Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[Deru]

I love CNN headlines.

They rip on trump so hard.

LOL! I just posted about this too!

With no audio available, they were golden.

 

[JessFR]

Unlikely. Once power is gone, it’s gone. His son is an ass. (Both of them.) I’d like to think people just humor the Trump kids because of who their daddy is, and that once he’s out they are out.

Maybe it’s wistful thinking, but my hope is that Trump’s cult of personality ends with his presidency, or at least that the presidency is the apex of his influence.

Plus I hope he’s prosecuted to the hilt for all of his corruption and malfeasance.

I fear is it wishful thinking.

While it'd be nice to get rid of trump, the cause of his rise to power hasn't been resolved. And it remains an existential threat to American democracy.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Once again, I can't believe what a percentage of the population is totally ignoring the president's attempts to throw out a bunch of the votes cast by American citizens. We always have mail-in ballots and they're always counted, it's just how it is. Yes, there are more thing time. So what? To throw away uncounted votes is straight up some authoritarian stuff. Fortunately we're not so gone as a society where that attempt actually worked, but we have a president who is trying to do it. So far it's been radio silence on that issue from Trump supporters. Can't imagine they would be silent about Biden doing that, or Obama. Why is it okay if Trump does it?

Yeah disgraceful, I don't get it from Trump, he should know it's over and it I think it's only hurting his '''stock''''.
I think the republican party is quite happy with this result, they seem to get the Senate? And people most likely won't like Harris in 4 years.

I fear is it wishful thinking.

While it'd be nice to get rid of trump, the cause of his rise to power hasn't been resolved. And it remains an existential threat to American democracy.

How are people with other opinions an 'existential threat to democracy'?
Like every republican voter is some evil, stupid man as they seem to be portrayed like in the media. I feel like your comment is regarding voters.... I've voted left all my life, but comments like this irk me, it's so much part of the reason why right wing and nationalist parties are growing all over the world, so arrogant.

 

[JessFR]

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How are people with other opinions an 'existential threat to democracy'?
Like every republican voter is some evil, stupid man as they seem to be portrayed like in the media. I feel like your comment is regarding voters.... I've voted left all my life, but comments like this irk me, it's so much part of the reason why right wing and nationalist parties are growing all over the world, so arrogant.

Are you kidding?

If nearly a majority of a society hold opinions that are undemocratic... How can that not be a danger to democracy?

If a large proportion of a society comes to hold the kind of nationalistic views that brought fascists to power throughout history, that's a danger to democracy.

We have a president who openly states he wants to stop all vote counting past election night, in spite of that going against how the system has always worked in the past. Who declares himself the winner on his own authority. Who deliberately tries to prevent early counting of mailed votes specifically so he can call them "illegal votes" later on.

These are all disgusting perversions of democracy and the American democratic system. And enough Americans don't care that he has almost been reelected.

That's a severe danger to the future of America as we know it.

And no, not every republican voter is part of the problem. There are many Republicans who see how trump has hijacked their party and perverted it to his own ends. There are also trump voters who genuinely don't realize the danger for whatever reason.

But yeah, a lot of trump voters are essentially traitors who have put a cult of personality ahead of their countries interests.

Trumpists are the problem. Not Republicans. I feel really bad for true Republicans. The ones who really believed in the conservative belief system the republican party used to represent. Cause they've basically had their whole party taken away and been left to vote either third party, which is useless. Or votes democratic, which doesn't represent them.

 

[BK38]

"Speaking earlier Thursday from the White House, Trump did not back up his claim about Democrats with any details or evidence. State and federal officials have not reported any instances of widespread voter fraud.

The ballot-counting process across the country has been running smoothly, and the count is ongoing in several battleground states."

Source: https://apnews.com/article/election...-governments-0ece596f97029ddcaae612e9929cf829


QED: Voter fraud has been extremely limited to non-existent. Trump is grasping at straws as far as I can tell.

 

[BK38]

LOL! I just posted about this too!

With no audio available, they were golden.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Are you kidding?

If nearly a majority of a society hold opinions that are undemocratic... How can that not be a danger to democracy?

If a large proportion of a society comes to hold the kind of nationalistic views that brought fascists to power throughout history, that's a danger to democracy.

We have a president who openly states he wants to stop all vote counting past election night, in spite of that going against how the system has always worked in the past. Who declares himself the winner on his own authority. Who deliberately tries to prevent early counting of mailed votes specifically so he can call them "illegal votes" later on.

These are all disgusting perversions of democracy and the American democratic system. And enough Americans don't care that he has almost been reelected.

That's a severe danger to the future of America as we know it.

And no, not every republican voter is part of the problem. There are many Republicans who see how trump has hijacked their party and perverted it to his own ends. There are also trump voters who genuinely don't realize the danger for whatever reason.

But yeah, a lot of trump voters are essentially traitors who have put a cult of personality ahead of their countries interests.

