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The Imminent Climate Disaster and the Impending Expiration Date of Humanity

As I see it, there is no point in worrying or despairing over the state of the world. There is only doggedly working to be the best person I can be, and never missing an opportunity to leave the world and society a better place than I first found it. Despair is so easy these days that I'd almost call it a copout. I'll take the far greater challenge of finding hope in a world where it's hard to find. But that's just me.

Word. I do, however, reserve deeply conflicted feelings re. the concept of hope. It seems to me to be the most achingly tragic of universal traits, but, on the other hand, it's an undeniable gold mine of human potential from which so much of our inner strength is derived...

"War spreading, families dying, the world in danger,
I walk the rocky hillsides sowing clover"
-- Wendell Berry, from a poem of his that my father used to recite to me as a tot

This is beautiful. Thank you for this. Is it part of a larger collection, or is it an excerpt from a larger work?
 
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Humanity survived the ice age, I seriously doubt we are going to go extinct from the world's temperature rising by 1-2 degrees.

I do think though that societies all over the world are about to go through some radically unpleasant changes though, the least of which will be economic collapse and the shrinking of the global population.

The thing that bugs me the most about climate change is that we have the expertise and the technology to live a green existence, right now, with minimal impact to our modern way of life. It's just not changing because of the corporate cartels and their strangle hold over government. And when shit goes down, it's going to be the rich that have their luxury hideaways while the rest of humanity is suffering a cull never before seen.
 
And you seem to have an equally serious case of pompously-condescending-internet-psychoanalyst-itis.

PD-ers tend to laugh at the accusation, since we all recognize ourselves as this. Did not mean to offend. And reading the OP you have it too, sorry, that's how it is.

For someone who claims to be a Christian, a spiritualist, or whatever the fuck, you sure are a royal prick

Sorry, but I'm a higher order primate, not a collection of abstract concepts (I go through those like a fashionista does clothes). I give you bouquets of thought yet you always turn out allergic, or just aren't fond of flowers~


You could say the exact same thing about UFOs and alternate universes - and it would just as convincing in those contexts as it is in this one.

Neither of those things are as integral a part of the human experience as those relative to this topic. I used common sense to reach this conclusion, as I am a human being, and not a turing machine. Believe it or don't.
 
I give you bouquets of thought yet you always turn out allergic, or just aren't fond of flowers

You don't present bouquets to which I'm allergic - you shovel shit onto my boards and then cut and run when the going gets tough.

I used common sense to reach this conclusion, as I am a human being, and not a turing machine. Believe it or don't.

Lame.
 
you shovel shit onto my boards and then cut and run when the going gets tough.

Running from what? There's nothing to run from. Like I've been trying to tell you for two weeks, I see philosophy and the stuff relevant to this board as an art, and you clearly see it as a science. I'm not trying to prove myself right or prove you wrong, there's no point in that since for me these things are loose and ungraspable for humans. I'm just trying to get acknowledgement that my kind have a place here as well, while spouting off my own opinions and perspectives for funsies.

I'm fine for a friendly spat and hoping some understanding comes from it, patting each other on the back after another failed attempt to see eye-to-eye, but you (or anyone else) coming at my head with a sword like the motherfucking highlander is not a game I'm interested in playing. Looking at the rules and guidelines this seems consistent with the mission statement of this place, if this is not so, make it clear. Otherwise, remember that we with the rationality of infants have to be handled delicately sometimes, as we're more likely to bring ourselves onto the internet than your kind (at least IME of offending people in my tenure on this site).
 
Like I've been trying to tell you for two weeks, I see philosophy and the stuff relevant to this board as an art, and you clearly see it as a science.

And as I've been trying to tell you for as long, your unfounded assumptions re. my character and worldviews are hideously off-base. The way I see it, the reason why philosophy departments are typically located in the Humanities subsections of large universities is precisely the fact that philosophy has not, in any meaningful sense, been considered a 'science' since the 16th century or so. It is an ever-evolving subgenere of literature whose principle foci are the really difficult questions with which humanity attempts to grapple using only the mind and language, as opposed to experimentation and proof. But in order for such literature to have life in the first place, it must take the form of two-(or more-)way exchange between thinkers.

You do not appear to comprehend or accept this basic fundament of philosophy, a mental discipline of which argumentation and disagreement are absolutely vital parts. If you don't want to talk philosophy with me, fine. Just say so explicitly, and I'll gladly pass you over. But, as I feel myself repeating all-too-often lately, this is a discussion board. See below.

