The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

[Jabberwocky]

I the total number of deaths was higher I could see that, because now everyone has had it basically, even multiple times. But the death RATE? I honestly just don't believe that. Doesn't at all pan out with what I'm seeing or hearing, from anyone. I lost 2 family members to alpha/delta, and almost everyone I know lost someone they or a family member or close friend knew to it. I don't know of anyone who has died from omicron. Do you? Does anyone in here? Obviously I know people have died and are dying from it, but given the number of cases is astronomically higher, for the death rate to be even AS high, let alone "much higher", you'd think people would be dropping like flies.

I misinterpreted some data. Omicron death rates are not higher than delta, but not much lower, either. The data I was looking at shows that red/Trump counties have significantly higher deaths now, relative to blue counties, than prior to the vaccine release.

Personally I don't know anyone who has died from covid, or anyone who has died in the last 3 years at all.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

the red state - blue state shit is just bullshit tho

you're still going on with that and that's got nothing to do with anything


California still leads the way and they're mostly blue


idk if you noticed, but the biggest states and the states with the highest populations had the most cases - that makes sense tho doesn't it?

 

[Jabberwocky]

the red state - blue state shit is just bullshit tho

you're still going on with that and that's got nothing to do with anything


California still leads the way and they're mostly blue


idk if you noticed, but the biggest states and the states with the highest populations had the most cases - that makes sense tho doesn't it?

I think data from political perspective is not ideal, but still has speculative value. Red counties in general have lower vaccination rate (by about 13% on average), less mandates and less voluntary mask usage. All of that combined may explain the rise in deaths there. Obviously can only speculate, though... but that's 99% of this thread. Speculation.

Big states/population will always have more total deaths due to dense population and more difficult to socially distance.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I think data from political perspective is not ideal, but still has speculative value. Red counties in general have lower vaccination rate (by about 13% on average), less mandates and less voluntary mask usage. All of that combined may explain the rise in deaths there. Obviously can only speculate, though... but that's 99% of this thread. Speculation.

Big states/population will always have more total deaths due to dense population and more difficult to socially distance.

yea it just so happens that most southern states are red - and they got hit harder

blacks got their ass kicked by it - they're mostly democrats

and so what



i don't think it has any speculative value and it's been talked about the entire length of the plandemic and it's gone back and forth - first the cities were getting hit and the republicans pointed and laughed - then the sticks got hit and the dems pointed back and laughed

it's ridiculous

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Remember when Australia was talking shit saying how fucked up we are, then a year a later, they're worse than us

right?

everybody got hit

 

[Electrum1]

i can't wait for the really fascinating evidence you present for the absolute overflow of deaths that were misrepresented as having been directly or partially attributable to covod-19

Is Los Angeles County's Chief Medical Officer good enough for you?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Is Los Angeles County's Chief Medical Officer good enough for you?

On the flipside of this logic, deaths occuring after vaccines are also incidental and not due to the vaccine.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

has it ever occurred to you that we've done our own reading from many different sources, including the ones that dishonest and idiotic antivaxxer bloggers post?

like, remember that dr. ruby, glowing moderna blood cells thing???

ffs, you're so sure you've got the right answer and yet all you can do is post ad hominem attacks and non sequitors.

i think i might go back to not responding to you anymore, @Las Veghost grower ... unless you've got that superb athletes dying from the vaccine evidence and/ or ANY good evidence for there being a substantial amount of vaccine deaths (like ANYWHERE close to the virus deaths).

seriously, i'm EARNESTLY waiting for you to back up your amazing claims and insinuations, but i'm getting impatient.

Good, stop talking to me, I prefer to not talk to walls anyway

 

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‘More than 55 percent of children ranging in age between 6 months and 2 years had a “systemic reaction” after their first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, according to data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Sept. 1.

In addition, almost 60 percent had a reaction to the second dose of the Moderna vaccine, in the CDC survey of more than 13,000 children.’

CDC Survey: More Than Half of Babies, Toddlers Had ‘Systemic Reaction’ After COVID-19 Vaccine

"BuT tHAt meANs iTs weRKinG!!

