The hypnagogic State

[velmwend]

Hello there

Does anyone have any experience with drugs which aid in pleasant hypnagogic (waking dream) states in bed?

many thanking yous

 

[Contained]

I may be misreading your question, but if you're looking for that "waking dream-state" experience, then look into Ibogaine.

 

[velmwend]

That's right, contained. The waking dream. And thanks for your recommendation

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

First time I tried calea zacatechichi (bitter Aztec variety) I saw vivid hypnagogic images right before sleeping.
I smoked a cig of it right when laying down.

Had a noticeable dreaminess to it in effect...but the hypnagogic imageries intensity caught me off guard. I started analyzing my visual field and noticed a could make something out in the darkness. After a moment out taking in details I found myself looking at a Victorian style chair in full detail...with a fancy paisley design on the embroidery. Freaked me out a bit lol, but it was profound and vivid.

My company sells silene capensis now, which is a super potent African dream herb. Haven't worked with it too much yet but i've heard good things. Could be helpful in your quest for dream exploration

 

[Contained]

I've been meaning to try silene capensis. Calea Zacatechichi worked well for me a few times, but I've only tried smoking it once. Definitely the most painful thing that I've smoked, it feels like im inhaling fire. The tea tastes bad, but the best experience I've had with Calea was from making a strong brew of it and smoking a cig of it while drinking the tea. If you can palate it I recommend it.

 

[PandaGun]

Are you referring at all to Z Hypnotics or Adrenal(..?) hallucinations?
I find when I am coming down from stims and falling asleep I can shut my eyes and be in a completely lucid state. Complete control of where I am and what I am doing chatting seemingly nothing to my best mates. It often seems to be memories that I can then change the outcome of. But that could be in my head that they are memories. This isn't eyes open but is damn good enough!
Z Hypnotics cause stupidity when awake. Not exactly dreaming but has the same sub conscious projection. Like people from memories and nightmares following you around and interacting with you.

 

[velmwend]

Are you referring at all to Z Hypnotics or Adrenal(..?) hallucinations?
I find when I am coming down from stims and falling asleep I can shut my eyes and be in a completely lucid state. Complete control of where I am and what I am doing chatting seemingly nothing to my best mates. It often seems to be memories that I can then change the outcome of. But that could be in my head that they are memories. This isn't eyes open but is damn good enough!
Z Hypnotics cause stupidity when awake. Not exactly dreaming but has the same sub conscious projection. Like people from memories and nightmares following you around and interacting with you.

Not sure really, pandagun. Just good ole' hypnagogics before falling asleep. I used to be able to get into all kinds of states years ago when I was practising astral projection techniques (trance state, etc) as recommended by Robert Bruce, but it dont work no more. I thought some low dose 4-aco-dmt would give me a good time with the hypnagogics, but not so far, after 3 attempts. Nearly had an obe, but no cev or oev. weird. Pretty sure I'm not going to be able to get (or afford) ibogaine.

hm, this silene capensis, I'm going to look into where I can purchase this in the UK. I've been taking daily 100mg 5htp before bed and my dreams have exploded in vividness and richness - I want to harness it.

 

[zirbeldude]

Opiates/opioides.

 

[Bagseed]

Opiates/opioides.

truth (plus a little bit of bud maybe).

 

[MrFister]

5-meo-dalt, mxe, weed, among others have all granted brilliant hypnogogic experiences. Generally you'll want to find lighter psychedelics that aren't too stimulating. Good ol' meditation will work wonders too .



Oh, and i've heard supplements that help with lucid dreaming also benefit the hypnogogic/hypnopompic states

 

[.tOobi.]

harmala alkaloids!
extractet or tea
either from banisteriopsis caapi or peganum harmala

my methods:

-smoke extracted harmalas with weed in a pipe
-administer 25mg harmalas sublingual
-drink bigger dose of the tea

one of this while lying in my hammock in my room with lights off

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another method is light+audio stimulation in the theta frequency range (4 - 7 Hz)
i do this with my mindmachine: wiki/Mind_machine

or you can listen to this binaural beat (i never tried myself) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66tq9xji0xA

do this while lying down in the dark with eyes closed and try not do doze off into sleep.

you can combine harmalas with mindmachines or binaural beats to great succes!

