Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[blaine0136]

yep, i was clean from opiates and all drugs, including caffeine for 16 months and one night at a bachelor party decided to drink some alcohol..i was expecting to get a great buzz but instead i just got a washed out, lethargic feeling and a minor headache to go with it..i was very bummed out..

yeah tell me about it, jeez its completely ruined now. wether our opiate receptors are desensitized/permanent down-regulation, i think we're screwed for life :/

 

[belfort]

damn im still amazed at Kratoms pain-killing effects..3-4 grams of kratom and any pain i have is gone!it even for works for DOMS, delayed onset muscle soreness..from what i remember, when i used to take oxy or vicoden, it never worked for that type of pain..

oh and the appetite suppression is also great...

anyone here have a favorite strain that they use for going out and socializing?do you use any other drugs alongside kratom for a fun night out?im still trying to find the right thing to go with kratom for a fun night out since alcohol doesnt work

 

[Oakstone]

A bit of an update from my previous post; I've continued with kratom since then, as well as had a pretty hefty powdered poppy experience, plus an unfortunately underdosed one in which I felt nothing (oh well).
And, tonight, I've had around eight drinks and am not feeling anything. A slight fuzziness, I guess, but nothing *nearing* what I'd normally feel from 8+ drinks (I'm a bit of a lightweight and 5-6 drinks is usually a pretty nice buzz for me, plus I haven't drank in around two weeks).
So I guess the stuff about kratom and opiates in general sort of desensitizing you to alcohol is true. Bummer.

 

[Rexeh]

Anyone have had any experience with Kra thum khok (Mitragyna hirsuta) whether or not in the form of 50x extract? any reports would be appreciated.

Also, with Maeng Da Kratom powdered leaf, how many grams of it would be enough to keep me well? For example, how many do I need to have the dose equivalency of roughly 30 mg of Oxycodone? Any input would be welcome & thanks in advantage,,,


--» Peace o/

 

[Zerwas]

anyone here have a favorite strain that they use for going out and socializing?do you use any other drugs alongside kratom for a fun night out?im still trying to find the right thing to go with kratom for a fun night out since alcohol doesnt work

Not a favorite strain but I like to have one(!) drink and smoke a small amount of weed when I go out on Kratom. All low dose makes it pleasurable for me. Any more alcohol or weed would be unpleasant.
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Another thing: Since I am switching around between low doses of Bupe and Kratom I experienced some kind of synergy. While Bupe definitely blocks the opioid effects of Kratom, the stimulation seems to add to the one Bupe giyes you. It is a highly productive feeling where I can immerse myself into any work or project for hours.

I really hope I can use this to kick the Bupe for good now though...

 

[Zarvarian]

Hey guys - I'm a total noob but would someone mind sending me a message and tell me how to post a new thread!??
Thank you!

 

[Xan_Fan]

Also, with Maeng Da Kratom powdered leaf, how many grams of it would be enough to keep me well? For example, how many do I need to have the dose equivalency of roughly 30 mg of Oxycodone? Any input would be welcome & thanks in advantage,,,
--» Peace o/

It's hard to say for sure, but when I used Kratom to kick smack (tar) I would generally need around 9-10 grams to get me well--not good or happy, but well.
It's strange tho, I have a huge opiate tolerance and always have, but my Kratom tolerance has stayed pretty low compared to most
It really depends on the strain, the supplier, and your personal physiology.

 

[Rexeh]

Thanks for the reply, really appreciated.

9 to 10 grams seems like a high dose to me, but I will probably space out doses taking a couple grams every hour or so. I have 5 strains (of which Maeng Da, Thai and Bali resin extract comes to mind) coming in the mail due to arrive Tuesday so looking forward to experiment with good old Kratom again.


--» Peace o/

 

[when I dream]

So I've been using kratom for a while now and one way my experience seems to have been unlike many other users is that I have never felt truly stimulated by plain leaf kratom. I've tried a few types including maeng da, white and green vein Borneo, Maylasian, Thai, and Bali, of which the Bali I use most frequently. Aside from the stimulation that I get from all opiates purely because they are my DoC and I love 'em, I have never experienced any similarities to speed/coke or even a high dose of caffeine.

