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Oh yeah. I'm sure that plenty of lawyers, guns and money has fund their way to ISIS via their Sunni backer in Saudi, Oman, Israel etc
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Anti semite self hating whatever the fuck you are 
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As long as you don't hate 'ites. Is perfectly OK to hats 'ists though - islamists, environmentalists, socialists, etc
^ well put. I think IS is a pretty extreme example, but of all the fucked up shit going on in the world that the western media neglect to cover, it seems pretty clear (to me at least) that their atrocities are being used to manipulate us ('us' meaning Australians, Americans and a bunch of other countries as well).
Not saying that nothing should be done...but the drums of war are beating so loudly once again - and isn't that what helped create this terrible mess?
It's worse than the gloomiest predictions I heard or imagined prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Fucking warmongers. The worst crime imaginable to me is that of starting a war of aggression.
Not saying that nothing should be done...but the drums of war are beating so loudly once again - and isn't that what helped create this terrible mess?
It's worse than the gloomiest predictions I heard or imagined prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Fucking warmongers. The worst crime imaginable to me is that of starting a war of aggression.
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I heard that as well, or one friend and I were discussing it and he said, "He probably had no idea what was really going on at the time since he'd been psychologically broken.'
I have been hearing in the media about various people who have joined or attempted to join Isis.
http://www.wncn.com/story/26440584/american-extremist-reveals-his-quest-to-join-isis
http://www.journalnow.com/news/stat...cle_e33986b6-33cd-11e4-9603-001a4bcf6878.html
http://www.kplctv.com/story/26386085/american-isis-fighter-killed-in-syria
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/59087767.html
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Yazidi girl tells of horrific ordeal as Isil sex slave
17-year-old says she is one of about 40 Yazidi women and girls, some as young as 12, still being held captive and sexually abused on a daily basis by Isil fighters
A young woman from the Yazidi religious minority captured by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isil) has described the horror of being kept as a sex slave by the extremist group.
The 17 year-old said she was one of a group of about 40 Yazidi women who were still being held captive and sexually abused on a daily basis by Isil fighters.
She said she was captured on August 3 during a jihadist assault against the town of Sinjar in northern Iraq and is now being held in horrific conditions of sexual servitude in a village south of Mosul.
British extremists fighting in Syria and Iraq have boasted on Twitter and other social media that Yazidi women had been kidnapped and used as "slave girls".
The young woman said she was being kept in a building with barred windows and guarded by men with weapons.
"I beg you not to publish my name because I'm so ashamed of what they are doing to me. There's a part of me that just wants to die. But there is another part of me that still hopes that I will be saved and that I will be able to embrace my parents once again," she told Italy's La Repubblica newspaper.
The newspaper was able to interview her by calling her on her mobile phone, after being given the number by her parents, who are in a refugee camp in Iraqi Kurdistan.
The woman said her captors had initially confiscated her mobile and those of all the other women, but had then "changed strategy", returning the phones so that the women and girls could recount to the outside world the full horror of what was happening to them.
"To hurt us even more, they told us to describe in detail to our parents what they are doing. They laugh at us because they think they are invincible. They consider themselves are supermen. But they are people without a heart.
"Our torturers do not even spare the women who have small children with them. "Nor do they spare the girls - some of our group are not even 13 years old. Some of them will no longer say a word." The woman, given the false name Mayat by La Repubblica, said the women were raped on the top floor of the building, in three rooms. The girls and women were abused up to three times a day by different groups of men.
"They treat us as if we are their slaves. The men hit us and threaten us when we try to resist. Often I wish that they would beat me so severely that I would die."
Some of the men were young fighters fresh from Syria, while others were old men.
"If one day this torture ever ends, my life will always be marked by what I have suffered in these weeks. Even if I survive, I don't know how I'm going to cancel from my mind this horror.
"We've asked our jailers to shoot us dead, to kill us, but we are too valuable for them. They keep telling us that we are unbelievers because we are non-Muslims and that we are their property, like war booty. They say we are like goats bought at a market.
The captive women were praying for rescue by anti-Isil ground forces or an international intervention.
"My only hope is that the peshmerga [Kurdish militia] come and rescue us. I know that the Americans are bombing [Isil positions]. I want them to hurry up and drive them all out, because I don't know how much longer I can stand this. They've already killed my body. Now they're killing my mind."
She said she had heard that Arab Christian women had also been captured and imprisoned as sex slaves by Isil, but that her group consisted exclusively of Yazidi women, all of whom came from the town of Sinjar.
The town is at the foot of Mount Sinjar, where thousands of Yazidis were forced to flee last month after being encircled by Isil.
While many of the refugees managed to eventually escape the mountain, others were captured by the extremist group.
The United Nations has accused Isil of ethnic cleansing in northern Iraq, detailing a campaign of mass detentions and executions in Christian, Turkmen and Yazidi areas.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lls-of-horrific-ordeal-as-Isil-sex-slave.html
17-year-old says she is one of about 40 Yazidi women and girls, some as young as 12, still being held captive and sexually abused on a daily basis by Isil fighters
A young woman from the Yazidi religious minority captured by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isil) has described the horror of being kept as a sex slave by the extremist group.
