inexperienced with electronica.. the genre has more of a focus on melody, feeling and warm sounds than the more dance-oriented genres.. things like thievery corporation, royksopp, tosca, four tet, the first boards of canada album, early global communication, plaid, early orb, pole, manitoba, etc.. i would consider the sounds of all those artists quite warm and great ways train one's ears to the nuances and subtleties of electronic music without a pounding beat hammering away.. once you get to grips with that kind of stuff, it becomes easier to appreciate things more beat oriented.. introducing someone to electronic music via goa/psy or hard tek-step d'n'b would probably make them think all electronic music is utterly abrasive, alien and incomprehensible..

i've listened to and loved electronic music since childhood, and i *still* don't get goa/psy.. :)
 
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and btw if anyone wants to change my mind and show me that electronic music can be amazingly emotional tell me something to buy and I will...
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Some electronic songs have nearly made me cry. I don't ever, ever cry, but I've been close while listening to happy hardcore or 'good' trance songs that take me back. The only other music that has hit me 'that' emotionally is some pink floyd and some grateful dead. tearing up = emotion
 
^ i seem to be forever plugging this but the sunshine underground by the chemical brothers never fails to, at very least, give me goosebumps.

you should check it out, mushman1.

alasdair
 
Yo, mushman1, go buy Fatboy Slim's Halfway Between the Gutter and the Stars...great stuff.
 
alasdairm - That track is an acquired taste. Personally, I agree with you, it's a beautiful track. I just haven't found that many people who are feeling it like we do. :\
 
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