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Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

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JGrimez said:
But do you think Alasdairm will leave if he loses? No chance.
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i've never not paid on a lost bet in my life. ask droppersneck. we bet ~$100 on the last election and i paid him immediately.

i have a tattoo of the norwegian flag on my leg because i lost a bet and paid up.

i do you the simple courtesy of accepting that you bet in good faith and will leave if you lose. i am sad that you can't do the same. but, you make a lot of assumptions about me that are incorrect. so why should i be surprised that you're wrong again?

alasdair
 
Supreme Court Rejects Texas Suit Seeking to Subvert Election

"WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday rejected an audacious lawsuit by Texas that had asked the court to throw out the presidential election results in four battleground states captured by President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The court, in a brief unsigned order, said Texas lacked standing to pursue the case, saying it “has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections.”

The move, coupled with a one-sentence order on Tuesday turning away a similar request from Pennsylvania Republicans, signaled that the court has refused to be drawn into President Trump’s losing campaign to overturn the results of the election last month."

alasdair
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Wow, that's impressive.
What was the bet?
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i wrapped this in a spoiler. mods, sorry for drifting off- topic for a post...

about 8 years ago, i bartended in a restaurant on long island for a summer. the head chef/owner was of norwegian descent. scotland played norway in a world-cup qualifying soccer match while i was there. after service one night we drunkenly bet that the loser had to get the winner's national flag tattooed. norway won the match 4-0.

the rules were the loser got the tattoo and could choose the size and the location. the winner had to pay for it.

here it is:

tattoo3.jpg


i got the tattoo. he never paid me and, a month later in a moment of drunken sincerity, he told me that if scotland had won, he would not have gone through with the tattoo.

so when jgrimez questions my integrity, as he has now done twice, he demonstrates that he really knows nothing about me.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
Supreme Court Rejects Texas Suit Seeking to Subvert Election

"WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday rejected an audacious lawsuit by Texas that had asked the court to throw out the presidential election results in four battleground states captured by President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The court, in a brief unsigned order, said Texas lacked standing to pursue the case, saying it “has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections.”

The move, coupled with a one-sentence order on Tuesday turning away a similar request from Pennsylvania Republicans, signaled that the court has refused to be drawn into President Trump’s losing campaign to overturn the results of the election last month."

alasdair
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Told ya! They didn't even hear it.

The courts aren't gonna overturn the election. Trumps done.

But please, tell me how corrupt and let wing the Supreme Court is.
 
JessFR said:
Here's what's gonna happen. The Supreme Court. The Supreme Court that is currently very conservative. Is gonna throw this out fast.

Because all the arguments were already discredited in lower courts.
Because they could have been taken to court and litigated months ago.
Because the mechanism for bringing this suit is for interstate disputes and that's not what this is in the legal sense, it's one state complaining how another state runs its elections. This is an improper way to litigate that.
And because the arguments themselves, where they haven't been disproved, don't stand up to legal scrutiny.
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The bolded one is the reason that killed it. This was always a stunt that was never gonna go anywhere and those of us who live in the real world had good reason to show zero concern towards it.
 
alasdairm said:
i wrapped this in a spoiler. mods, sorry for drifting off- topic for a post...

about 8 years ago, i bartended in a restaurant on long island for a summer. the head chef/owner was of norwegian descent. scotland played norway in a world-cup qualifying soccer match while i was there. after service one night we drunkenly bet that the loser had to get the winner's national flag tattooed. norway won the match 4-0.

the rules were the loser got the tattoo and could choose the size and the location. the winner had to pay for it.

here it is:

tattoo3.jpg


i got the tattoo. he never paid me and, a month later in a moment of drunken sincerity, he told me that if scotland had won, he would not have gone through with the tattoo.

so when jgrimez questions my integrity, as he has now done twice, he demonstrates that he really knows nothing about me.

alasdair
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Wow. That's awesome. Very impressed.
 
While I am sure all the other lawsuits have only served to cast doubt on the election (a great alternative to having evidence of fraud if I may say so), I wonder how effective this one has been.

