Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[JessFR]

OK I'll stop now I promise.

 

[cduggles]

You people are so DENSE LOL. Man I can't even fathom.

There’s no need to get personal.

 

[JessFR]

Lol you want to make us out to be crazy,

Most of the DC system are satanic moloch worshippers from bohmeian grove that is a fact

 

[OpiateKiller]

it's not a rhetorical question. i asked because i wanted to hear your answer.

i asked because this:


implies some kind of action.

so you're all talk and no action? understood. thanks.

alasdair

#1 - when I wrote that I was drunk and joking
#2 - it feels like you are trying to entrap me into saying something incriminating or stupid for whatever gains you may plan on, getting me banned on here? Or worse ?

If the election is proven to be fair and Biden wins, there is nothing I can do old sport, it’s called life.

That said If Trump wins and democrats start rioting and destroying America like they always do, I’ll gladly join the ranks of fellow trump supporters and defend my land; my family and this country from terrorists, foreign and domestic.

Hope that helps

 

[OpiateKiller]

That is some scary stuff @TripSitterNZ. I don’t even disagree with you, but the fact remains for a majority of Americans, that Trump allowed a quarter million people plus to die from a preventable death.

I’m with you on some of your arguments here, but none of that satanic fear and rhetoric can override Trumps complete indifference for American lives. We are no longer allowed to visit countries abroad (or just to the north and south of our borders), because of how bad the US has responded to this pandemic. I’m not making this up, Trump killed his own people by his actions, and more importantly, his non-action, and the whole world took notice.

There isn’t enough satanic worship and baby killing/fucking/burning by the left that can make up for the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans by Trump. That was unforgivable (as seen by this election).

Did you read a single word I wrote? Please elaborate and explain how even a single death from Corona is Donald Trumps fault?

Our health is a personal responsibility - not the responsibility of the government. Stop eating McDonald’s, smoking cigarettes and drinking soda. That’s a start. People died because they were unhealthy. Just accept it.

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

I'm a libertarian, so I'm gonna be disappointed regardless.

 

[JessFR]

If the election is proven to be fair and Biden wins,

Riight, what counts as proving the election to be fair? Can we perhaps say if the courts don't overturn the results that that proves it's fair? Cause I suspect that in practice no amount of proof will be proof enough for most trump supporters here.

 

[CFC]

If the US was handling the pandemic as badly as the UK, there would be 300-400k+ deaths in the US, and 150-200k new cases per day.

 

[AutoTripper]

You people are so DENSE LOL. Man I can't even fathom.

PEOPLE DIED ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT'S A CONTAGIOUS DEADLY VIRUS.

The United States has tested more COVID-19 cases than any other country by A LOT.

And it's been documented the CDC*and hospital billing departments were pushing for CO-VID-19 death certificates - it was on many news stations. The numbers were boosted - they aren't real.

Get hit by a bus - die from internal bleeding ... but if the patient was CO-VID positive, it was a corona death.

but yeah, TRUMP DID IT! TRUMP IS A BIG BULLY HE LET EVERYONE DIE. He told your grandma to go outside without a mask!

big mean Mr. Trump killed everyone. Not corona, trump did it daddy! Jesus get a grip people

I tried to suggest similar things. But this thread is strangely overwhelmingly dominated by exreme Trump oppononent, in many cases very hateful and bitter.

I mean, you honestly would think Trump was Adolph 2!!

Not even joking guys.

Trump don't like that Billy G. They are arch rivals. Both powerful. Like two stags. They can swing for each other, but there will be collaterol damage either way.

One of Donald's own children was badly damaged by a vaccine. He spent a lot of money with some smart scientists, who concluded that the child's sudden development of autism was very very likely the direct result of vaccine damage.

Vaccine damage is a very real, undeniable phenomena. Many lives have been crippled.

Fairly recently, can't recall if it was months or years (yes I know again, @alasdairm that's very vague and washy, you can rightly request date stamped official documents of solid evidence lol, just fooling mate)....but I think it might have actually been quite recently that the drug companies were granted total immunity from prosecution or any legal action in the event of vaccine injuries, which do definitely occur, regardless of whether one believes it's a conspiracy or not, it's just a fact.

So that in itself, somethinh really not right about that, IMO.

