Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[Slow_Mobius]

Yeah, kava is not something to indulge often. Not to mention, it tastes HORRIBLE!!! Ugh! You will get to a point where you either vomit or think about vomiting when you drink it. Also, I had a bad reaction where my face turned red after drinking it so there was definitely a toxic reaction. I looked closely at my face and there were little red dots all over. Went away in a day or two, but it looks bad.

There is a way to prepare kava in order to get the most out of it. You need to do your research and get quality root powder to make a strong drink. You also have to buy this lil' mesh bag thing to put the powder in and squeeze it in a bowl of water multiple times to get all the goods out. I haven't done it in a LONG time, but do research on the process of making it. You won't feel anything from extracts and crappy shortcuts. You have to do it right.

One thing I remember is drinking kava, then taking benzos was pure bliss. The kava made the benzos strong as hell. Probably not recommended, but that's what I did sometimes.

When the EU placed restrictions on kava, a lot of research was poured into determining whether kava really has hepatoxic effects. On its own, it poses almost no danger. It can raise liver enzyme levels with long term use, but it poses virtually no danger unless used in combination with other drugs. Even individuals with chronic, heavy use did suffer from significant liver problems. The dangers of using kava are probably comparable to marijuana--with respect to each drug on its own.

Also, I truly do not understand why anyone would spend 15 minutes washing down dry powder from their lip. You could take that same amount, mix it in with a glass of warm water, and chug it in 10 seconds. Or you could sip it from a cup of tea.

To each their own I suppose

 

[alexvolume2]

^The taste doesn't bother me at all anymore. It used to make me gag but not anymore. Also, as a recovering alcoholic I'm really good at chugging 12+ oz of liquid at a time It takes only a few seconds to dose, you don't get the dry mouth from powder, and I have experience(reason to believe) that toss n wash made my breath bitter/smell bad.

 

[Moreaux]

I've tried several methods for ingesting kratom and have found that using a water bottle works best for me. I add a 1/4 cup of water, then the powder, then more water. If want it for the day, then I will add multiple doses (3 tbsp) and fill the whole thing with water (16oz). Just shake it thoroughly before you drink it, and it should be fine. It doesn't taste great but you don't have to worry about choking on the powder. Sometime I add asornic acid powder to potentiate it (1/4 tsp). That makes it taste more bitter, but reply kicks it up. I don't do it often as I'm not trying to catch a buzz. As a recovering alcoholic, I can chug a decent amount before I even taste anything, and the water bottles convenient to carry with you.

 

[Znegative]

What I've been doing more recently is boiling the tea down into a resin, which you can then carry around easily and either swallow a little ball of it like a pill, or dissolve it in boiling water and have instant tea. The only downside to this, is that by making the tea in general, I am 100% positive I'm wasting a large amount of the kratom (I base this on the fact that when I drink tea, I'll usually use 28g for 2 cups, but when I do T&W, taking above 4 grams either is pointless (no more positive effects) or it makes me sick/dizzy/shaky. The only reason I even bother with the tea or the home-made 'resin' is because it's convenient, and it's way faster hitting (with the tea/resin I feel effects literally within a few minutes, as opposed to 20-30 minutes for T&W).

Also, I was wondering if anyone else who boiled there tea down was able to come up with a product that was more than a 3x extract? I've followed all these simple online TEKS that claim that your yield should be about 6x, but I've never reduced the volume by more then 3x the original weight. There must be a way to do this (I would think at least)? Also, can anyone attest to an extraction method that isn't as wasteful? I've tried straining the kratom and straining it up to 4-5x, and it didn't seem to make any difference. It would be nice if I could find a way to reduce the volume without wasting so much.

And one more question, I hear that there are certain alkaloids in kratom that are opiate antagonists, and this is one theory as to the 'ceiling effect'. I've also heard that the amounts of antagonists compared to agonists is basically negligible, and that the reason for the 'ceiling' is more of a volumetric issue. When it comes to T&W the latter definitely seems to be true, as I don't really notice much of a difference between dosing 2g or 6, and really any higher just makes me feel shitty. I'm not really trying to find a way to get around the ceiling, I just want to know if there really is one and how it works so I can dose more efficiently.

 

[Erikmen]

Hi paingang, is kratom still going to be legal in the US?

I believe Kratom is legal in US or better saying 'uncontrolled' except in Vermont due to a new designer chemical which included some part of an active alkaloids found in Kratom and in Indiana as from 2012.

 

[I cup]

I believe the 5th state just banned it ..... And heard usfda has their nose on it , so who knows - if I see a fed. Vote coming up I'm ordering a kilo ....... Or 5

 

[CfZrx]

I believe Kratom is legal in US or better saying 'uncontrolled' except in Vermont due to a new designer chemical which included some part of an active alkaloids found in Kratom and in Indiana as from 2012.

Thanks Erik! Interesting news about Vermont!

I believe the 5th state just banned it ..... And heard usfda has their nose on it , so who knows - if I see a fed. Vote coming up I'm ordering a kilo ....... Or 5

Me too. And then I will taper down and off at a reasonable pace I have noticed its WDs are not as brutal as morphine for example.

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

I'm not too worried if kratom gets banned where I'm from. It's useless to me lately. Doing too much etizolam and c-lam raised my tolerance too high, I feel nothing at all from kratom. I do hope it doesn't get banned though. Maybe it could still be useful for period cramps or headaches, etc. Just not for getting high anymore.

 

[alexvolume2]

Help me lower my daily kratom dose with loperamide or SOS. Maybe CT?

