Hope it's alright for me to be interrupting here.
I stopped posting on all this shit yesterday because it's evident that it doesn't matter how you put any of these arguments across in favor of Trump: they want him out at all costs and that's that.
Also: sure does appear to me that the Biden thread is almost like sacred ground for one or two people in power here. So fuck it (there anyway).
For what it's worth: the two of you (
@birdup.snaildown and
@JessFR) sure do seem to be going to a lot of trouble to have a decent and proper debate and backed up by fact checking etc. Good on the both of you. Hats off to the both of you i.e. this really is a compliment and not me being facetious. I applaud both your efforts.
Only thing really that I'd like to add to your arguments is this:
It does amaze me the excuses (more like justifications really) being made by the left. Yesterday on the Holy Joe thread: it was at least admitted and accepted that SOME fraud took place. Just that the LEVEL wasn't enough to justify any action on anybody's part. And in reading through the current arguments on this thread: also seems to be a bit of a double standard i.e. doesn't matter that Biden lies through his teeth (or has done so anyway in the past). Just as long as it doesn't affect the outcome of this election and Trump is kicked out on his ear. In other words: everything and anything is acceptable just as long as it's the Democrats. It's a bit like saying well a little bit of fraud is alright. It's alright if I fleece your bank account just as long as I don't take the whole lot.
That's about it really.
My only other observation is the below:
I don't know if it's just the shit that YouTube is spewing forth or what. But right up until this morning: I'm not seeing anything that even remotely indicates that Trump has given up and is going to accept this lying down. Matter of fact: I don't know if it's because of the pressure or what but he sure does seem to have become very Presidential of late. And every time I look: there's another lawsuit being filed somewhere (some reports, as of this morning, not being even an hour old) (although who knows i.e. I've noticed more than once that dates and times of reports or videos have been somehow fucked with so I don't know if they've as current as they would appear to be). I don't know anymore. But he sure doesn't look like, nor is he acting like, a man defeated. Not yet and even at this late stage. And I tell you: I hope like fuck that somehow he pulls this one off and no matter how dirty he has to play. Just out of principle if nothing else. I have more respect for the man now than I've ever had. And that's saying something because I'll admit that in the last four years some of his outbursts have been cringe worthy at minimum. I think the biggest problem here is that he's exposed the shortcomings in the process and the rot that's been allowed to set in for decades. And how anybody can simply ignore the anomalies in the counts is beyond me. He didn't draw those graphs up in his spare time with a sharpie I assure you. Not to mention the testimony of a Colonel in the United States Military no less who gave testimony that not only is this Dominion crowd capable of guaranteeing the outcome of election results but they'd done it more than once in other countries' elections successfully. Not to mention the spiderweb between all of their associates and which can be tied back to certain prize individuals and their families. This is not conjecture. It's fact. And there's just way too many individuals coming out of the woodwork with stories of fraud and irregularities that they've actually witnessed (not hearsay). But I'm guessing the left would rather believe that they're just brainwashed mad people (maybe even on a payroll or some other excuse).
It's a travesty. And when you look at the groups that want Trump out so bad they can taste it: it's appalling. And very sadly: this is bigger than Trump or America. And therein lies the actual problem. For me anyway. And I wish like fuck that there was something that I could actively do about it. And I don't mean buying a ticket to the US and go protesting with some or the other lame placard hanging around my neck either. Anyway. Unfortunately I have my own shit to take care of and try get out of (and Trump and Republicans sure are not going to be helping me out). But given a different time and a different situation: I'd be there! And with bells on! Out of principle if nothing else!
I see that at least the French, of all fucking people, seem to be getting their shit together! (Off topic of course and falls in the "in other news" category but worth a mention anyway).
Not that anybody, I'm sure, will take the time or go to the trouble to watch it but I'm putting the video up anyway (the link below). Does that look or sound like a man that's about to give up or has given up? Not from where I'm sitting.
I don't know what his plan is. I don't know if it's to actually hold onto power right now. Or if this is just his starter for ten (for 2024). But this ain't done yet. That is my hope anyway.
