• Current Events & Politics
    Welcome Guest
    Please read before posting:
    Forum Guidelines Bluelight Rules
  • Current Events & Politics Moderators: deficiT | tryptakid | Foreigner

The ISIS Megathread

The MSM have been doing that for decades. It was proposed back in the 70's to stop publicising 'terror' groups (as they are now known) and so de-fang them significantly but the MSM screamed bloody murder of Freedom of Propaganda... oops, I mean freedom of speech.
 
obama ask for congress to declare war on ISIS globally

shitshowtime

cant wait to watch scuds on cnn and smoke dope

I've said it before, US military intervention is very unnecessary. The loss of Kobani was a huge blow to the syrian side of the war for ISIS. They lost 16 tanks, thousands of fighters, no telling how many supplies and other lost goods. They poured so many resources into taking Kobani because they need the city. They're mending some pretty deep wounds after this.

Besides, we spend ample amounts of funding for surrounding government's (ahem Saudi Arabia) military capacity. I see no reason why they shouldn't be the ones taking care of this.

Obviously the policy of trying to install "the good extremists" in the Syrian government has created quite a pickle. Maybe it's time to help Assad.
 
Last edited:
Besides, we spend ample amounts of funding for surrounding government's (ahem Saudi Arabia) military capacity. I see no reason why they shouldn't be the ones taking care of this.

Problem is, the Saudi's have the same beliefs as ISIS.

And yet, the U.S.A. continue to support them.
 
Related

Christianne Boudreau's voice wavers slightly as she recounts how her little boy became an ISIS militant. Every word seems tinged with anger and regret, but most of all, purpose.

The process of radicalization is gradual and persuasive, she said. And deadly. Her son, who joined ISIS's ranks in Syria, was killed in fighting there more than a year ago.

"It's so easy for them to get to our children, to access our children," she said.

Boudreau's son, Damian Clairmont, converted to Islam after a troubling period in high school in Calgary, Canada.

The mother remembers her son's religion bringing him peace. She didn't suspect anything when Clairmont told her he was leaving for Egypt to study Arabic.

In reality, the 22-year-old was in Syria alongside ISIS fighters. He was killed during fighting near Aleppo in January 2014. (Aleppo was considered Syria's most dangerous city at the time, with intense fighting between government forces, rebels, and ISIS militants).

How did her boy -- the one in photos kneeling by a Christmas tree, or shirtless and raking leaves as a child, or sitting in a laundry basket as a toddler -- end up losing his life fighting for the creation of an Islamic caliphate in the Middle East?

Boudreau is now lending her support and voice to two organizations trying to combat radicalization. Hayat Canada and ExtremeDialogue.org are two new online resources for parents, teachers and communities to help counter extremist messages and recruitment.

"The way a lot of it happens is one main recruiter plants the ideology in their mind and the Internet reinforces that with the information that they can search up and other contacts that they can make easily online," Boudreau said.

Canadians have joined ISIS to fight -- and die -- in Syria

Her message boils down to this, something reminiscent of anti-drug ads: Talk to your kids about ISIS before they do.

"We need to start arming ourselves with the knowledge, the awareness, the education, and to be able to deal with these issues and be able to speak with our children at an early age," Boudreau said. "We do the same thing with sex education, with drugs, and this is just one more thing that our kids are faced with, a challenge."

The lack of understanding and resources available to families like hers was devastating, she said.

She was especially afraid for Clairmont's younger siblings.
Family photo of Damian Clairmont, a Canadian who joined ISIS and was killed fighting in Syria in 2014.
Mother: Talk to your kids about ISIS before someone else does 6 photos
EXPAND GALLERY

"We were living in a really desperate black hole of trauma and we didn't know how to heal from it, and I was terrified that the anger would burn within them and not being able to cope with this type of trauma and that they would follow the same path," she said.

While growing up in Calgary, in Alberta province, Boudreau remembers her son as a cuddly, warm and compassionate little boy. That changed in high school, when he experienced problems with peers and became withdrawn.

He attempted suicide just after his 17th birthday, his mother said. After his recovery he converted to Islam.

"I saw some positive changes start to happen. He became social again. The old Damian that I knew when he was younger, much younger, was starting to come out. He was socializing, he was peaceful, he was grounded, he wasn't drinking, he wasn't using drugs, there were lots of positive changes," Boudreau said.

