• 💊 OTHER DRUGS 💊 Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads 1 Notable Threads 2
    Dangerous Combos Addiction Support
    Emergency Services Benzo Guide v.1
    Addiction Stories Scary Case Studies
    Biology, Pharmacology & Drugs 101
  • Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

Kratom The Kratom Megathread

Status
Not open for further replies.
Yeah, the guy said he took 25-30 grams a day for 9 months so I suppose maybe that could do it but I don't know.

That's certainly more than I'd do.

My biggest flaw is having once taken it 5 days in a single week.

I know better than to let myself use that frequently.
 
There are people on the internet still going through the occasional withdrawal "flare-up" from the time they got gluten from someone's Diet Pepsi on their colloidal silver.

That was before the aspartame got on the artisan high-protein bread they were eating unironically.
 
When someone says it is worse than Heroin WD or Fent I suspect they took those substances in the past and did not properly taper the Kratom until they dropped the habit completely, hence they got opiate like WD effects.

Another explanation is that people confuse cravings with withdrawal effects. Or they confuse natural reactions (sneezing when it is cool) with withdrawal attributes (sneezing and coughing are suppressed on Kratom afaik). That would be my explanation to those kind of fearmongering stories.
 
I have to be careful not to be insensitive, because it doesn't mean folks' suffering isn't real or that they're malingering.

There's a second-hand account on a different board, of a woman who had a terrible time with withdrawal from sertraline. Not discontinuation, either: she had loss of sight, as in literal blindness, going from 100mg Zoloft to 75mg. I think for someone to make that claim means they are having some kind of real issue, and you probably can implicate the anti-depressant, just not it's actual pharmacology.

And then there's people who can afford the world's slowest most comfortable taper, yet whine constantly.
 
Scrofula said:
I have to be careful not to be insensitive, because it doesn't mean folks' suffering isn't real or that they're malingering.
Click to expand...

Sometimes people on here need to hear the unvarnished truth from others that have gone thru similar experiences. Isn't that the essence of the BL mission of harm reduction? We all have different personality characteristics and I think you've done well to own yours as I try to own mine. I always try to not take take what sounds to my ears like a snarky response personally. I know myself well enough to understand that that will always be the way I process responses because naturally from my point of view it's all about me.

Lately I been prefering to listen to what y'all have to say rather than posting anything. I like being part of the BL community because you are all my unpretentious peeps whatever the age difference. My seventh grade english teacher told us "It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" and it seems like I always hear her saying that when I'm about to post something. So I write these long diatribes and never actually post them. Maybe a form of journaling in some way?

I was listening to an audiobook on the phenomenon of twitter giving people the opportunity to be publicly humiliated by complete strangers and how it's the modern day equivalent of being publicly flogged or put in stocks, in the town square. He said something like Facebook is where you go to lie to your "friends", twitter is where you go to tell the truth to complete strangers. Substitute BL for twitter and that's about how I feel.
 
Ziiirp said:
Another explanation is that people confuse cravings with withdrawal effects. Or they confuse natural reactions (sneezing when it is cool) with withdrawal attributes (sneezing and coughing are suppressed on Kratom afaik). That would be my explanation to those kind of fearmongering stories.
Click to expand...

I think exactly that...

What one person describes as "withdrawl" someone else may describe as relatively normal, or maybe just a bit under the weather.

Also, as you suggest, when people are expecting withdrawl type symptoms, they interpret every little sniff, sneeze and sort joint as withdrawl when it probably isn't. This coupled with the fact that opiate withdrawl often isn't black and white, on or off but more a linear progression of slowly decreasing symptoms.. Then there's PAWS etc.

It's difficult to fathom someone being in acute opiate withdrawl for over 2 months from kratom alone, regardless of dose or duration of use.
 
I'd still show the Kratom some respect as far as it goes for some symptoms. I might be a big baby with my lacrimation and thermal dysregulation but 7-HMG is no slouch:

7-Hydroxymitragynine is an agonist at the μ-opioid receptor with a potency, calculated using pD values, that is 30-fold higher than that of mitragynine and 17-fold higher than that of morphine, respectively.7-acetoxymitragynine has also been reported and found to be an active μ-opioid agonist.
Click to expand...
Straight up wiki holmes..
 
Its all relative I guess...everyone is at the centre of their own universe and just cos I might feel worse than you doesn't make what you're feeling any less shit..

65% of feeling like death is still feeling like death..just cos it could be worse, doesn't mean its easy....

But still, 2 months??
 
Did anyone of you Kratom vets try Akuamma ? It is supposed to be Kratom light (more like a cross between Yohimbe and Kratom I guess). I certainly won't touch it for the next few months but at some point I might and will report.

Btw. I am now almost 2 weeks off and I don't have ANY wd symptoms (just to add personal anecdote to the above horror story, which seems to me to be fabricated by a pharma lobbyist). I abused Kratom for 4-5 years and I don't feel a difference between when I was on it at last and now, the WD including PAWS lasted about 8-10 days. Yeah it is sometimes pretty boring (I rather blame life choices than a lack of Kratom) but also with Kratom times can get pretty boring. And in my experience Kratom can make a boring setting even more depressing. It is not a wonder drug. It is a pretty good mild drug, that won't wreck havoc on your life when abused, but there is always an end with any drug affair, preferably that moment should be before your life ends.
 
