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PureLife

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I'm not anti-semetic in anyway, and I believe the holocaust happened, But i got some questions maybe someone could answer.
In my years of schooling, from like 4th grade to junior year in highschool we learn of the holocaust and how terrible it was. They say that eleven million people were killed during it. Six million of those people were jewish. Now from all I've learned in school and everything we've discussed how they put people in labor camps based on if they were jewish,homesexual,different political beliefs, disability( illness, mental,physical) and all that good shit. Now when we hear of survivor stories, they are ALL jewish. I have never ever in my life witnessed in the american education system survivor stories that weren't jews. We rarely talked bout the other FIVE MILLION PEOPLE that were killed. Are they not important?
Were jewish people the ONLY ones that survived?

Now as i stated above, I'm not some prejudice asshat, but more the less interested in what happened to these other people. It just strikes me as odd. We talked about it in class today and know one really had ever thought about it. We also discussed that in some small town in Germany, the only documentation of the holocaust exists, but Germany apparently won't release it or something?

I just want to hear some opinions and stuff i guess.
 
PureLife said:
I'm not anti-semetic in anyway, and I believe the holocaust happened, But i got some questions maybe someone could answer.
In my years of schooling, from like 4th grade to junior year in highschool we learn of the holocaust and how terrible it was. They say that eleven million people were killed during it. Six million of those people were jewish. Now from all I've learned in school and everything we've discussed how they put people in labor camps based on if they were jewish,homesexual,different political beliefs, disability( illness, mental,physical) and all that good shit. Now when we hear of survivor stories, they are ALL jewish. I have never ever in my life witnessed in the american education system survivor stories that weren't jews. We rarely talked bout the other FIVE MILLION PEOPLE that were killed. Are they not important?
Were jewish people the ONLY ones that survived?

Now as i stated above, I'm not some prejudice asshat, but more the less interested in what happened to these other people. It just strikes me as odd. We talked about it in class today and know one really had ever thought about it. We also discussed that in some small town in Germany, the only documentation of the holocaust exists, but Germany apparently won't release it or something?

I just want to hear some opinions and stuff i guess.
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You are going to need to provide some sources for some of your assumptions in order for us to have a good discussion. I don't want to have a discussion with 'implied' facts if they aren't even really facts to be considered, you know?
 
PureLife said:
I'm not anti-semetic in anyway, and I believe the holocaust happened, But i got some questions maybe someone could answer.
In my years of schooling, from like 4th grade to junior year in highschool we learn of the holocaust and how terrible it was. They say that eleven million people were killed during it. Six million of those people were jewish. Now from all I've learned in school and everything we've discussed how they put people in labor camps based on if they were jewish,homesexual,different political beliefs, disability( illness, mental,physical) and all that good shit. Now when we hear of survivor stories, they are ALL jewish. I have never ever in my life witnessed in the american education system survivor stories that weren't jews. We rarely talked bout the other FIVE MILLION PEOPLE that were killed. Are they not important?
Were jewish people the ONLY ones that survived?

Now as i stated above, I'm not some prejudice asshat, but more the less interested in what happened to these other people. It just strikes me as odd. We talked about it in class today and know one really had ever thought about it. We also discussed that in some small town in Germany, the only documentation of the holocaust exists, but Germany apparently won't release it or something?

I just want to hear some opinions and stuff i guess.
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Hitler created "the final solutuion" where he was going to kill Gays, Jews, People with disabilities. I dont know if he got to do it though, i personally dont knoe too much of this, but it was the topic of a sketchy talk on Saturday night..
 
The reason everyone focuses on Jews is because Jews were the focus of Hitler's "final solution." His rhetoric focused mainly on Jews, and over half of those killed were Jewish - the remaining half was pretty well divvied up, so no one group came anywhere near the deathcount of the Jews. Another factor in it is that anti-semitic persecution is still pretty rampant in the world. How often do you hear about people hating Catholics, gypsies, or the disabled?

When it comes down to it, yes, it's kind of insensitive to pretty much ignore every other demographic that was heavily affected by the Holocaust, but when it comes down to it, Jews *did* bear the brunt of the situation.
 
I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but the Russian Gulags killed far more people(estimates range near 50 million). It's a shame that other genocides are so undervalued, undertaught in our public schools, and ignored. All death and genocide is terrible and depicts humanity at its absolute worse; it's just naive to say that the Holocaust is anymore horrific or sick as other genocides that have occurred throughout human history(which, as I said, are put much, much lower on the totem pole). I don't know exactly where I am going with this. I guess it just annoys me when I see my peers believing that the Holocaust was just some isolated incident in history caused by simply one crazy guy who hated jews.

A fun factoid: I discovered last year that I'm actually 1/16 Gypsy.
 
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Now when we hear of survivor stories, they are ALL jewish.
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untrue. having looked at it from outside what they teach you in school, i've heard survivor stories from a myriad of different people. it is perhaps true that today there is more of a focus on jewish survivors, but the information is there if you bother looking for it.
 