I tried UEI for the first time two weeks ago and absolutely loved it. If plain leaf is a carpet bomb that gets a piece of your opioid receptors among many other things, then UEI is a laser guided smart bomb straight into your mu receptors. Very synthetic "feel" to it. A 3 gram dose felt just about as nice as I recall a crushed oxy 80 felt back when I was relatively new to opioids. I felt no real stimulation and I was in sedated, opiated bliss and after the peak it seemed to wear off pleasantly slow.

I received my six gram batch (which is a gram more than I bought) of Oxindole Enhanced Bali today and after going in to work on a project for a while I took a two gram dose about two hours ago. To be perfectly frank, if my pupils weren't tiny I would swear I was on a moderate dose of amphetamine. There are definitely opioid notes in the background but stimulation is by far the dominant effect at the moment. It is not at all unpleasant (quite the opposite), although getting an amphetamine high when you are not expecting one is a slightly strange experience. The bruxism is quite bad at the moment, as well as the anorexiant effects - both are very common occurrences for me when I used to use the more common stimulants.

I am 99.9% sure that I bought the OEB from the correct vendor - as far as I know they are the only ones who sell it. The stimulation is starting to wear off now, I started typing this post like an hour ago and I keep getting sidetracked talking with people, it's very enjoyable right now. I have to say I definitely prefer UEI, although I don't plan on getting any more extracts for a while. I would be interested to know if anyone else has ever gotten such a heavy stimulant effect from OEB. Other than that, thank you for reading. :D I generally don't make many long posts but I generally don't use stimulants either.

 

[Ziiirp]

Thanks for posting your experience. For me personally Kratom provides physical/recreational stimulation but no conscientiousness (i.e. clean, dysphoric drive) as dopamine releasing substances do. Kratom enhances your natural characteristics without providing that purely artificial boost from synthetic stimulants. In my view Kratom impairs purely rational thinking while enhancing creative thought processes.

You said, those oxindole enhanced extracts feel like amphetamines (actually completely unlikely unless laced). Then my questions would be, how experienced are you with amphetamines and whether there are strains (plain leaf), that have a high natural amount of oxindoles ? I won't buy extracts because of precautional measures.

 

[when I dream]

As I said I generally stay away from stims now but in my past I have done copious amounts of MDMA, coke (good coke), adderall and Ritalin - enough to be able to recognize a stimulant high if that is what you mean.

I'm just as surprised as you that I got this effect, and if it is laced that would be very concerning as I purchased it from one of the most reliable vendors on the web.

Now that it's been a while I can also say that it seemed quite light on the opioid effects in general. I had half expected the stimulant high to fade away and an opioid sedation to replace it but that did not, or has not yet at least, happened. So far it just feels more like a relatively gentle stim come-down.

 

[Ziiirp]

Man, that sounds too good to be true. When was the last time you tried adderall (moderate dose) ? I still believe it is artificially enriched (instead of just select the best parts of the extract as advertized) when I read you report. I am pretty experienced with every strain (plain leaf), and there have been very stimulating ones (like BWV or Indo-strains), but it was always pure physical stimulation. Kratom is for me is far superior as a recreational substance compared to boring stimulants but it does not artificially tilt your dopaminergic pathways like the synthesized ones do.

Can anybody chime in and provide anecdotal infos about oxindoles ? Pharmacokinetics for starters aso

 

[when I dream]

Yeah I agree with you there, I don't think OEB or UEI are true extracts. It's possible that they contain just one alkaloid in kratom in a huge amount or I think it's likely there are actually semi-synthetic chemicals in there derived from the kratom alkaloids (or maybe completely unrelated who knows). Neither of them feel anything like taking a large dose of kratom (as you would expect an actual extract to behave).

Honestly the last time I used adderall recreationally was back in college so at least 6 years ago (although there was a benzedrex experience, mostly positive, about 2 years back). Trust me man, I haven't forgotten what stims feel like. If I had to really liken OEB to something I have used it was probably most similar to coke, only lasting much longer. I didn't get the kind of jittery anxiety that amphetamines normally produce that good coke lacks. No rushing and less intense, but it was not unlike cocaine IMO.

I have a feeling people may have a hard time believing me on this, but I am simply reporting what I have experienced.

 

[Ziiirp]

Thanks for the reply. "Extracts" (jamboree bags) are out of the question for me. I rather get an ugly synthetic stim instead of spuring the black box - marketing of semi-herbal brews, that eventually will get relatively harmless plants like Kratom badmouthed.

 

[when I dream]

semi-herbal brews, that eventually will get relatively harmless plants like Kratom badmouthed.