But that changed when Clairmont moved out on his own, changed mosques and sought out more and more radical content online, his mother said.

What Boudreau learned is while youths can become radicalized online, there is nothing to counter it or to provoke questions about what they are being told.

"In fact, what's out there is only something that can reinforce those ideas so we really need to start challenging the ideologies that are being placed in their minds," Boudreau said.

Canadian security officials came to her door in 2013, breaking the news that Clairmont was suspected of being a militant and was likely in Syria, not in Egypt.

The next time she spoke on the phone with Clairmont, she confronted her son and he admitted that he was in Syria.

"He was compelled to go there to help save women and children to stop the torture, to stop Bashar al-Assad and that's what drew him there and as he told me, 'I'm finally doing something productive in my life, mum,' " Boudreau said.

She says her son was further brainwashed in Syria and the he eventually sided with ISIS, believing they were the stronger group and he was more likely to survive fighting for them.

Boudreau wishes the Canadian government had the power then to do what it is doing now: Confiscate passports of Canadians suspected of communicating with terrorists.

She wants the government to go even further, to detain and provide counseling and help to those being indoctrinated in extremism.

There are families, she says, that are desperate as they see their children being drawn by jihadist propaganda.

"The biggest problem we have is that parents -- a lot of the time -- want to be able to place the blame somewhere else," she said. "We want think that our children are safe and it could never happen to us. It's always going to happen to somebody else. That's a big mistake we all make as parents."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/world/canada-isis-fighter-mother/

Don't usually read CNN but found this interesting. If you think about it, kids are so plugged into the internet these days. Before, there was a filter on what information could be sent into homes through traditional media, for better or for worse. It really isn't that crazy an idea that we could be entering a new era of brainwashing through the internet for terrorists or other groups.

Between this, terrible privacy issues, complete lack of security, ridiculous hacks exposing billions of people information.. I wonder if we may see a backlash against the internet at some point. We already see people actively deciding to disconnect completely from social media. I can definitely see more and more people choosing to disconnect themselves from the internet as a whole, again, for better or for worse.
 
Last edited:
Not that I can tell. ISIS seems to be pretty fundamentalist, even compared to the Saudis. Saudi Arabia, in ISIS's eyes, is an abomination of Islam.
No doubt, Saudi Arabia is seen as an abomination because the royal families live an extremely luxurious and decadent lifestyle, (ignoring most of their "beliefs") while exploiting the masses. Their belief system, however, is one and the same. The writing on the ISIL flags "There is no God but God" is the same phrase as on the Saudi Arabian flag.

But that's OK because they are the friends of American royalty (Bush et al.)
 
Problem is, the Saudi's have the same beliefs as ISIS.

And yet, the U.S.A. continue to support them.

You're right, SA, the UAE and Qatar are all Wihabbist regimes.

Still though - Egypt, Turkey, Israel. Lots of our money being invested there.

Egypt has 309 American military jets, 46 Apache helicopters, 13 Seasprite helicopters and an unconfirmed number of drones. Let alone what was left over from the previous several decades, and the US armament of Egypt is the tip of the iceberg. We're all aware of Israel's capabilities. I imagine Turkey has an even more impressive arsenal than Egypt.

Just making the case that this ought to be a regional conflict, not a global one. The implications regarding the US in all this is the pickle. If these countries were to blame the US for destabilizing both Iraq AND Syria (in effect creating an opportunity for ISIS), an arab coalition against ISIS might be somewhat spiteful towards the Americans.

Even Iran has expressed interest in sending in ground forces along with airstrikes.
 
Last edited:
No doubt, Saudi Arabia is seen as an abomination because the royal families live an extremely luxurious and decadent lifestyle, (ignoring most of their "beliefs") while exploiting the masses. Their belief system, however, is one and the same. The writing on the ISIL flags "There is no God but God" is the same phrase as on the Saudi Arabian flag.

But that's OK because they are the friends of American royalty (Bush et al.)

As I said, ISIS is more fundamentalist. Saudi Arabia is ruled by a king - ISIS thinks that's wrong. Saudi Arabia occasionally has elections - something else that's prohibited in ISIS's interpretation of Islam. And Saudi Arabia isn't engaged in a constant state of warfare.