(this is ... well im not shure... about humanity)

An extract from the diary of Lieutenant Colonel Mervin Willett Gonin DSO who was among the first British soldiers to liberate Bergen-Belsen in 1945.

Camp
I can give no adequate description of the Horror Camp in which my men and myself were to spend the next month of our lives. It was just a barren wilderness, as bare as a chicken run. Corpses lay everywhere, some in huge piles, sometimes they lay singly or in pairs where they had fallen. It took a little time to get used to seeing men women and childen collapse as you walked by them and to restrain oneself from going to their assistance. One had to get used early to the idea that the individual just did not count. One knew that five hundred a day were dying and that five hundred a day were going on dying for weeks before anything we could do would have the slightest effect. It was, however, not easy to watch a child choking to death from diptheria when you knew a tracheotomy and nursing would save it, one saw women drowning in their own vomit because they were too weak to turn over, and men eating worms as they clutched a half loaf of bread purely because they had to eat worms to live and now could scarcely tell the difference. Piles of corpses, naked and obscene, with a woman too weak to stand proping herself against them as she cooked the food we had given her over an open fire; men and women crouching down just anywhere in the open relieving themselves of the dysentary which was scouring their bowels, a woman standing stark naked washing herself with some issue soap in water from a tank in which the remains of a child floated. It was shortly after the British Red Cross arrived, though it may have no connection, that a very large quantity of lipstick arrived. This was not at all what we men wanted, we were screaming for hundreds and thousands of other things and I don't know who asked for lipstick. I wish so much that I could discover who did it, it was the action of genius, sheer unadulterated brilliance. I believe nothing did more for these internees than the lipstick. Women lay in bed with no sheets and no nightie but with scarlet red lips, you saw them wandering about with nothing but a blanket over their shoulders, but with scarlet red lips. I saw a woman dead on the post mortem table and clutched in her hand was a piece of lipstick. At last someone had done something to make them individuals again, they were someone, no longer merely the number tatooed on the arm. At last they could take an interest in their appearance. That lipstick started to give them back their humanity
 
Disco Stu I'm with you man. The holocaust that happened in Germany have like 1/5 of the deathcount that occured in Russia. I think the reason children are tought about the nazi holocaust was because the usa was involved. We don't hear much about all the other fucked up shit that happens because we dont have involvement, we can't get any credit, a pat on the back. Also because it raises distress, people might just start asking questions like: Why don't we do something?

We don't do anything because there is no gain from it, and it isn't a current threat to us.
 
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I think your wrong, When i was in school we learnt all the bad shit going on, it's just that Hitler decided to make it known, and My nation went to war because of it.
 
>>I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but the Russian Gulags killed far more people(estimates range near 50 million).>>

True.
Perhaps we could start with European conquest of what is now the United States.

ebola
 
Clearly the holocaust numbers are artificially inflated to bolster world support for the state of israel, which is basically religious discrimination.
 
protovack said:
Clearly the holocaust numbers are artificially inflated to bolster world support for the state of israel, which is basically religious discrimination.
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I think that calls for some evidence, as it is not so clear to me, at all.
 
Fuck people, try picking up a book, or if that's too complicated for you try the fucking internet...

For one there's no definite number attached to the number of Soviet citizens that died during the purges, estimates are all we have for the number which died during this period (from 1 million to over 100 million, though most historians peg it somewhere in the more realistic ballpark of between 5-20 million). Not to mention that the Russian purges, the Cultural Revolution, etc, probably can’t be labeled as actual genocides anyway.

I'll give you a few clues as to why the Holocaust is heard about and discussed more than other genocides-

-The holocaust was unique for several reasons compared to other genocides, like-

-The scope of it was unique among genocides.

-The meticulous planning was unique among genocides.

-The killing methods used were like nothing ever seen before or since.

-It occurred a unique time in history.

-It was the planned/attempted destruction of an entire race of people.

-Most survivors you see are Jews simply because they made up over half the number killed and would have made up far more of the number liberated.

-Jews also immigrated to countries all over the world after the war, so of course you're going to hear about this more. I grew up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood as a kid and I'll tell you this that I don't think I had one Jewish friend that didn't have a relative that had either survived the camps or had perished in one of them.

There's but a few brief answers, I purposely didn't elaborate on any of them because quite frankly, it irritates me that none of you could be bothered to even look at any of the piles of information so easily available on this subject and with that in mind, I’ll let you figure it out for yourselves.

protovack said:
Clearly the holocaust numbers are artificially inflated to bolster world support for the state of israel, which is basically religious discrimination.
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Clearly…8)

Your PROOF of this is where? www.jewwatch.com perhaps…? I seriously hope you’re joking, but if not, why don’t you take your anti-Semitic rubbish and fuck off asshole. Go back to reading your copy of “The protocols of the learned Elders of Zion” , “Mein Kampf” or whatever other similar garbage you’re probably into…
 
some good points raised by Zero.