Last edited:
Something that can be overlooked with WDs is the fact that, often, people are using an addictive substance to medicate a problem. If you take something for years to medicate yourself, then your problem could have gotten worse during that time, and you're of course going to feel like crap when you have to deal with it again.

Also, new problems can crop up that are masked by drugs, and something that you think is WD could be a real, separate medical issue. I've heard all sorts of stories about people who abuse opioids for years, quit, and find out they have some serious dental problems that they never really noticed because they were high on painkillers as often as possible.
 
Ironically Kratom never worked for me as a pain killer. I am in less pain than when I was on Kratom. (not saying that high doses of Kratom cannot work as a pain killer but for me Kratom is a stimulant with opioid side effects)
 
Kratom and strange biology.

Hello.

I am in the 4th week of kicking a ten year habit of opioids. My DOC was Dillies at about 8mg x 10 a day. Now I have been on a taper of suboxone and down to 0.5mg every 36 hours. I have about 10 more days and then a full step off.

As for comfort med I have steered clear of mor pills. But I have beed unsing peptides (semax selank and hgh) and am trsting Kratom for the following full step off. You can check my post for more info.

I have read the mega thread so I am trying several types with a T&W and going to keep my dose as low as possible. However I have some strange anatomy. I have no lower stomach sphincter mussle and my intestinal track is missing 20% so I have absorption problems. When I take any perspiration meds the work best as a capsule. Where does Kratom get absorbed? Liquids are ok, but hard tablets pass with out much break down. If I take it as a tea or in some food would that help me and my low BA?

I am using about 5g in the morning and 2g (different type for sleeping.
 
I don't think anyone's really studied kratom digestion. It's a whole leaf, so there'll be a lot of compounds passing through.

The main ingredient is mitragynine (and derivatives), and the closest studied drug, structurally, is yohimbine. That drug has "rapid absorption" but low availability and high variability. I don't know if that means it's absorbed through stomach lining; if you have rapid gastric emptying without a pyloric sphincter, that might affect your ability to absorb the active compounds. And without a sphincter I don't know how you could delay that--if you're diabetic you just eat some protein and it'll gum everything up while your stomach works on it, before moving on the duodenum. But that requires a sphincter.

It could, of course, be absorbed somewhere else, and sliding through your stomach just speeds it up more. Too many confounding compounds and unknowns. I'm afraid to check if we have a plugging kratom thread, but we probably do.
 
I've been taking kratom for the last couple weeks to get off subs. I have been peeing very yellow. Its probably just dehydration as when I chug a bunch of water it seems to go away. But then comes right back the next morning. Then this morning I had blood in my stool. From all that plants matter ripping through my ass I figured. Still, I'm going to get my liver function tested.
 
Good idea. Let us know how it goes

I think dehydration from using kratom is pretty common, but the bloody stool is something you'll want to discuss with a doc.
 
Scrofula said:
I don't think anyone's really studied kratom digestion. It's a whole leaf, so there'll be a lot of compounds passing through.

The main ingredient is mitragynine (and derivatives), and the closest studied drug, structurally, is yohimbine. That drug has "rapid absorption" but low availability and high variability. I don't know if that means it's absorbed through stomach lining; if you have rapid gastric emptying without a pyloric sphincter, that might affect your ability to absorb the active compounds. And without a sphincter I don't know how you could delay that--if you're diabetic you just eat some protein and it'll gum everything up while your stomach works on it, before moving on the duodenum. But that requires a sphincter.

It could, of course, be absorbed somewhere else, and sliding through your stomach just speeds it up more. Too many confounding compounds and unknowns. I'm afraid to check if we have a plugging kratom thread, but we probably do.
Click to expand...

I am used to doing things to help. For example if I need something to remain in my stomach for a while I can lay on my left side. This helps to slow the drainage. I am not diabetic apbut the protein does help with other things like soft pills or gummy (medical marijuana) too.

I will try some tea before bed and see if that helps.

Thanks for the help.
 
Pickledlemons said:
I've been taking kratom for the last couple weeks to get off subs. I have been peeing very yellow. Its probably just dehydration as when I chug a bunch of water it seems to go away. But then comes right back the next morning. Then this morning I had blood in my stool. From all that plants matter ripping through my ass I figured. Still, I'm going to get my liver function tested
Click to expand...
Could be hemorrhoids
 
Fresco said:
Try different strains from different vendors.
It could be impurities like pesticides or heavy metals like lead or cadmium thats causing it.

I dont think its the kratom itself
Click to expand...

I tried different strains and different vendors, same pain every time so its definitely the kratom. Another thing is that non-prescription painkillers like ibuprofen and paracetamol don't do anything to dull the pain at all, but 100mg of tramadol, or 50mg tramadol + some alcohol takes it away entirely (and makes me feel real soft and cosy as a bonus lol)
 
Does Kratom make oxy ineffective?

I tried kratom this weekend, and now my oxy isn?t working at all. Can anyone help with explanations or solutions? Thanks.
 
Does using kratom make oxycodone less effective? I tried Kratom this weekend and now my oxy isn?t working? Do you know how long this will last? Thanks.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top