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The IDF kidnapping children (I bet you won't see this on the news)
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Sammy G
Ex-Bluelighter
Right...
I can't say I'm surprised at the IDF for this (and I'm sure it's one of many such incidents which go unreported day after day) but it is just fucking depressing.
I can't say I'm surprised at the IDF for this (and I'm sure it's one of many such incidents which go unreported day after day) but it is just fucking depressing.
Sammy G
Ex-Bluelighter
Well yeah, seeing as the IDF somehow saw it as an excuse to bomb 34 different sites in Gaza by way of response. Apparently it was 'strategic'. ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Proportion? Fuck that...
Proportion? Fuck that...
Sammy G
Ex-Bluelighter
It was a brutal killing, of that there's no doubt. Would Hamas risk everything they've gained for three boys' lives though? i doubt it very much.
The fact that it'll lead either to Israel annexing Gaza outright or building enough settlements for a de facto annexation leads me to suspect that Netanyahu has been waiting for the right excuse all along.
He's already rolled back ten years of the peace process by bombing suspect's homes before they're even brought to trial.
The fact that it'll lead either to Israel annexing Gaza outright or building enough settlements for a de facto annexation leads me to suspect that Netanyahu has been waiting for the right excuse all along.
He's already rolled back ten years of the peace process by bombing suspect's homes before they're even brought to trial.
Vurtual
Bluelighter
Also, 1500 palestinian children have been killed by israeli forces since 2000 - 1 every three days. To our media and elite, some people are people and other are unpeople (as in mark curtis' excellent book).
Aww israeli children died; here's a long humanising report on them and their families - palestinian children die; that's not news! (unless we can imply they were chucking a grenade (when it was probably a stone)). If they do report on the palestinian side it's often a shot of people hitting themselves in a funeral to confirm our prejudices - never the same humanising treatment and indepth backstory given to our friends. And NEVER any objective backstory of the actual history of the occupation to give context.
The last gaza war killed 1500 palestinian people and about 4 israelis, yet the bbc et al willl continue to say 'they're both as bad as each other' (when they're not just straight up ignoring the palestinian side). That sort of balance is just obvious bias for an apartheid state. (i don't think it's about race as much as geopolitics - we like the arabs who are religious nutters or despotic monarchies (cos they're our allies against arab democracy)).
The IDF and the israeli state make Hamas look pretty reasonable.
Aww israeli children died; here's a long humanising report on them and their families - palestinian children die; that's not news! (unless we can imply they were chucking a grenade (when it was probably a stone)). If they do report on the palestinian side it's often a shot of people hitting themselves in a funeral to confirm our prejudices - never the same humanising treatment and indepth backstory given to our friends. And NEVER any objective backstory of the actual history of the occupation to give context.
The last gaza war killed 1500 palestinian people and about 4 israelis, yet the bbc et al willl continue to say 'they're both as bad as each other' (when they're not just straight up ignoring the palestinian side). That sort of balance is just obvious bias for an apartheid state. (i don't think it's about race as much as geopolitics - we like the arabs who are religious nutters or despotic monarchies (cos they're our allies against arab democracy)).
The IDF and the israeli state make Hamas look pretty reasonable.
Sammy G
Ex-Bluelighter
I'm sure that they'd jump at the chance to seize Gaza.
Vurtual
Bluelighter
The israeli regime have been itching for a reason to dodge any sort of 'peace process' ever since the PA got into the UN; and really itching since they made nice with hamas. You don't have to look far outside the media bubble to notice the unequal crimes of Israel compared to any palestinian. The public there are largely up for the aggression because they've had war propaganda shoved down their throat since birth (and a dose of state-friendly conscription to ram home the racism).
The israeli regime knows it has a demographic timebomb: they know that given enough time the palestinians will keep breeding faster than jewish israelis (as poorer people do), and so it has to try and keep the numbers down in other ways (like the occasional bombing, restricting food, or just going round in tanks and knocking people's houses down, shooting children etc). The terrible hamas don't seem to be able to translate their terror into more than a small handful of dead israelis for all their dastardliness - an occasional crappy unguided rocket landing in a field avenged with the full might of (effectively) the american war machine.
This is absolutely not about jewish people (i'm a bit jewish myself via my great grandmother (i'm not a jew, i'm jew-ish)) but aggressive zionism as a superficial foil for american power.
(that was just a standard rant and not particularly aimed at you bearlove
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Septonn
Bluelighter
Tis what some Palestinian friends I have in Hebron fear. There's even rumors about rightwing Israelis staging the whole affair in order to derail the peace process. Very conspiracy-esque but then again Rabin was murdered by an Israeli over the Oslo agreements too.
The israeli regime have been itching for a reason to dodge any sort of 'peace process' ever since the PA got into the UN; and really itching since they made nice with hamas. You don't have to look far outside the media bubble to notice the unequal crimes of Israel compared to any palestinian. The public there are largely up for the aggression because they've had war propaganda shoved down their throat since birth (and a dose of state-friendly conscription to ram home the racism).