To use an analogy, if ISIS was in the US, they'd be a Christian sect planning to stone Obama because Obama wears fabric of mixed cloth and cuts his hair.
 
As I said, ISIS is more fundamentalist. Saudi Arabia is ruled by a king - ISIS thinks that's wrong. Saudi Arabia occasionally has elections - something else that's prohibited in ISIS's interpretation of Islam. And Saudi Arabia isn't engaged in a constant state of warfare.

To use an analogy, if ISIS was in the US, they'd be a Christian sect planning to stone Obama because Obama wears fabric of mixed cloth and cuts his hair.

Pretty much dead on there. ISIS may be Wahhabi like Saudi Arabia but they are far more fundamentalist and much less pragmatic. In fact i don't think pragmatism is in the dictionary for these mongrels.

I still think a US force against ISIS is both unnecessary and could be counter productive. They don't have the military capabilities to take on Turkey and it would be little more then a 1 sided slaughter fest if they did attack Turkey. Not to mention you also have Iran who's revolutionary guard would make short work of ISIS.
 
I read an article that was (poorly) headed "Andrew Doiron's colleagues held fire when Kurds turned guns on them"

Kurds opened friendly-fire on Canadian soldiers at a check point. killing one and wounding 3 others.

Kurds are some of the best trained and experienced with this sort of fighting, it was a bad accident. In Kurds defense the Canadian soldiers had a SOP to follow in order to get through the check-point. They may have not followed this procedure correctly- it cost one his life
 
an idiot's message to a gaggle of idiots(ISIS)

First of all and most importantly is that the true damage done by the senseless killing of innocent people is what those people could have done for the world haven they been given such opportunity as life. That is where we all get cheated my friends. All we have is eachother man, we're in this experience together and we gotta start acting like that at some point or else we won't always be around due to some psycho finding a way to ruin the planet once and for all.

To the coward fucking killers who like to fancy themselves "Terrorists", you arent fooling me. You're insecure and feel obsolete. It's because you are but instead of killing someone else, why not eliminate the real problem and kill yourself. But you know, that whole logic thing is a fuckin joke right. You know who feels oppressed as they get high everyday and basically do whatever they want by fucking shit up for the rest of us? People who are too fucking weak to get on the rest of our level. Degenerate little titty sucklers who have some fucked up messianic complex and believe they can change the world by getting a couple punk cave punji's who know how to make little fucking battery bombs all the sudden expecting to be the next fucking Bin Laden. Cut your own fucking head off instead of some russian who you think is a spy because of your paranoid psychosis. You know the real world is gonna catch you and you know who has the big dick of the bunch. The fact you could even believe for one second that you have the power to do what you say is absolutely ludicrous and shows just how little you know of what you're dealing with. I mean you go into a city as big as Paris, do whatever you want and thats STILL all you could muster up? Lol. Al-Queda was basically a Human and you are a house Fly. Give me a break dude.

Is leadership just completely irrelevant to you fucks? How many idiots are calling the shots for fuck sake? You guys are worse than the 04' Los Angeles Lakers, and that's saying something!

And what are you even doing exactly? Have you never read The Art Of War? Shit I know better terror tactics and battle strategies than you fucking gimps. Pretty sure Zsu would go wayyyy over your fucking heads even if you tried to get his message, him being a genius and all....
But for real man, your pissing off the 3 most powerful nations in the entire world.Do you just never get that moment where you go "shit we shouldn't have fucked with a US ally, LET ALONE TAUNT RUSSIA AND CHINA NUMEROUS TIMES EACH???" like oh my god talk about common fucking sense bro?


i'll probably add more later but can anyone out there relate to my viewpoint here about how bad they are at being them? if it wasnt for their OUTSTANDING talent when it comes to causing fear by propaganda, they'd be nothing really....certainly wouldnt have the people who recently joined them....
 
Some fucker tried prank phone calling my house and threatened my family and said that he is part of ISIS and that he was one of those people that took part in the attack in France. That poor fucker can kiss his freedom goodbye because my father works for the government and I can't wait to see that bastards head on a plate! 'Tis why I loathe people! They disgust me!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Top