I want to know if anyone else thinks this is ridiculous. If someone is caught with x amount of dmt (somewhere over a g) they would get in some pretty big trouble but while that's going on, there are TONS of bars, advertising, and liquor stores. Alcohol is proven to destroy your liver and I'm damn sure that more people have died or harmed/killed others while drunk than on dmt. That's just an example. Pharmaceuticals are terrible for you and have stuff like tylonal added to it and is designed and prescribed to get you hooked on them yet weed is still barely accepted with the law (though it has come a very long way) and it is proven to help cure cancer. I'm not saying that all drugs are good and we should all partake but it strikes me as odd when 99% of drugs that are legal are terrible for you.
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Journyman16
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They don't like people playing with things that might enlighten them - death and illness, psychotic breaks and violence - all fine, but find out you're a spiritual Being??? OMG, what would they do with us?
Every time they test just dope it comes up fine except for the young - if your brain is still developing, replacing ANY of the chemicals is not a good idea. So what they do is test it with other things, like booze or speed or ecstasy and mandrax etc. Then they brarely mention there were other drugs involved and act like grass is SOOO bad for you.
Some bastard told the Aussie govt that salvia was hallucinogenic and they banned it without even testing it. I bought my first lot in a shop and when I went back it had been banned.
Victimless crime it is called.
Every time they test just dope it comes up fine except for the young - if your brain is still developing, replacing ANY of the chemicals is not a good idea. So what they do is test it with other things, like booze or speed or ecstasy and mandrax etc. Then they brarely mention there were other drugs involved and act like grass is SOOO bad for you.
Some bastard told the Aussie govt that salvia was hallucinogenic and they banned it without even testing it. I bought my first lot in a shop and when I went back it had been banned.
Victimless crime it is called.
Waffle Sock
Bluelighter
Trying to keep my vitriolic hatred of the government in the foreground while I formulate a detailed response to this.
Bardeaux
Bluelight Crew
I'm going to go ahead and move this over to Drug Culture. There's no drug talk allowed in SO. 
You're so edgy dude, you've totally got big pharma AND the government figured out. I should just go to my family doctor and say "hey I know that you don't care and you want me addicted to drugs, if I give you money you have to give me 180 2mg xanax, 180 40mg oxycodones and 180 8mg dilaudid" Because if doctor's are only after money, and not the well being of their patients, then it would totally work!!!! They want me to get hooked so they'd do this for sure!
DMT is in my brain and makes me dream and that's a fact, but alcohol is poison and opiates only exist so the lower class will get addicted!!!! Pain medication has never done anything good for anyone!!!! WEED CURES CANCER, LETS ALL SMOKE BLUNTS, IT'S MY MEDICINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
don't let the feds see this, looks like you're one of the first people to stumble upon this conspiracy
DMT is in my brain and makes me dream and that's a fact, but alcohol is poison and opiates only exist so the lower class will get addicted!!!! Pain medication has never done anything good for anyone!!!! WEED CURES CANCER, LETS ALL SMOKE BLUNTS, IT'S MY MEDICINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
don't let the feds see this, looks like you're one of the first people to stumble upon this conspiracy
szuko000
Bluelight Crew
I dont really subscribe to that whole "they are afraid of us being enlightened" thing. I guess I kind of did when I was younger I guess there are lots of reasons for it both highly inaccurate and riddled with BS and some accurate. I think it boils down to as much as we wish we could people can not be trusted to know what is good for them. You can say that they should be allowed to make that decision for themselves but if they were and people continued to make the wrong decision and it negatively impacted their lives to the point they could not support themselves they would ware away society.
I am not saying that people shouldnt be allowed to do certain things and the approach that all drugs are bad is right I am merely saying it is not as simple as "they do not trust us with knowledge!!!"
I am not saying that people shouldnt be allowed to do certain things and the approach that all drugs are bad is right I am merely saying it is not as simple as "they do not trust us with knowledge!!!"