The 17 year-old said she was one of a group of about 40 Yazidi women who were still being held captive and sexually abused on a daily basis by Isil fighters.
She said she was captured on August 3 during a jihadist assault against the town of Sinjar in northern Iraq and is now being held in horrific conditions of sexual servitude in a village south of Mosul.
British extremists fighting in Syria and Iraq have boasted on Twitter and other social media that Yazidi women had been kidnapped and used as "slave girls".
The young woman said she was being kept in a building with barred windows and guarded by men with weapons.
"I beg you not to publish my name because I'm so ashamed of what they are doing to me. There's a part of me that just wants to die. But there is another part of me that still hopes that I will be saved and that I will be able to embrace my parents once again," she told Italy's La Repubblica newspaper.
The newspaper was able to interview her by calling her on her mobile phone, after being given the number by her parents, who are in a refugee camp in Iraqi Kurdistan.
The woman said her captors had initially confiscated her mobile and those of all the other women, but had then "changed strategy", returning the phones so that the women and girls could recount to the outside world the full horror of what was happening to them.
"To hurt us even more, they told us to describe in detail to our parents what they are doing. They laugh at us because they think they are invincible. They consider themselves are supermen. But they are people without a heart.
"Our torturers do not even spare the women who have small children with them. "Nor do they spare the girls - some of our group are not even 13 years old. Some of them will no longer say a word." The woman, given the false name Mayat by La Repubblica, said the women were raped on the top floor of the building, in three rooms. The girls and women were abused up to three times a day by different groups of men.
"They treat us as if we are their slaves. The men hit us and threaten us when we try to resist. Often I wish that they would beat me so severely that I would die."
Some of the men were young fighters fresh from Syria, while others were old men.
"If one day this torture ever ends, my life will always be marked by what I have suffered in these weeks. Even if I survive, I don't know how I'm going to cancel from my mind this horror.
"We've asked our jailers to shoot us dead, to kill us, but we are too valuable for them. They keep telling us that we are unbelievers because we are non-Muslims and that we are their property, like war booty. They say we are like goats bought at a market.
The captive women were praying for rescue by anti-Isil ground forces or an international intervention.
"My only hope is that the peshmerga [Kurdish militia] come and rescue us. I know that the Americans are bombing [Isil positions]. I want them to hurry up and drive them all out, because I don't know how much longer I can stand this. They've already killed my body. Now they're killing my mind."
She said she had heard that Arab Christian women had also been captured and imprisoned as sex slaves by Isil, but that her group consisted exclusively of Yazidi women, all of whom came from the town of Sinjar.
The town is at the foot of Mount Sinjar, where thousands of Yazidis were forced to flee last month after being encircled by Isil.
While many of the refugees managed to eventually escape the mountain, others were captured by the extremist group.
The United Nations has accused Isil of ethnic cleansing in northern Iraq, detailing a campaign of mass detentions and executions in Christian, Turkmen and Yazidi areas.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lls-of-horrific-ordeal-as-Isil-sex-slave.html
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Air-strikes should fix that! It's not like they could make things worse or anything! 8)
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FFS, Bit_pattern, which group would be worse than IS?
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Well, if you want to find out then go into Iraq and Syria and destabilise the region some more! Al Qaeda was the baddest kid on the block a decade ago but WE created condition where something worse could rise out its ashes. So, clearly, the answer is to bomb the shit out of the region again and flood it with uncontrollable flows of money and weapons. Because that's NEVER gone wrong before
zzz101
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I can't wait to see these arrogant ISIS men and women brought down to slow-painful deaths. it will happen soon enough
I am anti-war but this is genocide. need to send troops again to fux them up.
Saddam Hussein was a cunt, sure. but if 'merica, etc did not invade and leave the county (Iraq) in shambles, ISIS would of never get to this level. Saddam had loyal army that would of fucked isis over.
I am anti-war but this is genocide. need to send troops again to fux them up.
Saddam Hussein was a cunt, sure. but if 'merica, etc did not invade and leave the county (Iraq) in shambles, ISIS would of never get to this level. Saddam had loyal army that would of fucked isis over.
njirem
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Nah, Saddam was a brutal dictator that did horrible things to the Iraqi's. He was anything but better then IS. Only difference is he did not videotape it and put it on youtube.
And IS would eventually have tried to take over Iraq wheter Saddam was president or not.
Same thing happens today, 'better to have assad in power then IS. F that shit. Syrians suffered immensly from the barrel bombs, vacuum bombs, executions and poisonous gas attacks on neighborhoods.
After assad there will be a new tiran,just like after gadaffi and hussein.
The middle east is on fire, and it will burn untill they are finnaly enlighted and ready to enter the 21th ceintury. It takes blood and time to go from 2th to 1th world.