Trumpists are the problem. Not Republicans. I feel really bad for true Republicans. The ones who really believed in the conservative belief system the republican party used to represent. Cause they've basically had their whole party taken away and been left to vote either third party, which is useless. Or votes democratic, which doesn't represent them.

Lol, they didn't all vote for Trump doing this, the reasons they voted could be wildly different, and some of them even legit, even though it was quite obvious that a reelection wouldn't have been a good thing for America. I am not American, I know few Americans, but if I know anything about America it's that they hold the constitution above all, and I agree that it's beautiful in principle. I mostly think that Trump voters don't see what he's doing as that undemocratic, probably a mix between blind belief and social media founded delusions.

Yes what Trump is doing/did is disgraceful, many agree, but he isn't above the law, and let me tell you how it's gonna go: he's gonna make every appeal he's got, swing some arms around, and eventually he'll be told to fuck off by the Supreme Court and he'll be swept aside, and regular political life can continue. I'll come back to this when it eventually happens The the end of democracy stuff is so ridiculous man, Trump has got nothing to stand on, literally nothing, it'll never stand apart from with some hardcore trumpists.

Trumpist are a phase, created out of frustration by politicians and condescending behavior by media and people, I agree that they're misguided but I don't get how you don't get that what you're essentially calling half of the American population is sooo arrogant and counterproductive. Maybe look at how it ever got so far in the far in the first place and do something about it, and I guarantee that rhetoric like yours is a part of it.
In my country people have been laughing at nationalist parties and voters for as long as I live, not giving them space on TV, reporting biased on them, treating them like a joke, and every election we're so surprised that this 'fascist group' has grown by so much. But it's way too late for America, it seems politics are a part of everybodies identity now --> think the same as I do or gtfo.. I hope it never gets that far where I live.

 

[JessFR]

Lol, they didn't all vote for Trump doing this, the reasons they voted could be wildly different, and some of them even legit, even though it was quite obvious that a reelection wouldn't have been a good thing for America. I am not American, I know few Americans, but if I know anything about America it's that they hold the constitution above all, and I agree that it's beautiful in principle. I mostly think that Trump voters don't see what he's doing as that undemocratic, probably a mix between blind belief and social media founded delusions.

Yes what Trump is doing/did is disgraceful, many agree, but he isn't above the law, and let me tell you how it's gonna go: he's gonna make every appeal he's got, swing some arms around, and eventually he'll be told to fuck off by the Supreme Court and he'll be swept aside, and regular political life can continue. I'll come back to this when it eventually happens The the end of democracy stuff is so ridiculous man, Trump has got nothing to stand on, literally nothing, it'll never stand apart from with some hardcore trumpists.

Trumpist are a phase, created out of frustration by politicians and condescending behavior by media and people, I agree that they're misguided but I don't get how you don't get that what you're essentially calling half of the American population is sooo arrogant and counterproductive. Maybe look at how it ever got so far in the far in the first place and do something about it, and I guarantee that rhetoric like yours is a part of it.
In my country people have been laughing at nationalist parties and voters for as long as I live, not giving them space on TV, reporting biased on them, treating them like a joke, and every election we're so surprised that this 'fascist group' has grown by so much. But it's way too late for America, it seems politics are a part of everybodies identity now --> think the same as I do or gtfo.. I hope it never gets that far where I live.

The last big phase where nationalist and racist beliefs were allowed to be given serious weight, it ended with 70 million dead.

You're right though that there's plenty of blame to go around for how we got to this point. And the left is as much to blame as anything else.

 

[mal3volent]

 

[Anonymous Dissident]

I get what he's saying, but I'm not sure such attacks are going to do anything productive for the democratic process when coming from a main anchor of one of the primary US news outlets. Such attacks belong here on BL, not CNN. Can't we just say he's realizing that he's on the brink and not handling the pressure on him well? That's a bit more civil than Cooper's take IME. We just need Trump gone, not further angered and in a "burn it all down" mindset during his lame duck session, though I'm afraid there's nothing any of us can do about that particular scenario.

 

[Anonymous Dissident]

Once again, I can't believe what a percentage of the population is totally ignoring the president's attempts to throw out a bunch of the votes cast by American citizens. We always have mail-in ballots and they're always counted, it's just how it is. Yes, there are more thing time. So what? To throw away uncounted votes is straight up some authoritarian stuff. Fortunately we're not so gone as a society where that attempt actually worked, but we have a president who is trying to do it. So far it's been radio silence on that issue from Trump supporters. Can't imagine they would be silent about Biden doing that, or Obama. Why is it okay if Trump does it?

Exactly. Remember the 8 years the GOP spent screaming about executive overreach, presidential tyranny, and fiscal responsibility?!? It never ceases to amaze me just how unprincipled and hypocritical the GOP really is...

 

[JessFR]

Exactly. Remember the 8 years the GOP spent screaming about executive overreach, presidential tyranny, and fiscal responsibility?!? It never ceases to amaze me just how unprincipled and hypocritical the GOP really is...