But Trump allegedly set out with one chief aim to take down Billy G's vaccination programme.

Like a cat with claws, Bill threatened to destroy the US economy. So Trump stepped off the gas.

@TripSitterNZ is not talking shit at all. Satanism is very real, and stems and originates from the very highest, most secretive ranks of society.

To deny the existence of Satanism and true black magic is just to be very naive in my opinion. (And no, @alasdairm I don't have those official documents yet ☺)

Except....Alex Jones is the last expose I would personally seek and pick.

Alex Jones is one of the most (deliberately) blatant and obvious actors as part of the long established "controlled opposition" movement/agenda, as philosophised by General Eisenhower eons ago.

There are so many others in identical role, pretending to be "conspiracy theorists" (I call it Realist!) in the public eye, misleading, distorting, making a mockery of.

That was always Jone's essential main objective. To make a total mockery of the "truth" movement.

I have not personally acquired a single idea or belief from Alex Jones, the fraud he is I saw from day one.

But he spoke many truths, part of the script and blueprint.

Did you evet see the illuminati catd game of the 90's?

Fascinating how many predictions have come exactly true, with such specific symbology.

Jones is on a few cards. It's interesting, whatever you each believe. Here are just a few cards as example- two of Jones, one of Trump.

illuminati card game alex jones - Google Zoeken

www.google.com

illuminati card game alex jones - Google Search

www.google.com

Illuminati Card Game Is More Evidence of Time Travel - Dibird Show

They stole Nikola Tesla's time travel device - his passion. Learned how to use it, now controlling our minds with it, by keeping us in shock and hypnotized.

dibirdshow.com

 

[JessFR]

I love that conspiracy theorists constantly accuse other conspiracy theorists of being "in on it" because they're espousing the "wrong" version of the conspiracy theory.

In truth though I don't consider Alex Jones a conspiracy theorist at all. He's a capitalist making use of conspiracy theorists gullibility for profit. As do so many others.

Basically he's a conman. Using the same tricks people do to sell vegan and all natural bs or new age organic crap. Only this is the right wing conspiracy theorist version.

But in both cases it's just for profit.

 

[JessFR]

Nova and others have suggested that I'm being just as bad as trump fanatics.

I've been thinking about it because it rings true to something I used to think. But that was back before trump hijacked the republican party. Before conspiracy theorists took over and destroyed any semblance of an agreed upon reality or standard of evidence.

I'm not gonna apologize for mocking this shit, because I'm sick of pretending that reality isn't what it is. That it's "up for debate" if every aspect of society is being run by Satanists and other nonsense. That you can just say an elections been hijacked and insist there's evidence when there quite obviously isn't any. Or that you can just pretend covid19 doesn't exist or that all the observations on it by health authorities are fake while youtube nobodies are believed with virtually no evidence at all.

If I were behaving this way for people simply being conservatives there was a time I would agree. But this new alt right conspiracy politics? No.

As I said earlier. I don't see this as left vs right. But rather, for lack of a better term, left and right vs altright.

I refuse to sugar coat and pretend that "the bohemian grove satanic cannibal pedophile illuminati controls everything!" is a sensible political position worth serious debate.

The satanic pedophile illuminati cannibal bohemian deep state... Is not the same as being pro gun or pro life.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

He's just resisting until there's no going back. Probably the electoral college vote mid next month, or the certification process soon after that.

You have it backwards. All states have different deadlines for certification, but the last is Wisconsin on Dec 1. Then, the Electoral College meets Dec 14 to vote for President. Jan 6 is when joint Congress meet to count Electoral votes and declare a President. Inauguration, as most know, is Jan 20. FTR, there is no 'President Elect' until after the states have certified their ballots, at the soonest, despite how many times MSM refers to Biden as such.

Personally, I suspect you're right Trump will begin his exit once (enough) states are certified and/or the Electoral College meets. He's using all the time and means available to him until that point, but I don't think anyone (even on the right) expects him to fight past that point.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

It's like you people are looking for a house wife from a prostitute? Donald isn't supposed to be your friend or your favorite super hero... He's the president for fk sake

This is where most discussions I've had with folks on the left have ended. They ask why I can support a President who "behaves this way?" At that point, they've shown it's an emotional thing for them, not rational, so any logical review of the facts, and his performance in leading the country, are moot. It's on par with how a left leaner finds the conversation moot when someone from the right spouts never ending conspiracy theories and refuses to accept the plain facts as they present themselves. We can all interpret the 'facts' differently, derive our own meanings behind how they occurred and what it can lead to, but none of our opinions changes the reality that facts are facts. What one believes, is not always fact, but simply what one chooses to believe. I'm in that boat, I think we all are if we step back and assess how much of our beliefs can actually be proven....doesn't mean we believe it any less.