The israeli regime knows it has a demographic timebomb: they know that given enough time the palestinians will keep breeding faster than jewish israelis (as poorer people do), and so it has to try and keep the numbers down in other ways (like the occasional bombing, restricting food, or just going round in tanks and knocking people's houses down, shooting children etc). The terrible hamas don't seem to be able to translate their terror into more than a small handful of dead israelis for all their dastardliness - an occasional crappy unguided rocket landing in a field avenged with the full might of (effectively) the american war machine.
This is absolutely not about jewish people (i'm a bit jewish myself via my great grandmother (i'm not a jew, i'm jew-ish)) but aggressive zionism as a superficial foil for american power.
(that was just a standard rant and not particularly aimed at you bearlove
I know where your coming from, sort of why I posted the would the Israelis :/
It's just too (I hate to say convenient when were talking about so many deaths) but convenient - peace process, Hamas talking with the government. We don't want that, lets kill three of our own, then let the shit hit the fan.
Septonn
Bluelighter
^ Indeed. Tis a shame though, as with any conflict really, that the moderates (which really do exist on both sides in this specific case) are so easily drowned out by more radical forces.
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
A lot of the problem is that, on the Israeli side (possibly the palestinian side as well, but they have seemed a lot more moderate recently), the moderates are far from being the ones in charge. Netanyaaaahoooo is an extremist.
Vurtual
Bluelighter
There's only so much moderation possible if you believe in a philosophy like zionism: 'we'll take your land due to some bullshit ancient book, but we'll do it nicely'. It's sort of like when chomsky shows the view of 'doves' in american politics to show even the 'moderate' end of the spectrum are raging imperialists and racists. (i know there are different strains within zionism (some quite left-ish) - like some early zionists were going to have a bit of canada as their homeland - but then there are the german zionists who realised their similarity to the nazis (eg racial purity, agreeing jews should go to palestine), and did a deal with them called the Haavara agreement
Some scholars say that the jewish exodus from palestine after 70AD didn't even happen (as usually described); that most israeli jews stayed in palestine after the fall of jerusalem and later became muslims. There is some evidence for this (shown in this bbc4 doc)
Either way, the incoming occupying jews seem to not have much alliegance with their semitic blood brothers (ie palestinians) - they're about as anti semitic as anyone in the middle east i'd say (we could paraphrase their saying for Chomsky/Finklestein/Atzmon as 'self-hating semites'...). The israeli regime in practice does a very good impression of a western colonial occupation.
Not to say there haven't been some cunty palestinians, but when you trace the history (and death tolls) it's clear which side is the oppressor and has the most blood on its hands (ie israel and it's (non-jewish) masters in the west).
Septonn
Bluelighter
What I still find the most blatant myth in Zionism is the claim that Israel was a "land without people for a people without land". Then where the fuck did those few million refugees that still occupy camps in surrounding countries come from
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
What I still find the most blatant myth in Zionism is the claim that Israel was a "land without people for a people without land". Then where the fuck did those few million refugees that still occupy camps in surrounding countries come from
You've not been paying attention. They're not really people.
Bella Figura
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Snakes
Bluelighter
Wow, this is so messed up in so many ways 
Those poor children, Israel is the most evil country in the world in my eyes. I cannot even describe [or probably fit into a post message] why Israel is such a terrible country but everything they do is just pure evil. That post shown above is truly shocking how much land is illegally seized from Palestine.
I saw another good info-gram about the countries that don't recognise Israel, the countries that do and the countries that recognise both or 1 more than the other. If someone could find that and show it, it makes me feel a bit better a lot of other countries don't believe it is a legitimate state.
They're doing exactly what they're doing to Palestinian people as what the Nazi's did in WW2. History repeats itself however. A very special person used to say to me Israel wil collapse one day and disappear completely. Israeli citizens bloodlines don't even show their DNA is native to that area. They are mostly Americans/Russians/Polish/Ukraine etc. Jews.
Zionism is a racist ideology.
Those poor children, Israel is the most evil country in the world in my eyes. I cannot even describe [or probably fit into a post message] why Israel is such a terrible country but everything they do is just pure evil. That post shown above is truly shocking how much land is illegally seized from Palestine.I saw another good info-gram about the countries that don't recognise Israel, the countries that do and the countries that recognise both or 1 more than the other. If someone could find that and show it, it makes me feel a bit better a lot of other countries don't believe it is a legitimate state.
They're doing exactly what they're doing to Palestinian people as what the Nazi's did in WW2. History repeats itself however. A very special person used to say to me Israel wil collapse one day and disappear completely. Israeli citizens bloodlines don't even show their DNA is native to that area. They are mostly Americans/Russians/Polish/Ukraine etc. Jews.
Zionism is a racist ideology.