 

[Electrum1]

On the flipside of this logic, deaths occuring after vaccines are also incidental and not due to the vaccine.

So I take it this means that you don't accept that the number of actual covid deaths has been massively inflated?

 

[nepalnt21]

Good, stop talking to me, I prefer to not talk to walls anyway

the irony, that you call ME (one of the most open minded ppl in this thread) a wall.

i'll take this as an admission that you have zero good evidence to back up your claims.

 

[nepalnt21]

CDC Survey: More Than Half of Babies, Toddlers Had ‘Systemic Reaction’ After COVID-19 Vaccine

"BuT tHAt meANs iTs weRKinG!!

lol @ epoch times being presented as fact...

fyi, one of those "systemic reactions" is "irritability".

 

[nepalnt21]

Is Los Angeles County's Chief Medical Officer good enough for you?

it's enough for me to look into it further, my initial guess is that it's like in other places where they list it in two separate categories... 1) deaths where covid was the main cause and 2) deaths WITH covid where it's possible covid may have contributed.

it's not enough for me to absolutely conclude that the worldwide death toll is MASSIVELY overblown. because i'm not braindead, i need to find some more info.

 

[Xorkoth]

It's pretty compelling if LA county's chief medical officer actually said that anyone who dies for any reason that has had covid recently counts as a covid death. If that is a real thing, and not a propaganda piece going around that looks real, well, that is going to tell me that the numbers are inflated. Would be nice if we could have information about people who died because of acute covid symptoms (like my aunt and cousin, who basically suffocated to death from alpha or delta), discounting people who died and happened to have recently had covid.

How long after getting covid would you show up positive when the test is done? Anyone know?

 

[Electrum1]

It's pretty compelling if LA county's chief medical officer actually said that anyone who dies for any reason that has had covid recently counts as a covid death. If that is a real thing, and not a propaganda piece going around that looks real, well, that is going to tell me that the numbers are inflated. Would be nice if we could have information about people who died because of acute covid symptoms (like my aunt and cousin, who basically suffocated to death from alpha or delta), discounting people who died and happened to have recently had covid.

He ended up deleting it for whatever reason, but I saw it and it was a real tweet

How long after getting covid would you show up positive when the test is done? Anyone know?

Early on they had a 40 cycle threshold on PCR tests, so people who had it a month earlier and weren't contagious we're still testing positive

The CDC lowered the cycle threshold and I don't know what it is now, but it's lower than 40.

 

[Electrum1]

it's not enough for me to absolutely conclude that the worldwide death toll is MASSIVELY overblown. because i'm not braindead, i need to find some more info.

Yeah, guess my TBI made me braindead. If you're going to insult me, then I don't care what you think any longer

I do hope though, that your child's development isn't impaired by you overprotecting them due to being extremely scared of a virus that's mutated to pretty much being a cold, and I do think you know that is a possibility

I wish you luck

 

[Las Veghost grower]

The fact there still is no real trial/control should tell you all you need to know, if your waiting for the companies that make it or the agencies that approved it to admit they fucked up you’ll be waiting for a while

 

[Jabberwocky]

So I take it this means that you don't accept that the number of actual covid deaths has been massively inflated?

I do actually accept the probability of it. Although we need to be specific about "covid related" and "actual covid deaths".

However, it's also obvious that vaccine side effects are also massively inflated, especially so called "vaccine deaths".

It's also well known covid deaths were undercounted the first year. This probably explains why covid deaths haven't gone down much since omicron due to erroneous data collection.

 

[nepalnt21]

Yeah, guess my TBI made me braindead. If you're going to insult me, then I don't care what you think any longer

I do hope though, that your child's development isn't impaired by you overprotecting them due to being extremely scared of a virus that's mutated to pretty much being a cold, and I do think you know that is a possibility

I wish you luck

tbh, i never meant that as an insult directed at you (i assume you have more info than a single tweet), so my bad if it came across that way... do you really think a single dude from one city is enough? this is, afterall, a worldwide pandemic

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

However, it's also obvious that vaccine side effects are also massively inflated, especially so called "vaccine deaths".

if you guys are claiming the vaccines are ultra-safe according to studies, then how can vaccine side-effects be "massively inflated"?