To your point, there are a LOT of accomplishments Trump has done as President. Most aren't covered by media unless it is to apply a negative spin. I won't list them here, they likely belong in the Trump thread. But, they exist, people can choose to accept them or not, personal choice. They can likewise decide for themselves if these achievements are positive or negative, depends on their values and what's important for our country in their own view. Personal choice, not really gonna change by USING ALL CAPS or beating the same point over and over in a conversation. << NOTE<< when I do things like this, I'm not replying to OK's quote specifically, but speaking generally. Just an FYI.

Ali asked what one would do when Biden is officially elected. From where I'm sitting today, with the fact of Biden holding a margin in the popular vote much bigger than one could expect could be overturned by lawsuits...I'd accept the majority of America had chosen Biden. Odd how Democrats have spent nearly four years NOT accepting the fact that America had chosen Trump, and using every means possible to #resist and undermine his efforts.

I suspect half of America will #resist a Harris-Biden administrations efforts. I doubt it would be done from within the government as overtly and unethically as it has been done against Trump, as R's have traditionally been to weak to push back that hard. The public would #resist, if mandates like national mask wearing are pushed forth. Increased taxes, as promised by Biden, would likely be swallowed reluctantly. It's a mixed bag, IMO, of what policies are put forth and how much that goes against one's beliefs = a spectrum of #resist from across the public. But I sincerely doubt you'll see the destruction we've seen from the left (BLM, Antifa) in recent months. How many here believe DC getting boarded up was over concern of Trump supporters storming the White House? How many believe it was in preparation of what the left has already shown itself willing to do?

I'm rambling, but I'll go a bit further and state I think this drawn out process of reaching a decision has helped the nation as it sort of stunted any expectation of rioting based on election outcome. Maybe that still comes once a final decision is made. But, in the meantime, as this drags out, people see how close it was, it allows time to accept the possibility the other team won, to come to terms with 'it was close, but we just werent there'. I say that for BOTH parties. Likewise, I've heard of voter fraud, and suppression, and other election related concerns for many years. Maybe this exercise moves us closer to clarity, transparency, trust, going forward? We've seen it proven, the dead vote = fraud exists and voter rolls need to be purged. Courts can help determine if state practices should be viewed as legal = signatures don't match, mail in dates are wrong. All these things Trump is fighting, if they are real and proven then we can address them and improve our process. If they are fake news and just tantrum-like death throes, then perhaps we can regain confidence in the process as it is today and fraud is NOT there. Regardless of who wins, I see this prolonged process as helping us as a nation. Then again, maybe I'm wrong, and we see Biden win WITH no proof of fraud and that's still not accepted by enough of the right and we still get our riots. Or, Trump gets enough over turned and wins out and the left again fights to accept such a decision and we still get our riots. I don't know what happens. I just hope for the best because that's about all I can do at this point. Hope my nation heals and comes together. The only other positive decisions I can make are to NOT promote the violence or push unproven accusations, and likely retreat to my bubble of ignorance that I had before I tried to give a shit about politics.

Cause I suspect that in practice no amount of proof will be proof enough for most trump supporters here.

How's that worked out for Trump haters over the past four years? All that lack of proof hasn't really weakened their belief that he's corrupt or a bad president, has it? Though, if we're honest, the root of most of their anger still appears to be an emotional response to his un-presidential behaviour. Cancel culture at the highest position.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

And I'm sure society will be about to collapse for many more years to come.

Funny, I recall hearing such doom and gloom apocalypse predictions my entire life. None of them have come to fruition. This is how I suspect we'll survive 4y of Harris-Biden, and why I accept the climate is changing but honestly don't give a shit about any of what the Climate Change brigades preach is coming soon to a city near you nor what we should be doing about it.