The west should not invade but let the Arabian liga handle this shit (like the yezidi genocide taking place right now), they can only do it themselfs, everytime we step in we slow down their progress.
The arabian spring is arabian, not western.
And IS would eventually have tried to take over Iraq wheter Saddam was president or not.
Same thing happens today, 'better to have assad in power then IS. F that shit. Syrians suffered immensly from the barrel bombs, vacuum bombs, executions and poisonous gas attacks on neighborhoods.
After assad there will be a new tiran,just like after gadaffi and hussein.
The middle east is on fire, and it will burn untill they are finnaly enlighted and ready to enter the 21th ceintury. It takes blood and time to go from 2th to 1th world.
The west should not invade but let the Arabian liga handle this shit (like the yezidi genocide taking place right now), they can only do it themselfs, everytime we step in we slow down their progress.
The arabian spring is arabian, not western.
Bardeaux
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This is where I get confused.
Say we invade Iraq again. Remove an unsavory organization from power again. What happens next? We were there for 10 years trying to stabilize the country, which was never stable while we were there and turned even worse once we left. Should Iraq just be named the 51st American state?
cashfl0w_d0nkey
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Well, if you want to find out then go into Iraq and Syria and destabilise the region some more! Al Qaeda was the baddest kid on the block a decade ago but WE created condition where something worse could rise out its ashes. So, clearly, the answer is to bomb the shit out of the region again and flood it with uncontrollable flows of money and weapons. Because that's NEVER gone wrong before
I think sometimes you get so caught up in your "fuck everything about the US" that you don't even look at things logically anymore. The situation in Syria involves not just the US and ISIS but also the Syrian government, Iran, Russia, and to a lesser extent other players. Was giving weapons to rebels in Syria a bad move? Definitely, but that really has nothing to do with whether or not it makes sense to attack ISIS now. The conflict has reached a new level of chaos and inaction now does nothing but help solidify the worst possible outcome to the past 11 years.
No one wants ISIS in power. Not Russia, not Iran, not the US, not the Syrian or Iraqi governments, not a majority of citizens in either nation. Arguing for inaction at the very moment that weapons and resources got into the absolute worst hands possible just doesn't make sense. You act like you're arguing from a humanist perspective but arguing to let ISIS run free is anything but.
cashfl0w_d0nkey
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ISIS should be defeated with the help of US airstrikes as has been laid out. The US has made it clear that it wants out of Iraq, but it has to also make it clear that it won't let radical Islamists take over the country within months of pulling troops out. The air superiority method is the logical compromise between these two desires. It allows the Iraqi Army and the Kurds to sort out the ground situation and regain control using Iraqi troops and logistics, but with the assurance that they will be successful coming from the US. With ISIS gone, the country won't necessarily be a cohesive political entity, but really, how many nations truly are? The ability for Iraq to resist extremist rebellions is what is truly important.
zzz101
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Doesn't help that (i)
The cival war in syria (that has killed atleast 200k ppl by now). US funded ISIS back in 2006,(allegedly) so they could fight the syrian army..(who are also not nice ppl). but there is no black or white, just grey. ISIS end up getting strong and recruit more and gain more weapons. take over a near-by country that is fuked over - Iraq. also weapons that had been funded by the USA to Iraq now isis has them. :S
Saddams army was actually pretty strong. well they were loyal to Iraq. Not now
USA brought the fucking ticket for the oil. comon twin towers get smashed down then they invade Iraq? Doesn't make sense. They should of never left Iraq when they got Saddam out. (or never gone in the first place but too late to say that by now, it's done) of course everyone knew that when Saddam was gone, all shit would break loose in the middle east. and it has. it really has.
remeber those chemical weapons attack? yeah isis. and proganda made it out to be syria government.
The best thing to happen would be another Saddam rule Iraq.. or ISIS. I'd choose Saddam even those its still fucked. but what do you except in the middle east atm, war is not going to stop. ever.
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Bardeaux
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^Ok, so....
I'm not very confident in the Iraqi military. They were the ones stripping from their uniforms, laying their weapons down and running away from ISIS, despite nearly a decade of US military training and financial aid. The Kurds are a seasoned force, but their ultimate goal isn't to eliminate extremism in surrounding areas, their goal is to establish a free Kurdistan.
What seems to be necessary is a very strong, very capable Iraqi government with the capacity to defend itself from radical Islamism but without being an Assad/Saddam style dictatorship. Is this even feasible?
I'm not very confident in the Iraqi military. They were the ones stripping from their uniforms, laying their weapons down and running away from ISIS, despite nearly a decade of US military training and financial aid. The Kurds are a seasoned force, but their ultimate goal isn't to eliminate extremism in surrounding areas, their goal is to establish a free Kurdistan.
What seems to be necessary is a very strong, very capable Iraqi government with the capacity to defend itself from radical Islamism but without being an Assad/Saddam style dictatorship. Is this even feasible?
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socko
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It's convenient that we are offering to fix the problem we caused in the first place.