Remember how it's wrong to appoint a court justice so close to an election.. Which is to say 8 months?

Republicans only care about executive overreach when it's coming for their guns (or more of the time, when they imagine it's coming for their guns). When it's stealing an election that's fine.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

As a non-American, I find it astonishing that the democratic party couldn't find a better candidate than Biden. There are more than 325 million people in the country and the democrats chose a guy with dementia?

Don't get me wrong. I don't like Trump either. Both candidates are awful.

 

[Anonymous Dissident]

As a non-American, I find it astonishing that the democratic party couldn't find a better candidate than Biden. There are more than 325 million people in the country and the democrats chose a guy with dementia?

Don't get me wrong. I don't like Trump either. Both candidates are awful.

Biden was definitely not my preferred candidate by a large margin. I was an avid Warren supporter and volunteer. I would have ended up supporting whoever the democratic though, Trump is just such an astonishing fuck up in almost every possible way and needs to get out of power before he does more serious damage to the country.

He has already done serious damage both at home and abroad, it will take us decades to regain the international standing that we had before him. Between dividing the populace as badly as it's been in at least a century, packing federal appeals courts all over the country with judges that are young, unqualified, right wing ideologues that's going to take decades to rectify, packed the supreme court with justices that do not in any way represent the majority of the population, pulled us out of the WHO, he has eroded our relationships with almost every ally we had globally and botched the CoVid outbreak worse than I imagined he even could; that's just a few examples of why he needs to go and as fast as possible, such malfeasance isn't sustainable.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I understand voting for Biden because he's not Trump, but there should be more reasons to vote for a president other than voting for someone else.

I'm not sure I agree with a lot of the reasons you cited that he has to go. From what I understand, he didn't pack any courts. Biden and Harris have been refusing to say whether or not they will pack the supreme court. Republican presidents always appoint republicans and democratic presidents always appoint democrats, don't they? As for whether or not they represent the majority of the country, the USA appears to be two opposite countries smushed together into one. Trump is going to lose, but the popular vote is pretty close again. There are more red states than blue states.

I don't think republicans are responsible for dividing the populace any more than democrats are. I see a lot of people on the left very vocally trashing people who voted for Trump and trashing Trump at every opportunity. This isn't exactly civil behavior and I don't see how it lends itself (in any way) towards unity in the united states. I don't think the right wing are making any efforts in that department either. From an outsiders perspective, the country has become increasingly divided over time and both sides are making it worse.

The COVID situation I wholeheartedly agree with you. The Trump administration fucked up and it directly resulted in the deaths of 200,000 people. But, Biden called him a racist for stopping flights from China early on...

 

[JessFR]

I understand voting for Biden because he's not Trump, but there should be more reasons to vote for a president other than voting for someone else.

Yes there should. Alas at this point there's little other choice.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

^Yeah, like I said, I get that. I feel sorry for you guys.
At least you won't have to put up with Trump until he runs again in 2024.

 

[JessFR]

The Trump administration fucked up and it directly resulted in the deaths of 200,000 people. But, Biden called him a racist for stopping flights from China early on...

That's kinda dubious. What Biden said was that response to covid need to be science and not xenophobia.

It's something of an assumption that that xenophobia is referring to the travel restrictions.

It might be an accurate assumption, but I haven't exactly seen proof of that. And it's still not the same as saying the travel restrictions were racist.

Even if he did though. Any credit trump gets for the travel restriction is long gone after repeatedly ignoring it and lying about it and in some cases making things worse than doing nothing. (remember the sudden spike in calls to poison hotlines and trumps brilliant ingesting cleaning products idea)

Again it basically comes down to "anyone else".

Biden would have to be a looot worse than he is for me to prefer Trump.

I was thinking today about how much I miss the days of Obama v McCain. I'd happily take either of them as president over trump.

 

[JessFR]

^Yeah, like I said, I get that. I feel sorry for you guys.
At least you won't have to put up with Trump until he runs again in 2024.

Assuming he doesn't stay in office. I'm still not ready to accept it. Even if Biden wins I'll still be waiting for him to try and somehow cheat.

What I feel bad for is the Republicans with integrity (yes I have it on good authority they exist). They've kinda lost their whole party.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

If you're concerned about the country being divided and you acknowledge that the left is just as responsible as the right, whey continue contributing to the division with broad statements about half the population of your country?

Republicans haven't lost their whole party. It's a close election. I don't even know what that means? From an outsiders perspective, your democratic party is in a state of disarray more than your republican party.

It's not possible to cheat. Unless Nevada flips with mail in votes, Trump lost. You don't have to keep holding your breath. He doesn't control elections. There is nothing he can do other than throw a little tantrum. Looks like he might even lose Pennsylvania and Georgia. Don't allow him to have any power over you. Rejoice. You won. It's over.