Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[TheLoveBandit]

Also I don't recall anyone having a problem when Trump became president elect right after the election.

Dems proclaimed impeachment before he was inaugurated. Just took them 3y to imagine something to impeach him on.

Filing a lawsuit with zero evidence doesn't change the result.

And, until the results are in and certified, they aren't results.

I think the only ones on the right thinking Trump has a chance are the dreamers (lol...funny to use that Obama term this way). Most agree the vote as it appears is insurmountable.

 

[alasdairm]

what will you do if Trump does manage to get the votes overturned and the electoral college re-elects Trump?

nothing. if that is the legal result of the election, i'll accept it.

alasdair

 

[Deru]

Just to level set where we're at right now:

(note EpochTimes is a right lean source)

It's amazing how we can interpret and manipulate numbers based on bias.

Or as Trump said recently, "miraculously."

I think this map is pretty deceptive considering the probability that any of the states with a lawsuit or recount will flip back to Trump, with maybe Georgia as the possible exemption.

 

[Deru]

And, until the results are in and certified, they aren't results.

Technically, true. Although, again, it's about the probability they won't become certified.

 

[JessFR]

It's amazing how we can interpret and manipulate numbers based on bias.

Or as Trump said recently, "miraculously."

I think this map is pretty deceptive considering the probability that any of the states with a lawsuit or recount will flip back to Trump, with maybe Georgia as the possible exemption.

It's a complete joke. Anyone can file lawsuits in trumps states too if we wanna pretend trump didn't win them.

The lawsuits in most of those states, EVEN IF THEY WON, won't throw out enough votes to change the result.

It's total bullshit.

Let me say that again. These lawsuits. even if they fucking win. Won't invalid enough votes for trump to win.

 

[JessFR]

I've repeatedly heard how these lawsuits should be allowed to go through so as to provide confidence in the election.

Now that's fine, and they will, but let's not kid ourselves, it's so damn obvious most trump supporters are just gonna say the courts are corrupt too once they're thrown out. I've already seem them start doing it.

If there are trump voters being honest with themselves that probably lost legitimately, they're apparently still too afraid to admit it in the company of others.

 

[novaveritas]

My this is entertaining. must buy more pocorn.

Guilliani is claiming 650k dodgy votes in PA, many people would really really like to know he hopes to prove that, but anyway, If they target mostly democrat leaning areas in PA with the allegations, currently in PA the split is 52k votes it could matter bigly. 20 electoral votes which I think are all or nothing allocated to the winner in PA.

 

[JessFR]

My this is entertaining. must buy more pocorn.

Guilliani is claiming 650k dodgy votes in PA, many people would really really like to know he hopes to prove that, but anyway, If they target mostly democrat leaning areas in PA with the allegations, currently in PA the split is 52k votes it could matter bigly. 20 electoral votes which I think are all or nothing allocated to the winner in PA.

PA is winner takes all yes. They all are except Maine and Nebraska.

But claiming in the media that you can prove there's however many fraudulent votes is meaningless. They've claimed a lot of stuff only to come to court and not even risk claiming a fraction of it.

Cause, you can actually get in trouble for filing repeated bogus lawsuits. And for lying in court.

Saddly there's no repercussion for knowingly lying to the American voting public.

 

[alasdairm]

as i understand it, there have been a handful of suits including

• pennsylvania: trump campaign claims length of time it took to count ballots is "a sign" that something fraudulent must be happening. president trump claimed "big" legal wins in the state but the state ag says that the lawsuits have yielded no material changes to election processes.
• michigan: in two suits, the trump campaign alleges "lack of transparency". so far, neither judge has been impressed. in one, judge timothy kenny denied a request to delay certification saying "This court finds that while there are assertions made by the plaintiffs that there is no evidence in support of those assertions..."
• arizona: the trump campaign alleged that some voters had their ballots rejected incorrectly because they used a sharpie to fill them out. that claim was debunked by president trump's own dept. of homeland security. the campaign dropped that suit but filed another. the az secretary of state quoted as saying "the claims are baseless"
• georgia: a state judge dismissed a trump campaign suit which alleged that ballots received after a an election day deadline were mixed with legitimate ballots. judge james bass dismissed the case saying "the court finds that there is no evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after 7:00 p.m. on [Election Day], thereby making those ballots invalid"

there seems to be a pretty common theme - lots of assertions, no evidence.

(my, new emphasis)

alasdair

 

[Xorkoth]

My this is entertaining. must buy more pocorn.

Entertaining? I'm finding it a lot more depressing than entertaining and I'm not sure if I want to keep coming to this thread. So much disrespect everywhere...

 

[mal3volent]

The way I understand it, the states have to certify their votes. This may take a week or two.
From there, they know the state senate members (?) who determine the electors.
From there, the electoral college members cast their respective votes and a president is named = this isn't until mid December, at best.

All of the above is without courts hearing lawsuits about fraud, which of course can add to the time required....or may change a 'winner' after the fact.