 

[Achten]

http://weedhallucinations.blogspot.be/

 

[velmwend]

harmala alkaloids!
extractet or tea
either from banisteriopsis caapi or peganum harmala

my methods:

-smoke extracted harmalas with weed in a pipe
-administer 25mg harmalas sublingual
-drink bigger dose of the tea

one of this while lying in my hammock in my room with lights off

--

another method is light+audio stimulation in the theta frequency range (4 - 7 Hz)
i do this with my mindmachine: wiki/Mind_machine

or you can listen to this binaural beat (i never tried myself) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66tq9xji0xA

do this while lying down in the dark with eyes closed and try not do doze off into sleep.

you can combine harmalas with mindmachines or binaural beats to great succes!

Excellent, thanks toobi. Ive never heard of most of what you've mentioned so I'll google 'em. I wrote a binaural lucid dreaming cd a few years ago, it was called 'summerland' and topped download.com spiritual charts for weeks, until someone spotted a copyrighted sample in the track and reported me. It was removed and disappeared into thin air. I used the free brainwave generator (it was free at the time, don't know whether it still is) and mixed it into my sound.

Anyhows, thanks for the advice, I'll go check out the recommendations. And thanks for the 5-meo-dalt advice, mr. fister.

 

[velmwend]

http://weedhallucinations.blogspot.be/

Thanks very much achten. I've recently got some ur144 blend - would it work with that too?

 

[Contained]

Personally, I don't think that synthetic cannabinoids would be as useful as real weed. Nature knows what it's doing.

 

[psood0nym]

Personally, I don't think that synthetic cannabinoids would be as useful as real weed. Nature knows what it's doing.

^Assuming in this case that nature is expressing its knowing intention by being chopped nearly to death, dried, and burned to ashes in order to get humans high in a way useful for entering hypnagogic states ...

The hynagogic state is difficult to hold onto without falling to sleep or snapping out of it once you realize you're in it. The stronger drugs mentioned in this thread have the liability of being amnestic, which sort of negates the whole point assuming you're interested in how hynagogia can aid in exploring and understanding consciousness, and I can't imagine getting anywhere near sleep while in the midst of even a light dose of a psychedelic.

If you're like me your best bet is simply using repeating short alarms on a quick interval early in the morning (if you share a bed use ear buds, because a cranky punch in the arm from a woman isn't conducive to hypnopompia). You can find such alarms for download online, or use your phone if it has alarms short enough. The point is to be attentive yet tired enough that such attentiveness won't prevent you from falling repeatedly towards the sleep state. For me, this is most lucidly achieved through the forced maintenance of non-inebriated shallow sleep on a Sunday morning when I don't have to be up for anything later. Another good time to use these alarms is during a much desired nap after you've been up awhile.

 

[Foreigner]

I've left my body and done all sorts of things in this in between state before I ever learned what was happening and how to control it. The first time something obvious ever happened to me was when I had sleep paralysis, and it was NOT fun.

It's hard to actively control things while you're in the state. The best thing you can do is do intentional work while you're awake, like writing down what you want to happen when you're in between, or even asleep. A most excellent book I've read, which is now unfortunately out of print, was called the Jungian-Senoi Dreamwork Manual. It talks all about this stuff.

 

[Achten]

Thanks very much achten. I've recently got some ur144 blend - would it work with that too?

I have only tried JWH-182 as a synthetic cannabinoid and I'd say weed is definetly better. Be sure to try and report to us how it goes with the UR144, but I had best results with regular weed. Amnesia Haze, 25-50mg vaped in the volcano.

 

[velmwend]

Cheers guys. I'll be sure to pop back and give some updates. Some good advice here. I'm pretty fond of those early morn hypnagogic reveries...the best ideas and visions flow freely during this 1-2 hour period. I have no problem entering the state at this time. In fact, Harvard students are actively encouraged to explore this state every morning upon waking...which goes to show how it's favoured in many circles. My desire is for evening hypnagogic journeys before sleep, which I find harder, unless I spend a considerable amount of time achieving trance.

Will keep y'all updated

 

[RobotRipping]

haha surprised i didn't see anyone mention opiates, specifically morphine. Opiates are the kings of producing this state. Ibogaine is a great suggestion too but extremely intense. The whole experience is like a waking dream and very surreal. Ibogaine also has some risks so make sure you research it, people have had seizures on it.

calea zachatechichi is also another herb that can help produce this state.