FadedTryptamine
Bluelighter
I recently did 4 days in county jail for a hash vape, trying to pin a Felony on me when there was zero hash possession, just a c - rig on me.
While I'm sitting in jail for that bullshit I'm watching commercial after commercial advertising alcohol.
1 commercial I remember was showing naked females with Hobbs covering their boobs and vagina and my ass is sitting in jail over something that hasn't killed anyone.
It's fucking ridiculous.
IMO they want ppl to drink so ppl can drive and get dwi's, they make soo much money on dwi cases. I have 1 dwi and it's costing me nearly $12,000.
I also agree that the government doesn't want us to do anything that opens our minds. They want us to be sheep IMO. Why everything that opens your mind is schedule 1 IMO
I also see alcohol and cigarettes as a population control.
While I'm sitting in jail for that bullshit I'm watching commercial after commercial advertising alcohol.
1 commercial I remember was showing naked females with Hobbs covering their boobs and vagina and my ass is sitting in jail over something that hasn't killed anyone.
It's fucking ridiculous.
IMO they want ppl to drink so ppl can drive and get dwi's, they make soo much money on dwi cases. I have 1 dwi and it's costing me nearly $12,000.
I also agree that the government doesn't want us to do anything that opens our minds. They want us to be sheep IMO. Why everything that opens your mind is schedule 1 IMO
I also see alcohol and cigarettes as a population control.
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Burnt Offerings
Bluelight Crew
I agree with what you're saying here, but I also agree that "they do not trust us with knowledge". Certain knowledge anyway.
mostly-human
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To be fair, governments come down a LOT harder on stimulants and opiates than they do psychedelics like LSD, DMT, Mushrooms, etc.
szuko000
Bluelight Crew
This is true and what we must remember is these laws are basically a response to how the users and the drug were viewed at the time. Psychedelics were associated with hippys and a music scene that didnt hold traditional societal values and thus had strict laws against their usage, to avoid other children being "converted" into hippys in hopes that they would instead get good jobs and further society. Just as laws regarding the distribution of crack cocaine were a response to the epidemic and all the fear surround that. We see with the advent of legal marijuana how hard it is to change the law even if most people agree that the law itself is wrong.
So honestly if you wish to blame someone blame the hippies. Well blame societies view of a group that it did not fully understand and its response to the question "how do we avoid everyone becoming like this"
Imagine being able to buy acid like you do beer. Sure, responsible trippers would have a blast, BUT theres always those hardcore assholes who would want to eat a 10 strip every weekend and slowly start to lose their mind. Same thing with basically any psychedelic. AND you'd always have the guy who's "only had 2 hits, so clearly he can drive"
Truthfully, I haven't gained any "knowledge" or "transcendence" from psychedelics. I've never heard/read anything that isn't mumbo-jumbo bullshit from someone who's "opened their third eye". Have I solved problems through tripping? Yes. But not problems that I couldn't have solved sober or with therapy.
People think that just because other drugs (alcohol and tobacco) are legal and regulated means that everything has the potential to be legal and widely available, and that is simply not the case. Theres just too many factors that have to be strictly controlled for this to happen, and ignorant people like the OP want it to happen immediately, because we live in an instant-gratification world.
Truthfully, I haven't gained any "knowledge" or "transcendence" from psychedelics. I've never heard/read anything that isn't mumbo-jumbo bullshit from someone who's "opened their third eye". Have I solved problems through tripping? Yes. But not problems that I couldn't have solved sober or with therapy.
People think that just because other drugs (alcohol and tobacco) are legal and regulated means that everything has the potential to be legal and widely available, and that is simply not the case. Theres just too many factors that have to be strictly controlled for this to happen, and ignorant people like the OP want it to happen immediately, because we live in an instant-gratification world.
Waffle Sock
Bluelighter
DMT helps with my depression,suicidal urges, and existential torment of this arbitrary reality.
szuko000
Bluelight Crew
I agree with Iodo, I know we want to believe people can be trusted to make good decisions but they simply cant. Should those that cant make good decisions ruin it for everyone that is a very hard question to answer. Think of the devistation that Opium created in China and that was way before the type of modern society we have today, where everything is basically instant. China was basically being destroyed by British controlled opium during a time where cars and cell phones didnt exist and they couldnt handle then so we can not handle it now.
