pavotsomnifere
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i can't use responsibly; if I can get it/if it's there I'll use it.
the great debate: Is responsible, controlled, "successful" opiate use EVER possible?
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3 times a week is not a spike... A fucked up situation is when you're so addicted that you have to shoot 2.5 or 3g a day, now that's a lot. It's 400-420PLN (125-130$) and that's a lot for an average living person, even having a good job with monthly salary like 6000PLN (1880$; we finish universities to get a good job, we work like dogs to get nothing, that's my country). But I did things at that time... I often think what I could have now if not for my addiction.
Now I'm responsible. I worked hard to get down to 40ml of methadone syrup a day (1mg/ml) and I stick to it. Too bad I have to dose at least two times a day.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I don't feel any high from it, I feel just normal. So if I could dose once a day... Too bad buprenorphine (and 15,16-didehydrobuprenorphine too) failed me.
Now I'm responsible. I worked hard to get down to 40ml of methadone syrup a day (1mg/ml) and I stick to it. Too bad I have to dose at least two times a day.
I don't feel any high from it, I feel just normal. So if I could dose once a day... Too bad buprenorphine (and 15,16-didehydrobuprenorphine too) failed me.
skoat
Bluelighter
This guy is too right. The odds are severly against you. Best of luck with your adventures mate.
ive been using opiates probably every 2 months or so for the past 3 years but i usually pickup enough to last two weeks...then i use everyday for that two weeks. my tolerance never makes it past 15mg of hydro or oxy. i always eat my pills too. never been addicted never had withdrawal. i realize its a fine line i walk but im terrified of withdrawal/getting to a point where i need opiates to feel normal.
chrisinabox
Bluelighter
This is for heroin, but it is actually a fact that roughly 23% of heroin users are dependent on the drug or become dependent.
dokomo
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Any sources for that? Seems terribly off...
stuckinaloop
Bluelighter
I remember hearing a statistic that the majority of heroin addicts are not dependant
I dunno how true that is...I guess I could see that in the ghetto where someone is scrapin up change and splitting a bag between like 4 people and getting high maybe..
I dunno how true that is...I guess I could see that in the ghetto where someone is scrapin up change and splitting a bag between like 4 people and getting high maybe..
psychomimetic
Bluelighter
^You mean the majority of users. I've heard that same statistic as well.
chrisinabox
Bluelighter
Yes, I got a source. It is the NIDA(National Institute on Drug Abuse) that says this and obviously they are legitimate source. Scroll down to middle of page to see where it says it.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/heroin.html
''With regular heroin use, tolerance develops, in which the user’s physiological (and psychological) response to the drug decreases, and more heroin is needed to achieve the same intensity of effect. Heroin users are at high risk for addiction—it is estimated that about 23 percent of individuals who use heroin become dependent on it.''
http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/heroin.html
''With regular heroin use, tolerance develops, in which the user’s physiological (and psychological) response to the drug decreases, and more heroin is needed to achieve the same intensity of effect. Heroin users are at high risk for addiction—it is estimated that about 23 percent of individuals who use heroin become dependent on it.''
SirTophamHat
Bluelighter
I use opiates 10-12 times per year and have been doing so for two years now. I feel like I am responsible, but I know that if I had more money and a stable connect I'd be up shit creek without a paddle by now.
unsettled
Bluelighter
If I have regular access to opiates I always end up with a habit, however once I'm dependent I'm usually able to control how much I take on a daily basis. I think if I ever did Heroin this could easily change, and even now who knows if I'll be able to do the same in a year or even a month. I know I'm playing with fire here, and if I was rich I could see things getting out of hand for awhile.
Quantum Perception
Bluelighter
Ive been using opiates since spring 2008, about one to four times a month. I see the best rule is never do it twice or three days in a row. Party hardy one day, and have the will power to wait till you next session.
I've been using opiates recreationally since 2004. I had up to a 3-4 bag of heroin habbit sniffed 4x a week at my worst. I put money that has to go towards school and bills in the bank when I get paid, and the rest is spending money. I now use about 10x throughout the school year. The summer is when I use more.