in particular the reason we are taught about the holocaust in a different fashion to the way we are taught about the soviet state is that the worst excesses of murderous stalinism and criminal negligence - the famines, the Purges, WWII - were not a specifically planned and enacted programme to systematically exterminate an entire people.

it's quite possible to find survivor stories from many different walks of life; jews, communists, lesbians, gays, those with genetic disorders, physical disabilities, mental illness, alcoholism, criminals, jehovas witnesses; you have to remember that discrimination and radical social reconstruction was a fundamental basis for all applied nazi policy. also bear in mind that different 'undesirables' were dealt with differently; for example, through the Tiergartenstrasse 4 programme, state euthenasia of physically disabled and mentally ill people began well before WWII; criminals and alcoholics were in concentration camps (KZ) which are entirely different from the extermination camps (the 'Aktion Reinhard' camps - treblinka, sobibor, belzec, majdanek). remember that many holocaust victims died from bullets to the back of the head in the Baltic states; or on forced marches. different people were dealt with differently by the nazi state.

the thing is most people don't know anywhere near enough about the holocaust. but then again most people don't know anywhere near enough about history, which is a sad thing. history is super-important. remember, your state of knowledge reflects your education, age, and quality of teaching - not the universal standard (we learnt about the Purges in high school!).

We also discussed that in some small town in Germany, the only documentation of the holocaust exists, but Germany apparently won't release it or something?
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i've never heard anything about that; unless you're referring to the Federal Archives in Koblenz, which - like many state archives - are open to any visiting academic (but not to the public)?
 
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Many many people have died over the last century, whether it be war, genocide or natural disaster.

The point is most of the US media networks are OWNED by people of jewish decent - so they like to remember what happened to 'their own' and at the same time remind us all about it far more often than all the others.

It's a bit like the media coverage of the Israeli-palestinian conflict. It is usually biased, favouring the Israeli cause and often covered by the US media. The rest of the world sources the footage from them.

I wouldn't blindly believe what I saw on TV or read in the newspaper. There's usually more 'more than meets the eye'...
 
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Ah yes, the Jewish controlled media, you forgot to mention the banks, the worlds governments, that's right they're the puppet masters they run it all from behind the scenes don't you know? Yup, its all one big Jewish conspiracy...8)

I find the amount of anti-Semitism I run into WAY to often very disturbing. Nothing to pass the time like a little old fashion Jew hatin' I guess, is there asshole? Again, why don't you take your thinly veiled anti-Semitism and cram it up your arse you ignorant piece of shit you.
 
>>Clearly the holocaust numbers are artificially inflated to bolster world support for the state of israel, which is basically religious discrimination.
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Why do you think this? A functional argument isn't enough. . .

>>The point is most of the US media networks are OWNED by people of jewish decent - so they like to remember what happened to 'their own' and at the same time remind us all about it far more often than all the others.>>

1. Rupert Murdock is Jewish, right? ;)
2. The homogenization of media content is interesting in that it seems that it isn't necessarily the views of the owners of media outlets that determine this content. It seems more to be a complicated interplay of market forces (with advertisers at the center). . .

ebola
 
sorry,...
but didnt god created evil, or let it "happen"
so i will be with sexwivmusic on this one...
biblegod is the biggest criminal of all
crime againt humanity at its fullest
god = evil :X
 
Zero the hero said:
Ah yes, the Jewish controlled media, you forgot to mention the banks, the worlds governments, that's right they're the puppet masters they run it all from behind the scenes don't you know? Yup, its all one big Jewish conspiracy...8)

I find the amount of anti-Semitism I run into WAY to often very disturbing. Nothing to pass the time like a little old fashion Jew hatin' I guess, is there asshole? Again, why don't you take your thinly veiled anti-Semitism and cram it up your arse you ignorant piece of shit you.
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My my, how the mere mention of media ownership sure rattles the sayanim into action. What was your motto again? By deception thou art do war.

How Straussian of you.

Who said it was a big jewish conspiracy, Dr Zero? Nevermind, that is just the latest straw man from the resident ADL/Mossad/Bnai Brith shill...

Who OWNS the Fed, and 97% of the headlines you see?

International masonry is talmudian syncretism. Check out the $1 bill, above the eagle you may trace the star of david. America was founded on kabbalistic masonry.

Who funded the American Revolution? Who is Haim Solomon? Who wrote the Scofield Bible? Who is Dov Zakheim? Who killed Jesus? Who is Jack Abramoff? Who are the rothschilds? Who became enormously rich at the Battle of Waterloo?Who funded the Bolshevik revolution? Who is Jacob Schiff? Was Hitler a quarter jew from his mothers side? Who funded Hitler? What is the only religion which allows usury?

These are some of the questions you might want to address...

Most of the "Jews" today aren't even Semitic (sephardic) blood- so your tired anti-semitic canard just doesn't cut it.

Check out the history of the Khazars if you want to know the truth.

I'm against all evil, be it American, African, Italian, Japanese, and yes, Jewish. Fuck stereotypes, lets find the truth together...let the chips fall where they may.
 
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