It is very unfortunate but I do not think society can handle fully legal drugs. Is it right, no but in some ways its needed. Addicts and crazy people do put a lot of stress on society's institutions and we need them to keep our standard of living. Now as far as personal amounts being legal without legal free trade of drugs, I dont see why individuals in possession of small personal amounts that are not being transfered should be arrested. Confiscated and destroyed sure but the person shouldnt be arrested for having them.
It is very unfortunate but I do not think society can handle fully legal drugs. Is it right, no but in some ways its needed. Addicts and crazy people do put a lot of stress on society's institutions and we need them to keep our standard of living. Now as far as personal amounts being legal without legal free trade of drugs, I dont see why individuals in possession of small personal amounts that are not being transfered should be arrested. Confiscated and destroyed sure but the person shouldnt be arrested for having them.
dopemaster
Bluelight Crew
The government will end prohibition on drugs they cannot control. Alcohol prohibition gave rise to the mafia.
So after the feds realized they could not stop alcohol they decided to tax it. The same thing will happen with Marijuana. If you just throw seeds into good soil plants will grow (trust me i did it to fuck with my parents as a kid) so it would be impossible to eradicate Marijuana.
I wish the feds would legalize shrooms and lsd. I would be willing to pay the tax.
Oh BTW it is legal to grow poppies. It is just illegal if you scrape them or make other efforts to make opium, morphine, or heroin. Yet a glass of poppy seed tea is legal.
So after the feds realized they could not stop alcohol they decided to tax it. The same thing will happen with Marijuana. If you just throw seeds into good soil plants will grow (trust me i did it to fuck with my parents as a kid) so it would be impossible to eradicate Marijuana.
I wish the feds would legalize shrooms and lsd. I would be willing to pay the tax.
Oh BTW it is legal to grow poppies. It is just illegal if you scrape them or make other efforts to make opium, morphine, or heroin. Yet a glass of poppy seed tea is legal.
If drugs are illegal, but still attainable, then the government doesn't have control of them in the first place. Heroin isn't controlled at all, but it's in every city.
I understand it's working with marijuana, but it isn't as simple as them deciding they can't stop it so they'll tax it.
Burnt Offerings
Bluelight Crew
I don't know, some of the sentences for people who've been involved in the manufacture/sale of LSD are ridiculous, like life-in-prison style ridiculous.
It's just that it's so rare compared to something like cocaine or heroin.
I completely agree and know where you are coming from...what I dont understand either, painpills were a HUGE problem around my area couple years ago, so the state enacted all kinds of tough new laws on doctors, its pretty damn hard to be even prescribed vics anymore...but all these new laws did was switch all the former pill heads on to H, so it backfired on them! LOL
But, the important thing here...they recognized the pain pill problem real quick and dealt with it real quick..they claim it was all for health and safety of the public, but last time I checked jails, ER rooms, have more problems with drunks, and this has been going on for years, decades...yet NO ONE even suggest new laws against alcohol....?? WTF??
I have ZERO respect for law enforcement for this reason, they openly lie to people and are out to arrest users for anything they can, its not for health and safety of anyone..imo, its all about keeping all the for profit jails over flowing to capacity ALL the time.
SirTophamHat
Bluelighter
Buddy said it real well
Opiate pain meds have also been shown to help people with depression, social anxiety, and other mental type problems, but it doesnt surprise me, they dont make these uses known the public...they seem to have a real hair up their ass with anything coming from the opium poppy. lol
pill_billy
Bluelighter
Well first off weed doesnt cure cancer, it helps with the pain ppl endure during chemo and helps them hold food down so they dont lose all their weight.... and all drugs should be legal, not one of the founding fathers ever said anything about the goverments role in making sure it protects the people from themselves... but thats just my opion