Most people cannot use responsible. I have had so many people that I have done opiates with in the past that just got out of control. Pretty much each summer has been different people since the last people went to rehab or whatever.
Don't know if i'm gonna use this summer. Havent done anything in 4 months or so.
I will say that once you get dependent, your mindset is totally different. You don't really think about what you are doing. Then once you clean up your like "so i'm buying HEROIN (drug scraped from poppy plants, dissolved in water and mixed with lime and ammonia sulfate to make morphine, resold and dissolved and mixed with activated charcoal, hydrocloric acid, and some other chemicals in some shitty lab in columbia, sent to the ghetto where it is cut, and put in a stamp bag labeled something like "poison", "flatline", or "6 feet under") in the ghetto that is cut with god-knows-what, then going home, down into my basement since my parents are home. Then I am rolling up this dirty bill that has been god-knows-where, and sniffing the heroin/dirty cut mix, then will proceed to chainsmoke a pack of cigarettes.
Doesn't sound so good when your clean and actually think about these things.
Most people cannot use responsible. I have had so many people that I have done opiates with in the past that just got out of control. Pretty much each summer has been different people since the last people went to rehab or whatever.
Don't know if i'm gonna use this summer. Havent done anything in 4 months or so.
I will say that once you get dependent, your mindset is totally different. You don't really think about what you are doing. Then once you clean up your like "so i'm buying HEROIN (drug scraped from poppy plants, dissolved in water and mixed with lime and ammonia sulfate to make morphine, resold and dissolved and mixed with activated charcoal, hydrocloric acid, and some other chemicals in some shitty lab in columbia, sent to the ghetto where it is cut, and put in a stamp bag labeled something like "poison", "flatline", or "6 feet under") in the ghetto that is cut with god-knows-what, then going home, down into my basement since my parents are home. Then I am rolling up this dirty bill that has been god-knows-where, and sniffing the heroin/dirty cut mix, then will proceed to chainsmoke a pack of cigarettes.
Doesn't sound so good when your clean and actually think about these things.
There are definitely a class of people who are responsible and non-addicted recreational users. I'd say that most people who use opiates are not hardcore ruthless junkies, but rather recreational users from time to time.
I'd venture to guess that the image of a wreckless and unresponsible drug users is the one most portrayed by the media and therefore the most widely believed status of opiate use in the population.
I'd venture to guess that the image of a wreckless and unresponsible drug users is the one most portrayed by the media and therefore the most widely believed status of opiate use in the population.
Since I kicked oxy addiction in '08, I've been responsible with my use. Don't get me wrong, I still use them rather ofter (once or twice a week I'd hazard a guess), but it hasn't spiralled out of control since then (and that was mainly because I had a nearly unlimited supply of them).
treezy z
Bluelighter
i've used opiates for multiple years without becoming addicted, i think it's because dissociatives are my thing though so basically i don't have the love for opiates most users have.
in other words, i get out of dxm and ketamine what junkies get out of heroin.
in other words, i get out of dxm and ketamine what junkies get out of heroin.
I never met anyone who started using heroin and not became addicted to it over period of time. Dont know about other opiates, but with H, I'm convinced it's impossible not to get addicted to it.
However, I know people who got cleaned up and were able to use responsibly. I know one guy who uses once a week, other every 10 days, one twice per month. They been doing it for years now. But, again all had serious habbit before. One did $80 per day and gpt cleaned after 21 day detox. Another was using close to $200 per day and got clean in jail. He was tied to his bed for almost a month and barely remembers his first 30 days in jail. He's the one who uses twice per month. Another was on methodone maintance for about 6 month, got arrested, went through 2+ weeks of methodone withdrowal in jail and now does it every 5 days or so. It's like a ritual for all three of them. They all plan ahead, have days they gonna use circled on calendar and as far as I know have not slipped yet.
