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Opioids The lie we tell ourselves re forming dependency - is it a lie?

I’m not trying to compare splitting a single dose into two days.

I’m comparing

1). Dose on day 1 and day 2

2 Dose on day 1 and day 4

I have never been addicted to opioids, although I do Kratom pretty regularly. My point is, I think both approaches are risky. I started out thinking I could get high every 5 days but now I think that once a week is really the max you should be doing. Twice a week is too much.
 
I have never been addicted to opioids, although I do Kratom pretty regularly. My point is, I think both approaches are risky. I started out thinking I could get high every 5 days but now I think that once a week is really the max you should be doing. Twice a week is too much.


I don’t really think anyone is understanding what I’m asking l.

Let me remove the days from it.

What about one time 100 mg oxy

Vs 50mg at 0+ then 50mg at 12+ hr

Which is going to result in more dependency being formed
 
Whatever your point may be that we're not getting, I would like to thank you for starting this thread - I never believed opioids were staying in the system for that long, so I checked and learned that I have hardly ever been sober in the past 7 months despite ALWAYS spacing the goddamn doses 💀😒🤦... So thanks for the insight...

🤔 Is the point maybe that you're doing this all only like once in a month and not regularly (cuz for that you got lots of replies)?
In that case I believe that a longer time on a lower dose is less damaging/ triggering/ likely to induce a serious relapse compared to a shorter time on a higher dose, since that's likely to down regulate the receptors more "efficiently". Just my 2 ct...
 
Whatever your point may be that we're not getting, I would like to thank you for starting this thread - I never believed opioids were staying in the system for that long, so I checked and learned that I have hardly ever been sober in the past 7 months despite ALWAYS spacing the goddamn doses 💀😒🤦... So thanks for the insight...

🤔 Is the point maybe that you're doing this all only like once in a month and not regularly (cuz for that you got lots of replies)?
In that case I believe that a longer time on a lower dose is less damaging/ triggering/ likely to induce a serious relapse compared to a shorter time on a higher dose, since that's likely to down regulate the receptors more "efficiently". Just my 2 ct...
A single dose of methadone totally clean will keep me opiated for 4 days

Oxy 2 days


I guess they lie I tell myself is that when I used once ….i might as well keep using multiple times that day (24 hr period) because it won’t make much of a difference in how bad I feel when it totally leaves my system (I get a mild withdrawal even from a single use due to kindling —- even just a feeling of dis relaxation and trouble sleeping)
 
Nice thread, to add to its complexity the discussion of short vs long acting ie using methadone consecutively will stack it in your system, making the second dose hit harder but that’s only possible at certain doses that are different individually due to metabolism.

Lucid are you asking from a medical clinical perspective on dependence or more of a psychological perspective?
 
Nice thread, to add to its complexity the discussion of short vs long acting ie using methadone consecutively will stack it in your system, making the second dose hit harder but that’s only possible at certain doses that are different individually due to metabolism.

Lucid are you asking from a medical clinical perspective on dependence or more of a psychological perspective?
Dependence
 
Dependence

Dude I think it’s clear.

If your system never clears the drug then the system will become tolerant to that level of the drug being your baseline.

You’ll become tolerant or dependent and will likely notice withdrawal when you get below it.

To me. The complete system purge is far less likely to encourage dependency.
 
To me. The complete system purge is far less likely to encourage dependency.

so the “lie” we tell ourselves is true.

Using consecutively is less likely to form a dependency that spreading the two sessions out just at the end of the first dose clearing your system you take the second dose right the .


It a bad excuse I’ll use to use a second day in a row. Like well I used once day won’t hurt too much to use a second day. But if I use in 3 or 4 days when that first dose is fully clearing my system then it’s worse so I might as well use that night and the next morning and it’s not much worse than just using that initial night
 
You are bullshitting yourself. Every drug has a specific halflife; what time you take your next dose does not affect that. If we're talking heroin, that's cleared from your system in a few hours. Other opiates are longer-lasting.

That said, if you only use twice a week, it doesn't matter if it's on 2 consecutive days or not. I went for years using on average twice on weekends, and did not get physically dependent again.
(I also took regular breaks of up to a month during that time to keep my tolerance low.)
 
You are bullshitting yourself. Every drug has a specific halflife; what time you take your next dose does not affect that. If we're talking heroin, that's cleared from your system in a few hours. Other opiates are longer-lasting.

That said, if you only use twice a week, it doesn't matter if it's on 2 consecutive days or not. I went for years using on average twice on weekends, and did not get physically dependent again.
(I also took regular breaks of up to a month during that time to keep my tolerance low.)
Use methadone at night (Monday) and in the morning Tuesday….lets arbitrarily say it takes 5 days to leave your system. So it’s gone by Sunday.

Use methadone Monday then Friday…then it’s in your system till Wednesday

In the 2nd scenario it’s in your system for 3 days longer than in the first scenario.

You’re saying having the drug in your system 3 extra days does nothing to build dependence more than not having it in your system for those 3 extra days?

those 3 extra days of experiencing opioid acting on you don’t matter at all I guess.
 
Use methadone at night (Monday) and in the morning Tuesday….lets arbitrarily say it takes 5 days to leave your system. So it’s gone by Sunday.

Use methadone Monday then Friday…then it’s in your system till Wednesday

In the 2nd scenario it’s in your system for 3 days longer than in the first scenario.

You’re saying having the drug in your system 3 extra days does nothing to build dependence more than not having it in your system for those 3 extra days?

those 3 extra days of experiencing opioid acting on you don’t matter at all I guess.
I wasn't talking about methadone. That's specifically formulated to be long-lasting and is a different kettle of fish. I was talking stuff with a short half-life, in which case still having the drug on your system when you take some more the next day is not a factor. I probably should have made that distinction clearer in my phrasing.
 
If you's are trying to chip and not become dependent on opioids I'd buy some black seed oil and use either ultra low dose naltrexone (Search for that as there's an awesome thread on here about how to do it and use it properly!) or low dose naltrexone to help lower your tolerance/unregulate your receptors on the days you're not using to reduce the risk of dependence even more so!
 
If you's are trying to chip and not become dependent on opioids I'd buy some black seed oil and use either ultra low dose naltrexone (Search for that as there's an awesome thread on here about how to do it and use it properly!) or low dose naltrexone to help lower your tolerance/unregulate your receptors on the days you're not using to reduce the risk of dependence even more so!
No idea how to get naltrexone still. But I ditched bso since it is an enzyme inhibitor and can lead to nasty side effects when mixed... And since I chronically do that still I'm better off spoiling my tolerance rather than getting nauseous or close to OD ever so often... It generally makes the outcome more unpredictable so if you're not very regular with dose or substance I'd vote against it.
Edit: I got rid of my altnoids for the same reason. They're very potent boosters but got me into serious trouble as well.
 
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If you's are trying to chip and not become dependent on opioids I'd buy some black seed oil and use either ultra low dose naltrexone (Search for that as there's an awesome thread on here about how to do it and use it properly!) or low dose naltrexone to help lower your tolerance/unregulate your receptors on the days you're not using to reduce the risk of dependence even more so!
I’m kinda doing it with benzos. I can’t chip opiates. Constant withdrawl even if only using 1x per week
 
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