Therefore, all the cries about Trump not conceding, or gov't officials (R's in congress or on Trump's staff) not congratulating Biden on the win (one of the MSMs, I think Fox, has a running list of who in Congress has NOT congratulated Biden)...all those cries are moot at this point in time. Nothing is decided, other than MSM going off on what they believe the outcome will be. Just because they say it, doesn't mean it's fact. Actually, if they say it, count on it being fake, as evidenced of their last decade or so of 'news' stories

No one is saying any of this is technically wrong. As Trump has proven so many times since he was elected, there are many traditions and unwritten rules we expect our Presidents to abide by that they don't have to legally. I thought conservatives were all about tradition though and being honorable. Even Hussein Obama graciously invited Trump to the White House. And that was following a more narrow victory than Biden's.

If the US was handling the pandemic as badly as the UK, there would be 300-400k+ deaths in the US, and 150-200k new cases per day.

We had 145k cases yesterday and the deaths will surpass 300-400k by the end of the year.

 

[novaveritas]

PA is winner takes all yes. They all are except Maine and Nebraska.

But claiming in the media that you can prove there's however many fraudulent votes is meaningless. They've claimed a lot of stuff only to come to court and not even risk claiming a fraction of it.

Cause, you can actually get in trouble for filing repeated bogus lawsuits. And for lying in court.

Saddly there's no repercussion for knowingly lying to the American voting public.

Let's wait and see, I think beer and popcorn is required.

You are appealing to the court system to throw it out, then wait for them to throw it out. Don't prejudge the outcome.

I really don't think Trumps lawyers give a damn about lying in state court, but at the same time they probably have a prima facie case whether it meets any evidential standard is another hurdle.

I guarantee there are discoverable irregularities in the election, this isn't Belarus you know, but whether the discrepancies matter is for the courts to decide.

There is no penalty for lying to the voting public because otherwise every single politician would be in jail.

 

[JessFR]

Trumps lawyers had better care about lying in court if they wish to remain lawyers. Getting caught in a lie can cause them to lose their license for violation of professional ethics.

They've already had to begrudgingly admit their lack of evidence in court in several of these cases.

Like the whole "non zero" number of observers.

Granted trumps lawyers do seem kinda crap since at least one lawsuit got thrown out for not being filed properly in several ways.

But still, if theirs no evidence, the court will almost certainly throw it out.

 

[novaveritas]

You're dreaming, Lawyers will cheat and lie when they know they can get away with it, if they present an apparently prima facie case they are on solid ground even if the evidence is turns out baseless. Disbarment of lawyers would be a catastrophic error for the Democrats all the players in the game know this.

I would also be surprised if Biden goes after Trump, in the same way Trump let Clinton go, "they're good people" Biden will let Trump go, maybe because he thinks Trump is George Bush.

 

[JessFR]

You're dreaming, Lawyers will cheat and lie when they know they can get away with it, if they present an apparently prima facie case they are on solid ground even if the evidence is turns out baseless.

Do lawyers lie? Yes. But as a profession there are faaar more standards and consequences for lying as a lawyer than nearly any other.

You can't just perjure yourself as a lawyer and expect to get away with it if you're caught.

 

[Hylight]

IF ONLY YOU HAD YOUR EYES OPEN YOU'D SEE THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SATANIC CANNIBALS FUNNELLING MONEY TO CHINA TO CREATE COVID19 TO HAVE THE ILLUMINATI RELEASE IT TO MAKE TRUMP LOOK BAD.

AND BIDEN IS A PEDOPHILE, YOU'D SEE IT IF YOU'D JUST WATCH MASSES OF CHILD PORN LIKE I HAVE!

i'm confused. is politics about what they accomplish or what they don't. just saying. im out. the world is corrupt. bottom line.bye.

 

[JessFR]

Smartest poster here ^^^

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Let's wait and see, I think beer and popcorn is required.

That's disgusting. Makes me know I'd throw up afterward, likely during, and even now just thinking about it.

But still, if theirs no evidence, the court will almost certainly throw it out.

So...how about we let the courts reach that decision instead of insisting it's all bullshit? Even if it is, none of us are the ones to make that decision, are we?

 

[JessFR]

I'm entitled to an opinion about the evidence presented this far.

Which is still better than all the Trump voters just stating fraud as a fact without any evidence at all.

 

[mal3volent]

So...how about we let the courts reach that decision instead of insisting it's all bullshit? Even if it is, none of us are the ones to make that decision, are we?

so this is the new normal then? Loser clogs up the courts with frivolous lawsuits for months after the election and its all a-ok because "that's their right" ?

Help me out here... Did Obama or his administration deny Trump security briefings leading up to his inauguration? Was he welcomed into the White House? Did he receive a concession from Hillary ? Was he given all the money and resources he needed for a smooth transition?

These are basic courtesies and tradition. Yes, congress impeached Trump during his presidency. The Republicans impeached Bill Clinton. Was George W. Bush treated like Biden is being treated now? I was very young but I don't recall any major hiccups whatsoever, even after the outgoing president had been impeached and the incoming president had just won the most contested election in American history...