I'm just trying to get acknowledgement that my kind have a place here as well, while spouting off my own opinions and perspectives for funsies...Looking at the rules and guidelines this seems consistent with the mission statement of this place, if this is not so, make it clear.

Do you perceive the problem here? If not, see above re. discussion. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Oh, and I found your snide implication re. my quantity of free time to be particularly lulzy, given your total post count (~3100) in comparison to mine (~880). In light of those figures, consider the fact that I've been on this website for about twice as long as you have. I'm sure you can do the math on that one.
 
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There won't be any endtime in the sense many have been led to believe. It was a false doomsday scenario to bring about hysteria and delay the dawn of the new golden age. Christ has won full authority over the planet now, just like he was always going to, and has just started cleaning things up so it's quickly getting better day by day now. It can just he hard for us to see as most of the bad things are still in the world and it will take time to get everything as it should be. But the attitude of those working on the spiritual level seems to be very jubilant at this point, like they have won already, although those of us in flesh are tired and can find it hard to see the end of it. Just remember even if it won't be while you're still alive that doesn't mean it still won't be very soon, our whole history considerered.

I also believe this has come about as the final a result of a massive collaboration among all those who have been loyally serving this planet in different ways to bring it back to its paradise-like state. And the tide started turning 2000 years ago with what Jesus achieved when he was on Earth (poorly understood by most). That's when we started getting real hope and ultimately what is happening now has been brought about because there are more positevely orientated consciousnesses than negative ones here at this time. The average individual might not be that immensively high-consciousness, or more average, but they are more positive than negative. And that is the main way Christ has been put into power, as most, if they had the choice would choose him rather than some negative leader. Because although most people have their challenges when it comes to over coming the negative/destructive tendencies in their own consciousness, few are that monstrous or stupid.

As for who said "What if you were put there at this time to be a part of it for some reason?" Well, what if you know you were but have failed, like many of us, and had to live with that? Some of us have come here with more reponsibility because of what we're capable of and what we've been able to accomplish before. I know I had planned to play a more significant role of make more of a contribution and fucked it up for different reasons. Some things that went wrong outside my control and then I just didn't have the strength or couldn't be bothered. Luckily there were so many extras who came along to ensure we'd succeed and there are so many who have done great for themselves and much better than what would be expected. Spiritual missions don't always turn out as planned with everything that's here to distract you and can go wrong. At least I can comfort myself I don't tend to botch my spiritual missions and have done many things to help this planet before. And if nothing else I've been able contribute by holding a higher consciousness throughout my like ( I still consider myself among the highest 10%, maybe that sounds arrogant to some but I was supposed to do a bit better than that, and could have done much better if I'd done my best).
 
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I know that there's a lot of fighting in this thread.

I'll just say this, the polar ice caps have melted more this year than they ever have before in history. This can't be good.

I have scientist friends who have told me how there's nothing we can really do to stop global warming; but I hope they're wrong.
 
The other mod lacks humility and keeps shoveling shit on YOUR boards.

Yup, that's what I said.

If, as a moderator, this subforum isn't 'mine,' then to whom else does it or could it possibly 'belong' in any practically meaningful way, other than my fellow mods? We're charged with ensuring the smooth functionality of P&S, and have been granted a certain amount of authority in order to do so. I say MY boards precisely because I am a moderator of them. Is it prideful of me to plainly state such a thing? Or was all this just too difficult for you to comprehend?
 
Great post ;)

Someone had to say it, although I think the OP has lost interest and has turned to harassing natives of other forums.


I know that there's a lot of fighting in this thread.

I'll just say this, the polar ice caps have melted more this year than they ever have before in history. This can't be good.

That's just not true, and who ever told you that deserves a good slapping for spreading such nonsense.

I have scientist friends who have told me how there's nothing we can really do to stop global warming; but I hope they're wrong.

There is nothing humans can do, because humans have no effect on it. The system we are speaking about is larger than any of us can reasonably imagine. There are factors involved that even the most brilliant physicists do not quite understand. What makes anyone think a bunch of higher level weathermen and politicians can know the factors and predict the outcome? I'd say the AGW people are a cult, they just don't know it yet.
 
Arrogant/prideful.. yes it was.

How so? In your opinion, is it arrogant for a retail store manager to refer to the venue he operates as 'his' store in conversation? I don't think so, but then, I'm the arrogant one, so what do I know?

Someone had to say it, although I think the OP has lost interest and has turned to harassing natives of other forums.

While Joe, on the other hand, would never dream of making multiple passive-aggressive jabs at the OP of a thread whose topic he doesn't care about, in a subforum he rarely visits, given his incredibly busy schedule. Bitch please. 8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8)
 
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