 

[novaveritas]

If you tend towards hyperbole it undermines your supposed objective rationality, even if you do it by proxy by claiming everyone who disagrees with your world view must also be believers of a bunch of radical batshit theories, or are morons or both.

Objectively the corona doom virus is real, but a seriously under performing candidate for the end of times virus X, so both extreme views are equally invalid. The view that it doesn't exist is invalid, the view that it's a significant threat to everyone on planet Earth is invalid too.

It is often the case that the best place to hide a lie is between two truths. So there may be grains of truth in the most batshit of theories, by dismissing it all out of hand as conspiracy theory proffered by swivel eyed conspiracy theorists you are not rationally examining anything, instead you are projecting your own prejudice. Instead try and see whether it is worth panning for the grains of truth in the dirt. Making people dismiss everything that doesn't fit the mainstream propaganda narrative as conspiracy theory is an old and powerful disinformation weapon.

Trump didn't hijack anything, the craziness was always there and he tapped into it, If anything Trump caused the underlying craziness to be more visible and it is unfortunate that this disturbed some world views about the reality of a rules based order and rational behavior in general.
Crazy is funding a bunch of Islamist cavemen in Afghanistan to beat the Russians and not expecting some kind of blowback down the line.
Crazy is allowing banks to socialize their losses but privatize the profits and expecting them not to do it again and again.
Crazy is racking up immense debt that can never be repaid and very soon the interest cannot be serviced, the fabled Minsky moment.
Crazy is thinking giving everyone 1000 USD makes everyone richer, when all it does is move the zero point to 1000,

Those are all crazy and yet these things existed long before Trump the Alt right or whatever other label you want to attach to it. When the tide goes out you see who is naked, under Trump the tide went out a long way.

If you are smart enough to realize this is the truth, then don't stare into the abyss too long.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

so why did he do anything at all and not just say "covid is the states' problem"?

There is a clear distinction between the federal power of the Executive branch and the soverign rights and authority of the states. His job was to protect the nation (closed borders, int'l travel) and provide national leadership (get ventilators for states, provide support like with the navy medical ships, prioritize work on vaccines). The states, not the President (despite what someone is whispering in Joe's ear) are the ones that determine what social restrictions to roll out on the populace, how their hospitals should be stocked and prepared, whether masks are required or sick people should be sent into nursing homes with high risk citizens. There is a separation of authority and responsibility. We can argue Trump fumbled his part of it, either in words or actions (or likely both). But he never shirked the responsibility of the White House, and he never usurped that of the States. Somewhere, in all of this, the governors have a share of credit and blame that so far has gone largely unaddressed.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

@OpiateKiller what will you do if the states certify and the electoral college elects joe biden?

Turnabout,

what will you do if Trump does manage to get the votes overturned and the electoral college re-elects Trump?

Fair question for all of those so active in the Biden thread.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Just to level set where we're at right now:

(note EpochTimes is a right lean source)

 

[JessFR]

You have it backwards. All states have different deadlines for certification, but the last is Wisconsin on Dec 1. Then, the Electoral College meets Dec 14 to vote for President. Jan 6 is when joint Congress meet to count Electoral votes and declare a President. Inauguration, as most know, is Jan 20. FTR, there is no 'President Elect' until after the states have certified their ballots, at the soonest, despite how many times MSM refers to Biden as such.

No I'm talking about the congressional certification of the electoral college result. Not the state certification.

Also I don't recall anyone having a problem when Trump became president elect right after the election. Or anyone complaining about it not being up to the media. Or any of this nonsense we're pretending isn't unique to this election.

 

[JessFR]

Just to level set where we're at right now:

(note EpochTimes is a right lean source)

Lol, yeah keep dreaming. Filing a lawsuit with zero evidence doesn't change the result. Anyone can file lawsuits anywhere.

And soon enough the Trump fans will be calling the courts corrupt too when they rightly throw out 90% of this shit. The remaining 10% being too small to matter.

Turnabout,

what will you do if Trump does manage to get the votes overturned and the electoral college re-elects Trump?

Fair question for all of those so active in the Biden thread.

I live in the real world. Where the odds of that happening are pretty much zero.

Trump supporters can't seem to tolerate the real world so they imagine conspiracies to explain it not being how they'd prefer.

So lame, I mean can't tolerate the real world either but I don't need to believe in conspiracies. I have heroin for that.