There's no way to suggest that the Supreme Court is some lapdog of the left, not after all the effort trump supporters just expended getting another justice appointed before the election. And how proud they were about having pushed it hard right for the next decade.

And now that court has slapped down this lawsuit that trump so hyped up, just like all the others have been in lower courts. And it was trumps appointees doing the slapping. Just as all of us who live in reality have been saying would happen.

Trump supporters are great at pretending not to see reality, but I suspect it will be difficult for them processing this turn of events.
 
alasdairm said:
sure. you be you.

but perhaps understand, then, that it's hard to take it seriously when you claim the truth is important to you?

alasdair
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If I can just make one point on that, it would not be at all fair, in my belief, to suggest the truth is not important to me.

Honestly to (God) nothing has ever been more important to me than absolute truth. It has always been a core part of my being to be as dead open honest truthful transparent as I can be generally as a person.

Now when we are dealing with the mammouth, impossible task of actually discovering, calculating, figuring out, deciphepring, so on so on...the real ultimate truths about the reality we are born into and live in, it is anyone's guess..."truthfully" lol.

Every single idea, belief etc rests on a gigantic, lifelong inbuilt and constructed set of premises, constantly being re-worked and remoddled like the scaffolding on a building site.

The analogy fits perfectly in my mind. I like my analogies!

So it is a hard game, if knowing truth wasn't difficult enough for us all, proving it is equally impossible.
 
@AutoTripper

You're not being honest with yourself.

If the truth is as important to you as you say it is, you should be able to see what is right in front of you. It's not a question of your ability to decipher a riddle.

There is no riddle.
Trump lost.

If truth is important, wait for evidence to present itself. The evidence says Trump lost. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. So, he lost. That is as close to truth as you can come in this situation.

AutoTripper said:
the real ultimate truths about the reality we are born into... is anyone's guess
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Okay, but this is not a "real ultimate truth about the reality we are born into"...

This is an election.

It is not anyone's guess.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Am I the only "Trump supporter" on this entire forum that realizes he lost the election?
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Well credit to you, because I did catch glimpses, but it was outrightly obvious to me at all that you are a Trump Supporter.

And I guess I am reading different articles to you all, seeing diifferent stats, listening to different people.

I sincerely do not blinker eyed ingnore the reality of the big ship heading this way. Please, in every sense, shoe me full reality and I will thank you for it and embrace it, however cruel.

I honestly just don't know what to truly, ultimately believe on this one.

This is above all else, a huge war of deception, misinformation, from all angles.

I try to keep an open mind honestly. Wishful thinking and self-denial has never been a part of me. Once I am personally convinved of something, no logical grounds for denial, I will readily accept and embrace it, even ifvI rejected it in principle.

I know this post will likely come back on me, like most here do lol!

But I am always very true to myself.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
@AutoTripper

You're not being honest with yourself.

If the truth is as important to you as you say it is, you should be able to see what is right in front of you. It's not a question of your ability to decipher a riddle.

There is no riddle.
Trump lost.

If truth is important, wait for evidence to present itself. The evidence says Trump lost. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. So, he lost. That is as close to truth as you can come in this situation.



Okay, but this is not a "real ultimate truth about the reality we are born into"...

This is an election.

It is not anyone's guess.
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It is all part of the same, cleverly and gradually, artificially and weaved constructed phohey 3d reality and control system around us.

Even small, mundane things, still rest upon and exist on that huge long worked construct of logical premises we have individually and collectively assembled in our lives and imaginations..

You pull out the bottom brick (like Jenga) and a lot can topple very quickly.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Am I the only "Trump supporter" on this entire forum that realizes he lost the election?
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I hope to God love bandit agrees with you. I love our lovable love bandit and would be bummed out if he didn't see it. I could tag him and ask for his opinion, but I know he's busy and I don't wanna distract him over something like this. If he sees it he sees it.

But yeah.. I mean, I think what you gotta understand is that a lot of trump supporters, and more specifically trump fanatics, much as they talk about other people being sheep, they just believe whatever trump tells them to believe.

For the record, I know there are sensible trump supporters. I don't understand how they can support him, but it's kinda like sensible religious types. I might not understand this one thing they believe in, but I can see they are otherwise sensible, rational, intelligent people.