Hey guys, I want to be able to take kratom once a day before I go to work. I'm currently dosing 40+ grams a day. Example: I wake up about 9 a.m. take 10-13 grams, take 10-13 grams around 4 pm, then take 10-11 grams around 9 pm. Plus or minus a bit. I've been going like this for almost a year.

This is too much, too often, and too costly. I still get good effects, butI want to be able to use kratom once a day again before work. I realize that my habit could still get out of hand again, but I want to give recreational usage a shot instead just eating it constantly to stave off withdrawals. I take my next dose before I start WD'ing, I could probably wait more time to dose. Approx. 12 hours is the max I will go while I sleep.

I have thought about detoxing from kratom with loperamide for maybe 3 days just to get over the initial shittyness of withdrawals. I need to refine and improve my plan. I would wake up around 8 am and instead of taking kratom, take maybe 16 mg of loperamide instead.

How long would the lope last and when would I need to dose again? What would be a reasonable amount of lope to take so I can go to work and not feel so shitty? I am aware that loperamide is unhealthy in high doses and I don't want any health problems from it, I thought it might be ok to use it for maybe 3 days or so? I just want to get my kratom tolerance down so I can enjoy it more. Maybe I should just buy a bunch of Start Over Stem and mix it in with my regular kratom?

I need some suggestions on how to reduce my tolerance so I can resume using in a sane fashion. I am open to any and all advice from my BL comrades. Thanks!

 

[morphine-dreams]

This isn't what you're going to want to hear, but it might be a while before you can go back to using kratom recreationally. If you only wait 3 days, using kratom again will very likely bring some withdrawal symtoms back. In my experience, you have to wait a month at the very least to comfortably use again. But as far as coming off of it, I guess low doses of lope are ok, but I tried to use low dose lope as a taper drug and it seemed to just put the wds off, when I tried to stop the lope they came back at full force. I think just tapering the kratom would be a better option. If you can get a few days worth of hydrocodone, I found that to be a great taper drug as well because in my experience it has very minimal wds, especially if used for only a few days. I used it to come off of poppy tea and it definitely made it a much easier experience. Whatever you choose to do, good luck!

 

[mike.vick]

DUDE, word of warning -keep using the kratom and just taper off of that. Lopermide should only be used in complete dire straits to avoid a Cold turkey Withdrawal. It stops your withdrawals for hours while stopping your shitting for weeks. Take 3 stool softeners and a stimulant laxative for 2 days inn a row and then stop for a day or 2 and then take for 2 days in a row again.

-It really throws off my GI track for a good week after cessation.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Looks like i will need to pick 3 or 4 of the BEST STRAINS and buy in bulk pounds at a time then vacuum seal in the next few weeks to be safe lol Complete BULL, they will ban this then legallize it once the government can control it like what they did with weed....ugh

Any idea how long it would stay good in vacuum seal? I go through around a kilo every 3-4 months.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

I would just taper the kratom until you get to where you want to be at. Keep your morning dose the same then on the second dose reduce it by 2-4 grams or whatever that ever keeps you somewhat comfortable, stay at this amount for you nighttime dose. In a couple days make another cut.

If you need to maybe add in the recommended dose of loperamide.

 

[Znegative]

merging with the kratom megathread

 

[mike.vick]

If you need to maybe add in the recommended dose of loperamide.

Don't take any lopermide ubless you have diarrhea, which you will not with kratom. if you run completely out of kratom and are having an emergency, then and only then reach for lopermide.

 

[Znegative]

merging with the kratom megathread..

 

[dannybhouy]

Odd you mention that because Kratom and Tramadol feel almost identical to me, tramadol a little more warm feeling and longer lasting though.
But if i was given a blind equipotent dose of each, not sure if i could tell the difference.
I think it does have serotonin activity. Not sure which metabolite would have it but i think that is why it mixes so well with etizolam (because that has a certain effect on serotonin too if im not mistaken).
I always say that etizolam is to benzos as to what tramadol is to opiates (i think i worded that right).

About the fiber thing, i dont see how people get constipated from kratom. 1 cuz of the fiber and 2 because it seems to be more stimulant like than the opiods that block you up.
I find im more "regular" with my BM's while taking kratom.

I was just wondering like vitamins or carbs stuff like that. I guess we wont really be able to figure it out tho cuz it's not tested for that cuz it's "not for human consumption" lol.

-HOOD

Got nothing from kratom tea tried everyway I read up about, just tasted like nice tea :-(
Now this sounds like a lot but it's only a recipe for me
20mgs amitriptyline
200mgs tramadol
Using, Cwe 10x500/30mg=300mgs or close of codeine phosphate

Please understand- to me this is tried tested and (slightly) safe for me
It gives me a good nod off it is funny when you record yourself tripping almost

 

[dannybhouy]

Got nothing from kratom tea tried everyway I read up about, just tasted like nice tea :-(
Now this sounds like a lot but it's only a recipe for me
20mgs amitriptyline
200mgs tramadol
Using, Cwe 10x500/30mg=300mgs or close of codeine phosphate

Please understand- to me this is tried tested and (slightly) safe for me
It gives me a good nod off it is funny when you record yourself tripping almost

Also
50mgs of promethizine to stop antihistamines

 

[Erikmen]

Don't take any lopermide ubless you have diarrhea, which you will not with kratom. if you run completely out of kratom and are having an emergency, then and only then reach for lopermide.

I believe you could also use Lyrica during withdrawals.

 

[mike.vick]

^^ gabapentin works for me. lyruca don't do shit.