I worry about the same thing. Hopefully if we ever have to cross that bridge people will realize that these "extracts" are NOT kratom and quite likely only somewhat related.

 

[Ziiirp]

Yeah, most users, that tried UEI confirmed your doubts about the origin of the molecules, that are present in those extracts. I never heard about OEM/OEB before (I think it is an American product), so it could be possible, that no synthesized compounds are involved (but just the ratios of the alkaloids differ). The probability of that case is pretty low, though IMHO.

 

[deruyityn]

Im amazed at how much difference I got when I switched strains recently.

I took a month off of kratom thinking Id get awesome effects again when I went back but to my dismay when i went back to red vein borneo (my initial favourite) I still got exactly the same diminished effects.

the month off made not a jot of difference.

So I got a permanent tolerance to it or what? Maybe not permanent but still a month is a good amount to let it go down no? I think maybe my mind was just tired of it/used to it so blunted in that manner through familiarity.

Ive tried other red veins as well and I seem to have the same tolerance/blunting to the ones I tried same way I do with rvb.

Note I was never a heavy user. 3.5 grams only once every 3 days.

Kratom ive found is alot about experimenting.

 

[RDP89]

I'm still wondering if there is some solution to the Kratom insomnia I experience.

Enough people here say that they can sleep on Kratom that it makes me wonder if for me it might be the synergy between very high dose caffeine consumption and Kratom because I always drink like between 6-8 cups of coffee a day but when I DON'T use Kratom I still sleep pretty much ok at night as long as I take Melatonin but when I take Kratom on top of it I can take 75mgs of benadryl and my usual melatonin and STILL won't sleep a wink unless it's been AT LEAST 5 hours since the Kratom completely wore off if not more.

I am going to try to reduce my caffeine consumption as much as I can but I am not sure it will make enough of a difference.

I really think Kratom just effects me that way regardless of strain since I have used bali and it never matters I still can't sleep.

Maybe it will be SOMEWHAT easier if I cut down on coffee but I think unless I could quit COMPLETELY (which isn't likely at all lol) that I still wouldn't be able to sleep on Kratom.


I know others who have the same problem as me but it still PERPLEXES me how some people can sleep just fine on it.

I mean, empirically speaking there can only be one STRONG external difference between me and any of the people who sleep fine on it and that is the level of my caffeine consumption but even though I drink more coffee than most I seriously doubt that NONE of the people who say they sleep fine on it drink coffee and may even sometimes have a bit more coffee than might be recommended.

I mean, this is bluelight afterall lol.

Other than that, there's differences in strain...but again...I have used bali which is the classic sedating vein.

There was only ONE time where I made REALLY strong Kratom tea that I nodded out for about an hour, but other than that ONE time if I SERIOUSLY overdo the Kratom I will get tired for a little while but usually that effect wears off pretty quickly, probably cause of all the caffeine in my system.


At least I know Kratom CAN possibly effect me that way from the one time I nodded off on it...but that was I think the first time I EVER took Kratom and i made tea out of it which I prefer not to do these days as I think I waste Kratom.

It's still a mystery to me...I guess drugs effect everyone differently is the best answer I can ever get??

Yeah, once you're physically addicted the only possible way to sleep is with kratom in your system.

 

[sekio]

I know others who have the same problem as me but it still PERPLEXES me how some people can sleep just fine on it.

different people have differing sensitivities to the opioid versus the adrenergic (stimulating) effects.

The alkaloids in kratom are stimulating the exact same way that something like yohimbine is. (In fact, look at the structures of mitragynine and yohimbine side by side one time). On paper, the stimulation can be reduced by either taking alpha2-adrenergic agonists (clonidine) which would be the exact reverse effect of kratom stimulation, or you can find some other way to reduce adrenaline and norepinephrine release.

 

[Drybone]

I used Kratom for about 6 months and found it not to be worth the effort.

I would buy it in 1kg bulk, then use an method to get an extract. The leaf and extract are nasty to ingest so I even went to the extent to get soft gels to capsule the product. I would go at about 5gr leaf or 2 gram extract and while it gave me a buzz the tolerance will kick in quickly. The stuff aint cheap and when you add in the extra hassle to avoid gulping shredded leaf down, its not worth it.

I found that I could just go to my vet and get Tramadol prescribed for my 150lb dog who has arthritis and pay $27 for 300 of the suckers. Much cheaper and no hassle.