Which is why I try to refer to trump fanatics rather than Trump supporters when I talk shit about them, because I'm not talking about anyone who supports trump when I make fun of em, I'm only talking about the hardcore trump fanatics that reject even basic aspects of reality that conflict with their beliefs.

Kinda like the difference, to use another analogy with religion, between fundamentalists and non findamentalists. It's trump fundamentalists I have a real problem with. Not just trump believers.
 
Also, it's soooo easy to fool the untrained mind into thinking there's really good evidence for something when there isn't. And social media and YouTube has really created an environment for such brainwashy ideas to thrive in.

Advertising has been using these tricks for decades to convince people to go against their better judgement.

There's not a lot of difference between the fraud arguments and how they convince people that dietary supplements work.

You cast doubt on mainstream medicine, insinuate that they're powerful greedy industries that are suppressing the truth of your product (which is ironically itself a giant wealthy industry). You flood people with testimonials and vague evidence they can't realistically wade though.

And for people already inclined to believe in those arguments, their brain like most people just tries to simplify by believing it. Then confirmation bias and ego and such keep them seeing more evidence, locking them into their belief.
 
AutoTripper said:
Honestly to (God) nothing has ever been more important to me than absolute truth. It has always been a core part of my being to be as dead open honest truthful transparent as I can be generally as a person.
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fair enough.

consider asking yourself, for example, "why do i believe that president trump is one very informed man?" and answering it. truthfully.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
fair enough.

consider asking yourself, for example, "why do i believe that president trump is one very informed man?" and answering it. truthfully.

alasdair
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Well, first, you can "honestly" (lol, what an appropriate, typically figure of speech word to use here) count on me to speak purely truthfully from my mind and heart, regardless of conscious rightness or wrongness.

I just logically assumed he would likely receive intel from certain high up sources most do not have privvy to basically.

But as I have tried to discaim, I am open to changing views and opinions radically. I will never hold onto old beliefs, for comfort or otherwise sake, if I do not believe in them.

I am definitely more openly considering a lot of things currently.

As a small divergent, and I really don't mean to incite anger or touch nerves with the second point....and most people could understandably assume this to be barmy, but if I was to meet Trump myself, I would ask him two very prominent curious questions- one) why on earth has he so championed utterly poisonous, health sabotaging fast food, aka man made artificial fats, salts, sugars etc, totally refined, McDonalds essentially, also famously Pizza Hut...


And...why is he making himself the public spearhead to drive this vaccination agenda, which I personally have the deepest mistrust in.

Not trying to get into that contencious issue here or ignite passions.

Those are honestly the two things I would ask him first!

I'm not right, am I lol!

Anyway, @alasdairm I do still hope for an unexoected miracle/Trump win.

But I also hope you do not find cause to leave us, in any event. That would just be a waste, and a silly one IMO.

I respect a man of his word of course, but when that word id silly (in my view and no offence) and spurred by passion, I respect him more for being brave and acting freely according to reason, even seeking respectful aggreement and settle with said parties if required.
 
JessFR said:
There's not a lot of difference between the fraud arguments and how they convince people that dietary supplements work.
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Just wanted to point out that some dietary supplements work. Iron and fiber for example. But, yes, I see your point.
 
Trump COULD be very informed. The presidential briefings alone provide a lot of information about the world as well a top secret information about America's preparedness.

And that's not even counting the access the president has. He could ask to be briefed about pretty much any aspect of the government and some of the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world.


But it's all wasted on him, because it's pretty clear from everything we know about trump that he can't even read a 1 page report without getting distracted.

Maybe it's not entirely his fault, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he has some kinda attention deficit disorder. But end result is the same, he can't focus and read reports and that severely hamstrings him.

We know this also from the guy who wrote his book art of the deal. He tried interviewing him for the book but it was useless, apparently trump just couldn't focus and kept getting distracted and talking about other shit. In the end he wound up just following trump everywhere and listening to his phone calls to get the info for the book.

Which apparently trump loved, cause you know, narcissist, he loves attention.

If you don't believe me by all means look into what the people close to him and who've worked with him have said. Not to mention trumps own behavior.
 
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