Met all of them in NA btw
However, I know people who got cleaned up and were able to use responsibly. I know one guy who uses once a week, other every 10 days, one twice per month. They been doing it for years now. But, again all had serious habbit before. One did $80 per day and gpt cleaned after 21 day detox. Another was using close to $200 per day and got clean in jail. He was tied to his bed for almost a month and barely remembers his first 30 days in jail. He's the one who uses twice per month. Another was on methodone maintance for about 6 month, got arrested, went through 2+ weeks of methodone withdrowal in jail and now does it every 5 days or so. It's like a ritual for all three of them. They all plan ahead, have days they gonna use circled on calendar and as far as I know have not slipped yet.
Met all of them in NA btw
footscrazy
Bluelight Crew
I've been using heroin for about 3 years now, about 30 or so times in all, I never felt any pull towards it but that's because I don't particularly like it.
However in the last few months I have begun using codeine, which I do like, and since then I've started becoming more fond of other opiates, including smack, and my usage has been increasing.
However in the last few months I have begun using codeine, which I do like, and since then I've started becoming more fond of other opiates, including smack, and my usage has been increasing.
stonedandrolling89
Bluelighter
I used to believe I was a responsible opiate addict, but I was just in denial.
I was 'scripted 100 Norco (10mg hydrocodone/325mg acetaminophen) a month, and using at least one OC 80 a day and then when heroin came into the picture, I was using 1/2g a day(gradually built a tolerance) on top of the Norcos(I would usually run out a week or two early, eating around 4-10 a day, depending on how much dope I had).
I thought I was in control til I couldn't finish the summer semester because I was so sick from not having any dope + bronchitis and missed the finals, then I lost my job, my girl, and overdosed a couple of days before my dad's birthday. I went to rehab for about nine months, and have been out for a little over a month.
Yes, I've used opiates a few times since I've been out, but I don't feel the same pull towards them as I used to. I had the chance to use some MS-Contin over the weekend that my dad was generous enough to give back to me(he took them from me when I OD'd last year) because I am in serious pain due to a problem tooth, and it was just yanked out today.
I've got 12 5/500 Vicodin now(well, actually 10 now), and am using them wisely.
I rambled a bit, but my point is: If you can juggle a job, a girl, a house, and your addiction without any issues, more power to you. My father was addicted to cocaine for over thirty years and never had any trouble with finances or health, and now he's addicted to benzos(primarily Xanax) and controls his addiction just fine. But, if you're like me, addiction can seem like you've got it under control, but things will eventually fall to shit at the worst time and you'll realize that you can't control it.
Well, I hope that made sense.
Much
,
stonedandrolling89
I was 'scripted 100 Norco (10mg hydrocodone/325mg acetaminophen) a month, and using at least one OC 80 a day and then when heroin came into the picture, I was using 1/2g a day(gradually built a tolerance) on top of the Norcos(I would usually run out a week or two early, eating around 4-10 a day, depending on how much dope I had).
I thought I was in control til I couldn't finish the summer semester because I was so sick from not having any dope + bronchitis and missed the finals, then I lost my job, my girl, and overdosed a couple of days before my dad's birthday. I went to rehab for about nine months, and have been out for a little over a month.
Yes, I've used opiates a few times since I've been out, but I don't feel the same pull towards them as I used to. I had the chance to use some MS-Contin over the weekend that my dad was generous enough to give back to me(he took them from me when I OD'd last year) because I am in serious pain due to a problem tooth, and it was just yanked out today.
I've got 12 5/500 Vicodin now(well, actually 10 now), and am using them wisely.
I rambled a bit, but my point is: If you can juggle a job, a girl, a house, and your addiction without any issues, more power to you. My father was addicted to cocaine for over thirty years and never had any trouble with finances or health, and now he's addicted to benzos(primarily Xanax) and controls his addiction just fine. But, if you're like me, addiction can seem like you've got it under control, but things will eventually fall to shit at the worst time and you'll realize that you can't control it.
Well, I hope that made sense.
Much
,stonedandrolling89